Steorn free energy

cooperguy

So who has heard about the Irish company who has announced they can create energy from nothing and break the known laws of physics at the same time!!! It was on the 9:00 news. Will it change the world or are they talking a load of arse??? www.steorn.com

Terry

steo.com wrote:

The Energy Project

In 2003 Steorn undertook a project to develop more efficient micro generators. Early into this project the company developed certain generator configurations that appeared to be over 100% efficient. Further investigation and development has led to the company’s current technology, a technology that produces free energy. The technology is patent pending.

Our Technology and the Laws of Physics

Steorn’s technology produces free, clean and constant energy. This provides a significant range of benefits, from the convenience of never having to refuel your car or recharge your mobile phone, to a genuine solution to the need for zero emission energy production. It also provides a secure supply of energy, since the components of the technology are readily available.

The technology is in a constant state of development. The company has focused for the past three years on increasing power output and the development of test systems that allow detailed analysis to be performed.

Steorn’s technology appears to violate the ‘Principle of the Conservation of Energy’, considered by many to be the most fundamental principle in our current understanding of the universe. This principle is stated simply as ‘energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change form’.

Steorn is making three claims for its technology:

1. The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%.
2. The operation of the technology (i.e. the creation of energy) is not derived from the degradation of its component parts.
3. There is no identifiable environmental source of the energy (as might be witnessed by a cooling of ambient air temperature).

The sum of these claims is that our technology creates free energy.

This represents a significant challenge to our current understanding of the universe and clearly such claims require independent validation from credible third parties. During 2005 Steorn embarked on a process of independent validation and approached a wide selection of academic institutions. The vast majority of these institutions refused to even look at the technology, however several did. Those who were prepared to complete testing have all confirmed our claims; however none will publicly go on record.

In early 2006 Steorn decided to seek validation from the scientific community in a more public forum, and as a result have published the challenge in The Economist. The company is seeking a jury of twelve qualified experimental physicists to define the tests required, the test centres to be used, monitor the analysis and then publish the results.

Steorn has decided to publish its challenge in The Economist because of the breadth of its readership. "We chose it over a purely scientific magazine simply because we want to make the general public aware that this process is about to commence and to generate public support, awareness, interest etc for what we are doing."

well, it's still unproven.
obviously looking for a few quid.

Karoma

In 2000, Boards.ie was founded. Early into this project Boards developed certain test-tube babies in the hope that they would become mod's. Some babies appeared to be over 100% efficient. They were killed.

fatherdougalmag

This represents a significant challenge to our current understanding of the universe

Boom boom.

Black Swan

Nothing from nothing is nothing.

Crucifix

I'm very skeptical about any free energy stuff. While old scientific ideas do get revised or thrown out, it just seems crazy for something to come along and do away with the conservation of energy.
So my opinion is either it's bullshit, or the energy is coming from somewhere.

cooperguy

I reckon its just a publicity stunt and in a month or two they'll announce that they've actually come up with a battery that works for 20 minutes longer than before.

Terry

well of course it comes from somewhere. the thing is, they are obviopusly keeping that under wraps until they have it patented.

JC 2K3

The idea of "free energy" has been around for years but has never been endorsed by an official body or proven.

N-Machine, anyone?

Crucifix

julep wrote:

well of course it comes from somewhere. the thing is, they are obviopusly keeping that under wraps until they have it patented.

The patent is linked on this thread.
I tried to read it but turns out it's a bit more complicated than the old N-machines so I got bored and gave up.

Terry

Crucifix wrote:

The patent is linked on this thread.
I tried to read it but turns out it's a bit more complicated than the old N-machines so I got bored and gave up.

steo.com wrote:

The technology is patent pending.

that's what i was talking about.

http://www.steorn.net/en/technology.aspx?p=5

fatherdougalmag

Probably steering it in the direction of the conspiracy theory forum but surely there's a vested interest in this kind of stuff not making it into the big time.

Ruu_Old

Re-opened by request, please continue if ye wish.

PaddyofNine

Check out this. (If it is true) - can't belive RTE fell for it!

Dooom

Karoma wrote:

In 2000, Boards.ie was founded. Early into this project Boards developed certain test-tube babies in the hope that they would become mod's. Some babies appeared to be over 100% efficient. They were killed.

Except for one...
Overpowering the execution squad, it broke through the perimeter defenses and escaped. Several execution squads were sent after it. One soldier returned, battered and bruised.
The only coherent thing he could say was: "A-a-am...am-am...AMP!!"

bounty

from steorns website back in march 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20010303074205/http://www.steorn.com/index.html

Steorn is a specialist service company providing programme management and technical assessment advice for European companies engaging in e-commerce projects.

