UK Terror Attacks?

connundrum

Taken from rte.ie

Widespread disruption to flights in and out of British airports is expected following a major security alert.

British anti-terrorist police say they have disrupted a plot to blow up aircraft in mid-flight and have arrested up to 18 people. No hand luggage is being permitted onto aircraft cabins.

It is alleged the aim was to detonate devices smuggled on board aircraft in hand luggage flying to the United States.

The emergency will affect flight schedules and result in cancellations.

Aer Lingus has said that London's Heathrow Airport has been closed to all short haul flights, including those from Ireland.

The airline has recommended that passengers cancel all non-essential travel to British airports. It has set up a telephone service for passengers affected by this morning's disruption. The number is 0818 365 044.

Flight delays at Belfast City, Belfast International and Derry City airports are currently running between one and two hours.

The United States has meanwhile raised its security threat level to 'severe' in response to the alert.

More unnecessary delays? Anyone with any other info?

gandalf

Theres a thread running in Politics on this.

Pretty scary.They are making you drink all liquids going onto the plane.They suspected that explosive wass going chemicals mixed as a liquid.Ifyou are bringing breast milk for you r baby.You will have to taste it.(eugh)

Only essential documents allowed on plane and you must carry them in a single small bag preferably clear.

cianr

Heathrow is now closed until at least 3pm, only flights already airborne are being allowed in. I read on another site that the suspects had booked consecutive flights on American owned airlines out of Heathrow, Gatwick, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow.

Dragan

connundrum wrote:

More unnecessary delays? Anyone with any other info?

I am unsure if i would term them as "unnecessary". I would rather be delayed than be blown up.

pclancy

Ditto.

Hopefully nothing happens now its been thwarted.

Bluetonic

It important to note that apparently there is no evidence that something was actually planned for today. It's just that something was planned in general, and the reason for the tightened sucurity today is incase a backup plan of attack has been put into action on news of the arrests.

skywalker

Dragan wrote:

I am unsure if i would term them as "unnecessary". I would rather be delayed than be blown up.

Dragans right there connundrum, It was probably a throwaway comment but their definitely not "unnecessary".

Bluetonic wrote:

It important to note that apparently there is no evidence that something was actually planned for today. It's just that something was planned in general, and the reason for the tightened sucurity today is incase a backup plan of attack has been put into action on news of the arrests.

Were people arrested at the airports or in their homes?

EWheelChair

I hate these extremist fcukers and i'm starting to hate the people they come from.

The fcukers are making me racist.

Dragan

Bluetonic wrote:

It important to note that apparently there is no evidence that something was actually planned for today. It's just that something was planned in general, and the reason for the tightened sucurity today is incase a backup plan of attack has been put into action on news of the arrests.

Indeed, but can you imagine the backlash if they did not close down flights and airports and something happened???

With issues like this i respect the "better safe than sorry" attitude.

connundrum

Dragan wrote:

I am unsure if i would term them as "unnecessary". I would rather be delayed than be blown up.

My apologies, it was simply a throw away comment. Obviously human safety is paramount.

EWheelChair

EWheelChair wrote:

I hate these extremist fcukers and i'm starting to hate the people they come from.
.

So you hate their mothers?

Dragan

Deleted User wrote:

So you hate their mothers?

At the risk of stirring the pot and appearing to be somewhat racist....which i like to believe that i am not and i have many friends from many countries and cultures i could not help but grow annoyed the other day as i watched a show on T.V about one particular culture who are present in the UK.

On this show, many of the people from this group who were interviewed said they did not like the country and they did not like the way it was run, the way the laws worked or the way the "local" people lived.

If this is the case then why are they living there????

I believe it is a pretty basic and simple point that if you do not like where you are living the leave....or shut up and try and make it better through the proper channels.

Bluetonic

skywalker wrote:

Were people arrested at the airports or in their homes?

