Top 5 MMORPG on the Net

Deadlocked

1. WOW (duh)
2. Lineage
3. Lineage II
4.Runescape
5. FF XI

I don't know why RS is hated so much? Its getting extremely popular quick.

Course still nothing to WoW.


http://www.mmogchart.com/

Hellm0

I'm a little out of sync with MMORPG's these days, used to play UO and DAOC. Anyone any ideas as to the most popular PVP oriented game out these days? I really miss the stealth classes in daoc, nothing quite like stalking other players with the intention of killing them.

R0ot

WHERE THE FECK IS EVE ONLINE!??!!! :mad:

Kiith

R0ot wrote:

WHERE THE FECK IS EVE ONLINE!??!!! :mad:

the small yellow portion of the circle...but its definatly a case of quality, not quantity here.

Deadlocked

R0ot wrote:

WHERE THE FECK IS EVE ONLINE!??!!! :mad:

lol did you even look?

bizmark

R0ot wrote:

WHERE THE FECK IS EVE ONLINE!??!!! :mad:

eve is small 1% but **** who wants to be a god damn elf

OSiriS

Hellm0 wrote:

I'm a little out of sync with MMORPG's these days, used to play UO and DAOC. Anyone any ideas as to the most popular PVP oriented game out these days? I really miss the stealth classes in daoc, nothing quite like stalking other players with the intention of killing them.

There isn't one at the moment. WoW might be the closest, but it's pvp system is very poor compared to daoc. There is also Guild Wars, but it's pvp is arena teamplay. The next big pvp mmorpg on the horizon will be Warhammer Online. While I haven't really been following development too closely I'm not sure you shoud count on there being stealth anything like there was in DAOC, mythic has known for years their implementation in DAOC was flawed so is unlikely to make the same mistakes again.

bizmark

Hellm0 wrote:

I'm a little out of sync with MMORPG's these days, used to play UO and DAOC. Anyone any ideas as to the most popular PVP oriented game out these days? I really miss the stealth classes in daoc, nothing quite like stalking other players with the intention of killing them.

Eve online is very pvp centered you can go live in 0.0 where any ship can be attacked or can attack you and also you could train to use stelth bombers or force recon ships for sneaky stuff

Hellm0

OSiriS wrote:

mythic has known for years their implementation in DAOC was flawed so is unlikely to make the same mistakes again.

It was flawed? The stealth classes were amongst the most fun to play, if only on PvP server. I never really liked them on the other servers, I preffered good old one on one combat(Ie me knocking seven shades of **** out of some cloth wearing elf)

zekiel

Runescape -> why? 6% is shocking to see and I'm also surprised at everquest still holding 1.6%...

Deadlocked

zekiel wrote:

Runescape -> why? 6% is shocking to see and I'm also surprised at everquest still holding 1.6%...

grr..... Runescape is good!

Kiith

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

:eek: I didn't realise WoW had that much of a market lead, more than every other MMORPG combined. Crazy.

it does have over 6 million current subscribers...bloody hell, thats alot of cash. say...
[Maths]
6 million people buy the game = 6000000 * 30 (roughly)
6 million people pay 12.99 a month = 6000000 * 12.99 (again, roughly)
[/Maths]

thats 210 millions from the game sales, and roughly 985 million every year from subscribers....holy ****.

Memnoch

As far as upcoming PvP MMO's go Warhammer Online is definately one to watch, however with EA recently buying Mythic, my hopes for this game have gone down a few notches.

The other game i'm keeping an eye on is DarkFall Online. True PvP freedom. If the developers manage to pull off half of what they promise then this game will rock the house. Some of the main features...

Player built cities that can be sieged and conquered.
Mounted combat.
Naval warfare. Pilot huge ships and engage other ships at sea. Board the enemy ships and if you kill them all you can keep the ship for yourself.
Entirely hand-crafted world.
Control of world recources to produce weapons and armor
Full loot but items are easily obtainable.
Strategic combat affected by the terrain and realistic weather effects.
Skill based.