Steorn aims to manage the risk and uncertainty associated with the technical implementation of e-commerce projects on behalf of its clients so as to deliver genuine benefits to them in terms of reliability, predictability and cost control.

Steorn has been formed by individuals with significant experience in this area who have recognised that there is an absence in the market of genuinely impartial and objective advice as to the best way of implementing e-commerce ideas.

Our vision is to grow to become the leading provider of such services, initially in Ireland but expanding to have a European presence in 2001. We hope to play our part in making the e-commerce revolution a reality.

the invention is not the product here, steorn is showcasing its ability to hype new technologies

kurisu

i suggest we remain open minded about this but if it is just a publicity stunt by steorn i believe we should be united in a boycott of steorn , there idea may be outlandish and hard to believe but its no different than claiming to have a cure for cancer or aids , there company deserves nothing less than anihilation if they are lying!

Wertz

99.8% likely to be cold fusion all over again.

0.2% likely that they have found the only way to break the energy conservation principle. Considering how quantum physics does not gel with many of the known principles of normal physics, it's just, just possible that there is some small loophole that this system exploits to create surplus energy (by what means I have no idea)


I agree with the suggestion of this being one of these marketing hype stunts to raise awareness of either a related product or recognition for skills in promoting an impossible product....wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that RTÉ would be daft enough to swallow the line and grant airtime to something that on the face of it, is completely outlandish.
Seriously, interviews with a small time state broadcaster but no thesis published in Nature? :rolleyes:

I hope it is true; the planet needs something like this. I'm prepared to eat hat, clothes, keyboard and anything else you can suggest, if it turns out to be at all true though...

lostexpectation

bounty wrote:

from steorns website back in march 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20010303074205/http://www.steorn.com/index.html




the invention is not the product here, steorn is showcasing its ability to hype new technologies

yeah but how does anyone skewer this, their promotion, not the generator.

Crucifix

Crucifix wrote:

So my opinion is either it's bullshit, or the energy is coming from somewhere.

If you look closely at the video on their website, you can see hamsters running in a wheel in the background.

Darragh29

Why don't these guys just publish the maths and processes of their discovery on their website??? They are apparently making it available to academics, there are loads of people out there with degrees in theoretical/experimental physics & engineering who could digest the materials for themselves. Its a bit frustrating listening to the company in question saying they have managed to do x,z and z and not having a clue how they claim to be able to do it...

Bam Bam

They can't publish it on their website for one simple reason. If it actually works the way they say, energy from nothing, it would be worth BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS.

Bear in mind though that before Steorn's technology only God couldd create something from nothing.

If its true, might we have found the secret of creation.

( TWILIGHT ZONE MUSIC )

Makes you think?

Ivan

PaddyofNine wrote:

Check out this. (If it is true) - can't belive RTE fell for it!

What exactly does this prove?

It seems like they are giving information about this company, but nothing that discredits their claims...

Or am I missing something?

Hobbes

Ivan wrote:

What exactly does this prove?

It seems like they are giving information about this company, but nothing that discredits their claims...

Or am I missing something?

The link was initially claiming that it was an XBox advert. Total crap was fixed up.

Edwardius

Wertz wrote:

Considering how quantum physics does not gel with many of the known principles of normal physics, it's just, just possible that there is some small loophole that this system exploits to create surplus energy (by what means I have no idea)

On average, over a macroscopic scale they do, hence being able to derive newton's 2nd law amongst other things from quantum mechanics.
Particles can be "created" and "destroyed" on a minute scale at high energies but this, in effect, is just a conversion of energy from one state (mass) to another and you're not pulling energy out of your ass (guess I'm trying to say it has to come from somewhere, given that the universe is a closed system. Also, thermodynamics is a pretty open and shut case). One of the problems is that, in the past, the scientific community has ridiculed various claims that have proven to be correct, which gives the claimants ammunition by playing the victim and implying that the scientific community is cynical and arrogant to anyone anyone that'll listen. Also, claiming that, in some way the scientific community reckon they fully understand all facets of the physical universe leads to all sorts of rubbish like "laws are made to be broken". It's bollocks and these frauds are going look pretty silly when their scam is busted.

Mickelodian

I think you guys have gone off over the web...revised your knowledge of the 'Conservation of Energy' laws and applied it to what this 'Private Company' have said.

From a semantic point of view they might be saying that the system they have designed (on paper) DOES use and LOSE energy consistant with the laws of thermodynamics but that they are planning on using the FREE energy we get from Gravity, sunlight and electromagnetic means. Combined these would certainly SEEM to produce more energy than they lose. Of course this is not the case as they would simply be converting from one form to another more useable form. eg Sunlight prviding heat turned to energy to turn a small motor with electromagnetic energy produced... FREE ENERGY ...well monitarily free! and it does not breech any law of the universe!