I can't confirm where they were arrested but it wasn't in any airports, so it was most likely in their homes, the Police are saying The Thames Valley area and central London is the area the arrests were made.

county

Deleted User wrote:

Pretty scary.They are making you drink all liquids going onto the plane.They suspected that explosive wass going chemicals mixed as a liquid.


very true,i fly to the states from heathrow in a few weeks,its quite worrying

scojones

Thread re-opened as the thread in Politics is getting too 'political' for some AH heads.

Feral Mutant

I'm flying to the US tomorrow, just hope they let me on with my mp3 player. Apparently over in England the only hand luggage you can take on board is medication, baby food/milk (which must be tasted), passport and some other stuff I'm forgetting all in a clear plastic bag.

skywalker

I wonder how their handling the likes of insulin etc? you cant exactly make a diabetic test that.

From what I hear water is being allowed on planes now, but thats the only concession made from earlier.


Thanks to the friendly neighbourhood mods for reopening the thread, politics can be a real head melter at times.

scojones

Feral Mutant wrote:

I'm flying to the US tomorrow, just hope they let me on with my mp3 player. Apparently over in England the only hand luggage you can take on board is medication, baby food/milk (which must be tasted), passport and some other stuff I'm forgetting all in a clear plastic bag.

From here? Hmm I'm not too sure. If you were flying from England you definitely couldn't bring it on as hand luggage.

Ciaran500

Well the US have the same measures in place as the UK do now, so they might be looking for everyone flying in to use them aswell. Best bet is to call the airline.

skywalker

Feral Mutant wrote:

I'm flying to the US tomorrow, just hope they let me on with my mp3 player. Apparently over in England the only hand luggage you can take on board is medication, baby food/milk (which must be tasted), passport and some other stuff I'm forgetting all in a clear plastic bag.

If the situation hasnt become clear by then Id imagine the best thing to do would be give the airline a ring in the morning and ask em. Wouldnt be surprised if they say no though.

Ruu_Old

Feral Mutant wrote:

I'm flying to the US tomorrow, just hope they let me on with my mp3 player. Apparently over in England the only hand luggage you can take on board is medication, baby food/milk (which must be tasted), passport and some other stuff I'm forgetting all in a clear plastic bag.

Are you flying direct or going through Heathrow?

Feral Mutant

Going directly from Dublin so should be fine.

johnp

We had one of our sales guys come over from the UK this morning. The only hand luggage he was allowed take on board was his passport. As mentioned above I'm sure there are concessions, but I've no idea what they are.

He arrived into our office with no laptop, luggage or wallet (had to put that in his luggage :eek:). He hasn't got them back yet.

jum4

from http://www.aerlingus.com

Travel to/from the USA
The Department of Homeland Security has advised additional security measures effective from today.

On instruction from the Transportation Security Administration, Aer Lingus advises customers that no liquids or gels are permitted to enter through the screening checkpoint nor purchased inside the security area, are to be to taken on board:

The only exceptions are,

Baby formula, breast milk, or juice if a baby of small child is travelling.
Prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger's ticket.
Insulin and essential other non-prescription medicines.
Passengers should avoid or keep to a minimum any carry-on bags in order to expedite the screening process.

For information on our flights to/from Ireland and the UK, please check Arrival & Departure Information.

For customers travelling onward to the UK Aer Lingus flights are all operating on schedule from 1500 today (Thurs 10th Aug). Passengers should check-in as normal.

Black Swan

The USA is having mid-term national elections in November. I would expect that more things of this sort might happen between now and then, but who knows?

Piste

I have a friend who was flying from Heathrow to Boston today .(or maybe it was last night, I can't remember whether the times she told me were GMT or not) She's safely at home, but all her luggage is still in Heathrow which she's pretty pissed about.

lazylad

I think its f**kin sick all this sh*te!! I had to get a connection flight to New york in heathrow a while back and was ages delayed. I missed a flight and had to with american airlines. To think those f*kin extremist b*astards were trying to blow up planes makes my stomach sick!!! I think the uk intelligence was great to have caught these c*nts!!! There are loads of just average people waiting to get to work the next day on these flights and these low lifes just trying to blow them up when they are probably trying to sleep next to sum *****r who wants you to pull the blind down and is always asleep when you want to piss!! The duty free in america is handed to you at the gate before you get on would that, are they stopping duty free now?? you can only get that on non eu flights.
I hope them extremist f*cks are tortured so bad for months and shown its wrong to blow up planes morally. sick twisted F*KS.
who cares about racist. Why be politically correct when a specific group are targetting your own people??? Thats boll*x

iguana

EWheelChair wrote:

I hate these extremist fcukers and i'm starting to hate the people they come from.