This is only the tip of the iceberg. It really is looking to be a great game and some of the recent screenshots look very nice. I'm certainly keeping an eye on it and will probably be trying it when it comes out.

Ivan

Allieluha, sing it brother

I seem to remember you mentioning this game a long while ago, and me having a similar reaction

Sounds fantastic, cant wait.
/me awaits with bated breath.

Memnoch

Yeah, the game has been very long in development, and I've been following it for a few years now. Thankfully it seems to be one where the developers kept going and growing as a company and didn't turn into vapor ware. There was a short time where nothing new was coming out and there was little new info as they were in the middle of their dev cycle. It was a bad time to be a DF fan

But things are much better now with weekly updates, screen shots and what not. Which leads most of us to believe that they are nearing closed beta at the very least in the upcoming months, though you're still looking at a release next summer probably but who knows.

I'll keep you guys updated if any new big news comes out but meanwhile u can check out the weekly updates from their forums on www.darkfallonline.com

BlitzKrieg

what do you think is the main reason for the WOW success?

Brand, quality, support?

jaggeh

BlitzKrieg wrote:

what do you think is the main reason for the WOW success?

Brand, quality, support?

people with double digit IQ's can play it without their brow getting sweaty.

<edit> oh and its looks purdy or something

Ivan

I think brand and accessibility is the reason for its success, its quality and support need alot to be desired but then, that could be due to its success.

Also, there is the competition. As much as people like to harp on about their favourite there are serious flaws with every mmorpg out there, it just so happens that WoW's ones are less important to the majority of people.

BlitzKrieg

had a look at that upcoming pirates mmo...man i want a bit of that action.


*though i still wait for a proper ww2 battleship/carrier/u-boat mmo (i know there's one out there but its not that great).

Memnoch

I looked at the pirate MMO, but it honestly seems too carebear to provide any real thrill. It looks like it's PvP is gonna be very "wow like". Darkfall will have everything it has and more :P

DEmeant0r

tbh, I like the PVP in EQ2 alot, sure there's some flaws in the system since EQ2 wasn't a pvp centric game at first, but damn it's addictive. I could never ever say that about the pvp in WoW, especially after they implemented the honor system.

Trojan

Why so popular? Ask the data source:

MMOGCHART.COM wrote:

Starting with the release of World of Warcraft, everything we thought we knew about the size of the market changed. Not only was World of Warcraft a success, but also it far outstripped any other subscription-based MMOG to date, and surpassed even the loftiest of expectations. While the majority of WoW’s subscribers are in China, it now has over 1 million in Europe and probably somewhere between 1.5 and 2 million in North America, making it a true market phenomenon. A good deal of WoW’s success comes for the Blizzard brand, which brought in a lot of new gamers into the market who had never subscribed to an MMOG before, but the came also set a new bar for the amount of content, ease of use, and level of polish expected from a top-tier MMOG title. WoW’s expected market rival, SOE’s EverQuest II, never really achieved the same level of market acceptance. The impact of WoW has been felt on almost all existing MMOG titles, most notably Dark Age of Camelot, EverQuest, and Lineage I and II.

WTF_L2P_n00b

Have you seen the latest WHO screenshots, it is indistinguishable from WoW.

OSiriS

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/screenshots/full/SS_0706_09.jpg

Yes very wow like :rolleyes:

WTF_L2P_n00b

Have a look at this gameplay snippet and tell me how it is any different to WoW FFS.

http://mmorpg.qj.net/It-s-WarHAMMER-not-WarCRAFT-ya-Geddit-/pg/49/aid/63796

BlackWizard

Hopefully Conan will do well. It seems to have everything you would want in a MMO
but Ive yet to hear about what teaming and communication is like.