From our point of view as the general public knocking about buying items and technology we really couldn't give a rats arse what the actual sematics or science is behind it (well maybe I could but that's beside the point).

the point here is can they produce an item which requires NO input to any electrical source and will run for the lifetime of that product....and I don't mean the six month the battery might last!

Terry

you don't happen to work for steorn, do you?

Mickelodian

ehh.. no I don't. In fact I'd be in the Sceptic camp on the ole perpetual motion thing... That Why I suggest that what they 'say' and what they 'mean' are two different things!

Mickelodian

Darragh29 wrote:

Why don't these guys just publish the maths and processes of their discovery on their website???

This has to be the wisest suggestion in this entire debate. In fact if I invesnt a perpetual motion machine, A time machine or any other piece of Sci-fi kit I don't think I'd give a flying f*ck what the scientific community thought about it... If they wanted to test it they could line up like everyone else and buy it... at an extorionate price i might add... (obviously with the exception of the time machine... couldn't have too many people with access to that!)

Edwardius

Mickelodian wrote:

I think you guys have gone off over the web...revised your knowledge of the 'Conservation of Energy' laws and applied it to what this 'Private Company' have said.

Nah, the previous four years of a physics degree have seen to that...

Mickelodian wrote:

From a semantic point of view they might be saying that the system they have designed (on paper) DOES use and LOSE energy consistant with the laws of thermodynamics but that they are planning on using the FREE energy we get from Gravity, sunlight and electromagnetic means. Combined these would certainly SEEM to produce more energy than they lose. Of course this is not the case as they would simply be converting from one form to another more useable form. eg Sunlight prviding heat turned to energy to turn a small motor with electromagnetic energy produced... FREE ENERGY ...well monitarily free! and it does not breech any law of the universe!

Nope, the following is a quote from the wikipedia article for the company:

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy, [...] The energy isn't being converted from any other source such as the energy within the magnet. It's literally created. Once the technology operates it provides a constant stream of clean energy."

I think you'll agree it explicitly stated that energy is "created".

Mickelodian wrote:

From our point of view as the general public knocking about buying items and technology we really couldn't give a rats arse what the actual sematics or science is behind it (well maybe I could but that's beside the point).

What does that have to do with anything?

Mickelodian wrote:

the point here is can they produce an item which requires NO input to any electrical source and will run for the lifetime of that product....and I don't mean the six month the battery might last!

They haven't claimed to have made any sort of energy storage/retrieval, it's energy "creation", apparently. Still though, you gotta admire their neck!

Muggy Dev

Seeing is believing.

Mickelodian

Your right they did institute the idea that they were 'creationists' lol....
In that case it's total arse juice!

My point about the general public is that most people DON'T CARE what type of technology is used to create a product so long as it's better than what they use already... Most people I know have no idea how a microwave or mobile phone actually work...and do you know what...they don't care either... its all useless crap to them.

At €75 for a microwave and €150 for a decent mobile methinks folks just want something that works well at a low price. The difference between it running forever on one battery or having to be recharged twice per year would be irellivant to the consumer.

So most of our debate would be lost in the consumer rush EVEN IF this was just a hype for a LOW ENERGY USAGE mobile phone!

I get the feeling i might be on to something there too!

Mickelodian

Dead Ed wrote:

They haven't claimed to have made any sort of energy storage/retrieval, it's energy "creation", apparently.

Previously this company were involved in the design of kinetic energy mobile phone batteries... So if this is all hype... then this is where the hype might be leading us...!

Hobbes

Mickelodian wrote:

I think you guys have gone off over the web...revised your knowledge of the 'Conservation of Energy' laws and applied it to what this 'Private Company' have said.

Actually the company themselves have said they are breaking the laws of Thermodynamics. Also that the device gives back more then 100% energy put in.

If that was the case they wouldn't need an investor. All they would have to do is hook the machine up to the grid and then use the grid electrical energy and sell it back to the grid at a profit.

Wertz

Mickelodian wrote:

At €75 for a microwave and €150 for a decent mobile methinks folks just want something that works well at a low price. The difference between it running forever on one battery or having to be recharged twice per year would be irellivant to the consumer.

So most of our debate would be lost in the consumer rush EVEN IF this was just a hype for a LOW ENERGY USAGE mobile phone!

I get the feeling i might be on to something there too!

TBH at the point where energy becomes "free" I think you, I or the public at large could give a flying f*ck about chump change like mobile phone batteries....powering industry, homes and cars is a far more important utilistaion of this technology.

Mickelodian

At a 100% cashback..hehehe... the growth would be exponential.. today they buy €0.01 and sell back €0.02 worth... but since they can now buy tomorrows electricity at €0.02 and sell back the day after for €0.04 then the growth would be exponential in profits.