The fcukers are making me racist.

But isn't that the point.

A small number of extremists commit mass murder. More westerners start to to form bad opinions of the entire muslim community. More muslims feel disenfranchised and become easier to manipulate into extremist mass murderers.

More extremists commit mass murder. More westerners start to form more bad opinions about the entire muslim community. Even more muslims feel disenfranchised and become easier to manipulate into extremist mass murderers.

And on, and on, and on.:(

lazylad

To make it worse, i was in heathrow getting a flight home and there was a women in one of them robes where you cant see their face, she was muslim, and she had a different accent and she had a fresh, irish passport getting on the dublin plane. I hope they don't come here!! Im serious, Ireland to Irish, no arguments.

Collie D

Fair point, iguana. But where are the leaders to condemn the terrorist attacks? When the IRA were bombing the **** out of London, the vast majority of Irish politicians and people stood up and said that these scum do not represent us. Why can't the heads of the mosques and the ordinary Muslim punters do this too? They go on about being alienated and disenfranchised. I'm sure a lot of other ethnic groups both in Ireland and the UK feel isolated or alienated but you don't see Poles or Latvians or whatever blowing up innocent people who are just trying to go to work on the Tube.

lazylad

who cares, there was history with us and the uk. them extremists would not care if they destroyed uk, ireland all of europe and north america. what did the ira do? only bomb england because they took ireland over and invaded us. The muslim extremists are acting like a cancer they would like to destroy all countries, yet ira only england. Do you see the difference??? If you were in their country no matter how much you defended them, some of them might hate you and kill you, takes a very special person to understand their individuality in that case.
there was some wierdo muslim lad who was on the paper a while back, he was taking trips from shannon airport to england to see what the security was like. The intelligence found him plotting a hijack where he would crash the plane into sellafield. In that case its bye bye collieD. Now, stick with your own type, not defend them! Some musilms are sound, but you don't defend them, when they could have killed loads of innocent people. They could have detonated the plane over ireland and it would be another lockerbie like disaster in ireland also. The american flights go over wexford, waterford, cork and kerry. and most other counties i reckon depending on the flight. what did ireland do to muslim to deserve that???

Collie D

lazylad wrote:

Do you see the difference???

Actually, I don't see a difference, both killed innocent people. There's a history been us and the England? They still control Scotland, can't remember the last time a Scotsman blew up a pub in Birmingham. History is exactly that, history

lazylad

this is not about ira terror , and this issue affects ireland also. and don#t comment on lithanians not causing problems in tubes, they had the wars where they were too and you are not there and you are not in russia so you can't comment on their behaviour. Talk to some russians and lithuanians about the baltic wars. The russians killed a lot of them etc etc etc. It was like ireland and uk being russia the superpower so lithuania and latvia gained independence. Im not too educated on that so im open for education from other posters.
Remember bosnian war, you don't see any of them blowing up planes either! don't come out with all that ****e about not being discriminative, no race is perfect yet don't shine particularly on the ira. The communists were ba*steds and raped women for no reason when they took over many places. The IRA weren#t that savage, Im not defending them but educate yourself on other european cultures first!

Collie D

lazylad wrote:

this is not about ira terror , and this issue affects ireland also. and don#t comment on lithanians not causing problems in tubes, they had the wars where they were too and you are not there and you are not in russia so you can't comment on their behaviour. Talk to some russians and lithuanians about the baltic wars. The russians killed a lot of them etc etc etc. It was like ireland and uk being russia the superpower so lithuania and latvia gained independence. Im not too educated on that so im open for education from other posters.
Remember bosnian war, you don't see any of them blowing up planes either! don't come out with all that ****e about not being discriminative, no race is perfect yet don't shine particularly on the ira. The communists were ba*steds and raped women for no reason when they took over many places. The IRA weren#t that savage, Im not defending them but educate yourself on other european cultures first!