OSiriS

The only thing that looks similar is the UI. Blizzard don't have the patent on that UI, they adopted it as an evolution of every other UI that has come before it. More people will be familiar with it seeing as WoW is the dominant MMORPG atm which may be why blizzard chose to use a similar design. The game graphics aren't very similar, WoW goes for cartoony images, while Warhammer is grittier. If you want to point the fingers at who is ripping off whom, go look at the artwork the games workshop produced long before blizzard was ever formed.

WTF_L2P_n00b

Same UI, slightly grittier Grpahics......hmmmm

Point is it must distinguish itself from WoW to succeed, and at the moment it doesn't.

I also doubt Mystic / EA's ability to deliver a working infrastructure........Blizz had years of MMORPG experience and now has 3 years of running PTS and live WoW servers and still can't get it right half the time, what chance does EA have?

We shall see, but too many people view WHO as the holy grail of the genre, when the odds are actually stacked well against it ever succeeding.....

.....I live in hope, but prepare to be deeply dissappointed.

Re: the GW v's Blizz who ripped who off comment......I would say that they have each taken influence from each other to reach where they are today.

Ivan

Errr... how exactly did Blizzard have experience with MMORPG's long before WoW? Ok, maybe you could, if you were desperate, lump Diablo/Diablo 2 into that category, but I really wouldnt. First of all, it only handled 8 simultaneous connections and there are huge differences between the amount of data stored about a Diablo 2 character, compared to a WoW character.

As for Mythic/EA, the most important factor here is money. EA have lots of it, they look at WoW and realise the potential for money in a popular MMORPG. They realise the potential for WHO to be popular (or they would never have bought it) and they already have lots of money. Money is what makes things go around and EA have plenty of it to throw at WHO.

Blizzard was relatively small when they first launched WoW and that changed very quickly. As for any difficulties they have with server/maintenance/management that goes hand-in-hand with the sheer size of this and many other MMORPG's.

So then, the only reason WHO is seen as the holy grail of the genre, is because WoW isnt.

WoW is fun, its involving and its entertaining. But its also incredibly boring. The PvP is ridiculously simplistic, the character development/seperation/differences, whatever you want to call it, are non-existent. The game world is all the same (go here, get this, come back. Kill X of Y, etc. etc.).

WHO promises to change all that and even if it doesnt, it will be new and shiny and that alone will be worth several thousand customers...

OSiriS

WTF_L2P_n00b wrote:

Re: the GW v's Blizz who ripped who off comment......I would say that they have each taken influence from each other to reach where they are today.

Have you any examples of how the games workshop have been influenced by blizzard?

Mythic has much more experience of running MMORPGs than blizzard do.

Fanny Cradock

Excuse my ignorance, but aren't all MMORPG more or less the same?


Any that I've played (mostly free) involve tedious children with a level 7800 battle mage (or some such) saying things like "fagot" or you "noob" as they kill you, endless killing of mosters to level up to face the next set of monsters that, although bigger, are basically the same.

Lemming

Memnoch wrote:

As far as upcoming PvP MMO's go Warhammer Online is definately one to watch, however with EA recently buying Mythic, my hopes for this game have gone down a few notches.

Indeed, I seriously hope that they pull this one off. If they can capture the very dark atmosphere that Warhammer has, the game will take a giant D.U.M.P. all over WOW, and WOW will smile politely and ask for more.

Ivan

Fanny Cradock wrote:

Excuse my ignorance, but aren't all MMORPG more or less the same?


Any that I've played (mostly free) involve tedious children with a level 7800 battle mage (or some such) saying things like "fagot" or you "noob" as they kill you, endless killing of mosters to level up to face the next set of monsters that, although bigger, are basically the same.

Yes, clearly we're all a bunch of tedious children and all MMORPG's are the same.
It begs the question then, what are you doing here you 'fag0t noob'.

Please, blatant trollism or sheer ignorance? The variety amongst MMORPG's is so large that they even let Sony and EA make ones...