After a month it would be more than €10 million after a 3 months it would be billions of trillions in income... which would mean they would own the planet 1000's of times over after 1 year. After 1 year they would be producing more energy than the sun!

As i said... in such a case why would you need to have some guy in a white coat give you the thumbs up!

And this is why this is a load of codwallop.... think about it...who would need others to tell you something did or did not work if you discovered something that just worked! you'd go out and build it... and sell it (after patentiing it) and let the scientific community knock it all they liked!

Personnally I'd even agree with the skeptics sarcastically that it was all bunkem! But I'd be agreeing on the phone from my humoungous Island house in Tahiti!

Mickelodian

Wertz wrote:

TBH at the point where energy becomes "free" I think you, I or the public at large could give a flying f*ck about chump change like mobile phone batteries....powering industry, homes and cars is a far more important utilistaion of this technology.

I understand that ... but Steorn were already involved in Mobile phone battery research and you have to give an example I suppose... Probably could have chosen a better example though.

Still since its all total rubbish and hype...and since we're in imaginary land with fairies and the like... I'll have a time traveling spaceship please!

Fanny Cradock

A spokesman (possibly the MD) of this company was just on The Last Word (Today FM). I missed most of it, but as far as I could tell he unequivocally said that this will rewrite the laws of phisics and unambiguously stated that it was "free energy".

Wertz

Fanny Cradock wrote:

A spokesman (possibly the MD) of this company was just on The Last Word (Today FM). I missed most of it, but as far as I could tell he unequivocally said that this will rewrite the laws of phisics and unambiguously stated that it was "free energy".

Yep, heard the whole lot of the interview and that's how he came across...a lot of slagging coming in on the text line for the article

WizZard

Anyone got a recording of that interview?

Vorsprung

WizZard wrote:

Anyone got a recording of that interview?

Check here tomorrow

Bob the Builder

Never trust an invention until

1) you have proof
2) you have seen with *your* own eyes

This company produced neither, i'm not gonna belive it yet

cornbb

Their press release sounds like bullsh*t marketingspeak.

If such a revolutionary concept was actually developed, our whole oil-dependant global enconomy would be in chaos overnight.

Supercell

Nothing will come of nothing.

King Lear

Shakespeare was on to something..

Dave!

WizZard wrote:

Anyone got a recording of that interview?

Right-click, save-as: http://www.radioireland.ie/lastword/2182006-18.wmv

Starts about 15/16 minutes in. Listening now.

kevmy

Heard the interview and yer man said "it fell out of something else we were working on" IF this is the case and IF this thing works then these guys probably don't know how it works which is why they want to get the scientific backing. Also nobody will buy this if its not approved by the scientific as they will all assume like you and me that this is bull. So thats why the guys want the tests done.

What they probably got is something which looks like it creating energy but isn't. I think this because they've put themselves out there and will look like absolute idiots if they haven't got anything credible. Noone will want to work with them or trust them if they're just doing a PR stunt.

Anybody know this guy? Go to college with him? Previously work with him? If he's a history of tooling about then thats prob what he's doing here but if he's a credible then he may have something interesting. He's not got what he's claiming he's got thats obvious. However he may have a very efficent engine. 2nd law of thermodynamics essentially says you can't have 100% efficient engine. 3rd law says you can't get to absolute zero but you can get extremely close(down to picoKelvin at the moment i think) So they may have an engine that gets v close to an 100% efficeint engine.

IF thats what they got then it would still be a massive achievement. It will be interested to see what turns up though.

Jaden

http://www.steorn.net/en/coverage.html


See this:

Press Coverage
Steorn Announce "Free Energy" Technology

Irish company Steorn have announced a revoloutionary free energy technology. More
The Guardian | 1 April 2006

NOTE THE DATE.

End of story.

Crubeens

That interview is up as a file on its own, no need to go searching:

http://www.todayfm.com/Article.asp?id=233558

Thirdfox

I sincerely hope that this has not happened... unlimited energy = massive weapon. Humans shouldn't be trusted with that much power just yet (imagine everyone having a hydrogen bomb in their pocket!)

If this is true then the US army/terrorists will get hold of it and then

bullrunner

my take on it is this.....they've prob stumbled onto something...they think its something big.....and only way they can get the world to believe them is to get independent approval...then they can make all the free energy they want (as they will hold the patent) and make a killing!

If it is as big a thing as they claim to have it will have massive reprecussions for the world.

Edwardius

Thirdfox wrote:

I sincerely hope that this has not happened... unlimited energy = massive weapon. Humans shouldn't be trusted with that much power just yet (imagine everyone having a hydrogen bomb in their pocket!)

If this is true then the US army/terrorists will get hold of it and then

That's complete garbage. Besides the US army has enough goodies to blow the planet seven ways from the weekday of your choosing