Now, begone pest, back to your Fifa '06 game and trouble us no more

Deadlocked

Ivan wrote:

Yes, clearly we're all a bunch of tedious children and all MMORPG's are the same.
It begs the question then, what are you doing here you 'fag0t noob'.

Please, blatant trollism or sheer ignorance? The variety amongst MMORPG's is so large that they even let Sony and EA make ones...

Now, begone pest, back to your Fifa '06 game and trouble us no more

*Smiles*

Some1

As a Runescape player (one and a half years of my life wasted), I think Runescape is so sucessful because it has a free part of the game and that hooks you on to it untill you finally realise that you should go out more often and get some sunlight but that's enough of my problums....

So all in all it's a great game but don't juge it by the free part or you'll think the game is made up of a load of 9 year olds that think there cool saying "OMFG IZ GONNA HAXXORZ J00!!!!!!"

(I'm trying soooo hard not to make this look like an ad )

DarthWraak

Ohh, Ive tried Runescape. Got bored after 5 minutes. But dont take my word for it as Im more of an action game player. But chopping down a tree for firewood...... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING


GWAN The oversized weaponary in Planetside

Joseph

Where is GW?

Fanny Cradock

Ivan wrote:

Yes, clearly we're all a bunch of tedious children and all MMORPG's are the same.
It begs the question then, what are you doing here you 'fag0t noob'.

Please, blatant trollism or sheer ignorance? The variety amongst MMORPG's is so large that they even let Sony and EA make ones...

Now, begone pest, back to your Fifa '06 game and trouble us no more

genuine question, ignorant answer.

if you read my post (and read your unnecessarily vitriolic retort) you would see that.

Ivan

Fanny Cradock wrote:

genuine question, ignorant answer.

if you read my post (and read your unnecessarily vitriolic retort) you would see that.

How's this then?

Fanny Cradock wrote:

Excuse my ignorance, but aren't all MMORPG more or less the same?

This sentence does not alone forgive your ignorance when you then go on to further and blatantly compound on it. Instead of asking a question, or at the very least asking a question which is hidden beneath an array of myths, fallacys and blatant misinterpretations, you basically call the users of this forum a bunch of

Fanny Cradock wrote:

tedious children with a level 7800 battle mage (or some such) saying things like "fagot" or you "noob" as they kill you

I really wouldnt mind this attitude and would instead take the oppurtunity to educate you, however you then go on to sum up the vast complexity of many of my beloved MMORPG's with the simple phrase

Fanny Cradock wrote:

endless killing of mosters to level up to face the next set of monsters that, although bigger, are basically the same.

All the while confessing that these opinions are based on

Fanny Cradock wrote:

Any that I've played (mostly free)

free mmorpg's, of which (any that I can think of), are browser based, are in korean or are just crap.

Now, with all of that said, I do realise I was incredibly hostile and arrogant, (not to be mistaken for ignorance) however you have to see it from my perspective. This is a thread about the best MMORPG's, on a forum dedicated to MMORPG's. You then come on and in not so many words, you claim all MMORPG's are the same and as such are all crap.

I'd love to hear your response to that from my perspective

P.s. for the record, no, not all MMORPG's are the same. They are not all played by tedious children. Not all of them involve player versus. player killing and not all involve player vs. monster killing. If you would like to be further educated, feel free to start your own thread and employ those clearly developed english skills and the rest of us would be delighted to continue the lesson.

Holsten

Hope SOE are happy with what their changes have done to SWG, they now have a whole 1.4%!

Fanny Cradock

Ivan wrote:

for the record, no, not all MMORPG's are the same. They are not all played by tedious children. Not all of them involve player versus. player killing and not all involve player vs. monster killing.

Thanks for answering my question!

Possibly you picked up the tone of my question wrong. That's the only reason I can think of think for your farcical hissy-fit and hilariously cliquish FIFA ‘06 comment.

I've played 4 MMORPS games in my time: Lineage 2; Navyfield; Fly for Fun; and Knight Online, none of these were browser based. My personal experience of them was that there was a high percenmtage of kids playing. At no time did I say they were solely played by children. Again, in the games I played, there appeared to be a huge amount of repetition and unyielding targeting of weaker/newer players.

Maybe you should refrain from attacking someone who was asking a genuine question. It's not like I called your mother a whore or anything. Relax. I would think that you would take the time to correct me rather than insulting me for my lack of exposure to your "beloved MMORPG's". In the time that it took you to write your previous polemic you could have answered my question and that would have been that.

If I insulted your beloved computer games, I'm sorry. But to attempt to offend me because YOU misinterpreted my post is uncalled for.

melekalikimaka

fly for fun lol... i thought it had potential....looked very rose online sadly it was tripe

Fanny Cradock

So did I

Ivan

Again you come across as condescending while "trying" to make your point though I noticed you subtley avoided mine... But please, dont flatter yourself, I never intended to offend you, I merely desired to humorously mocking your blatant ignorance, in an effort to bring some sort of humour to those who would come looking to this thread for a discussion between their peers and find only your nonsensical ramblings.

Oh and I quite enjoy Fifa 2003, though I imagine that irony is lost on you. However, I did play Lineage 2 during beta and all I can say is its utter shíte... no wonder you have such a narrow view of MMORPG's.

Still to each their own, eh?

Fanny Cradock

Ivan wrote:

I never intended to offend you,

Well, as far as I can be insulted when talking about computer games, you did cause offence. You admitted as much yourself:
"I do realise I was incredibly hostile and arrogant"

I had a reply typed in response to your last post, but there is really no point in arguing. Accept my apology for any offence I inadvertently caused (I didn't realise that it was such a touchy subject) and we'll leave it at that, Ivan.

Ivan

Realising after the fact that i was hostile and arrogant is different from realising before the fact.

But ok, I accept your apology.

Fanny Cradock

Hallelujah!

Lets never fight again, Ivan.

Memnoch

get a room..

sadly he is right, MOST mmorpgs are the same..

endless grind of killing x monsters to get y level, wow expanded well on this theme, but there are games out there that do offer nice variety and a true game play challenge, DAOC did it with it's RvR, EVE is quite good also, even WoW has it's moments, hopefully some of the upcoming ones will bring new innovation to the genre...

but look at most foot ball games or beat em ups or RTS games, you could say they are all the same pretty much...

that's the whole point of having a genre of games so it's not like you were making some kind of divine deduction.

Magill

most MMO's are the same tho..... and although the likes of lineage and everquest were good when they first arrived, they just look very dated and boring compared to WOW. for the newbie in the MMO scene, wow is such a good game, so much to do and so much to achieve, from getting to lvl 40 and riding on a mount for the first time to receiving ur first epic drop or attending ur first 40 man raid. i think the reason wow is so big is that the game gets better the more you play and as some ppl say the adventure only begins when u reach lvl 60 ( depending on ur experience can take several months to reach)

Warhammer looks very much like wow with slightly ****tier looking orcs and poor looking armor and weapons, i think BC will only further increase the amount of ppl that play wow.


HUXLEY, i think this is a game to look out for, FPS MMO ftw ! if the game runs smooth it could be awesome !

IgsTer

ye a mmo fps game would be lethal wouldnt it..imagine like having huge maps..like the film saving private ryan, and every one has there soldier that either storms the beach,jumps out of planes and parachutes behind battery guns..some drop over night before battle..some drive planes and helicopters and boats..some special ones have different objectives etc..be lethal

BigEejit

Magill wrote:

HUXLEY, i think this is a game to look out for, FPS MMO ftw ! if the game runs smooth it could be awesome !

FPS mmo ... like Planetside? ... play that for free and still have good fun