Try and read my posts before you start commenting on them!

Call Me Jimmy

iguana wrote:

But isn't that the point.

A small number of extremists commit mass murder. More westerners start to to form bad opinions of the entire muslim community. More muslims feel disenfranchised and become easier to manipulate into extremist mass murderers.

Yea but no matter how racist a group of people are to me, I'm not gonna go out a blow up planes full of innocent people.

And wtf "more muslims feel disenfranchised and become easier to manipulate into extremist mass murders"

Well that is one way of handling their anger at being labeled terrorists... blowing up planes.

**** them

lazylad

Apologies collie d., i was not having a go at you. yeah i shud read posts better sorry :?

Collie D

lazylad wrote:

Apologies collie d., i was not having a go at you. yeah i shud read posts better sorry :?

No worries, man

iguana

Collie D wrote:

Fair point, iguana. But where are the leaders to condemn the terrorist attacks?

But they do, all the time. Whenever something like this happens, muslim community leaders come out in their droves to condemn it and dis-associate themselves from the extremists.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&hs=qev&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=muslims+condemn+bombing&spell=1

Call Me Jimmy wrote:

Yea but no matter how racist a group of people are to me, I'm not gonna go out a blow up planes full of innocent people.

And wtf "more muslims feel disenfranchised and become easier to manipulate into extremist mass murders"

Well that is one way of handling their anger at being labeled terrorists... blowing up planes.

**** them

For 25 years the IRA was involved in the killing of civilians as a supposedly legitimate tool for airing their grievences. While IRA attacks were markedly different in that their aim was never to kill as many civilians as possible, and that it was general policy to warn the authorities and give them a chance to evacuate before any explosion. They still took innocent lives and counted it as collateral damage. I can understand why they felt driven to do what they did, and I can't honestly say that I would have done differently in their situation, but I can say that what they did was wrong.

And that is the exact same now with muslim extremists. Blowing people up is undoubtably wrong, and their own justifications are a hell of a lot crazier than anything the IRA ever aimed for, as Al Qaeda's ultimate goal is to wipe out all non-muslims. But forming racist judgements against all muslims will only make things worse, as that will lead to more terrorists.

I'm not excusing what any bombers have done, or what any potential bombers are/have been planning. But terrorists aren't born they are made. Not looking at the causes of terror and instead indiscriminately judging all members of one religion by the actions of a few, will only perpetuate the cycle.

Collie D

But you can't just blame society for these murderers. Was watching some Muslim on Sky News and he didn't once condemn terrorists or say it was against Islam. Just kept going on about how Muslims are viewed by the British public. Fair enough, they are probably mistrusted but if this guy was anything to go by I can unserstand a bit of mistrust. He was just short of blaming everyone but the terrorists for these attacks. Sickening!

connundrum

lazylad wrote:

There are loads of just average people waiting to get to work the next day on these flights and these low lifes just trying to blow them up when they are probably trying to sleep next to sum *****r who wants you to pull the blind down and is always asleep when you want to piss!!

lazylad wrote:

I hope them extremist f*cks are tortured so bad for months and shown its wrong to blow up planes morally.

I would have thought it bad to blow up a plane regardless of one's morals?

lazylad wrote:

To make it worse, i was in heathrow getting a flight home and there was a women in one of them robes where you cant see their face, she was muslim, and she had a different accent and she had a fresh, irish passport getting on the dublin plane. I hope they don't come here!! Im serious, Ireland to Irish, no arguments.

Bollocks. I may cancel the holiday to Dubai so... thanks for clearing up that rule.

lazylad wrote:

takes a very special person to understand their individuality in that case.

You are this special person? Should we direct all queries to you regarding this matter then?

Whoever gave you that bit of chocolate earlier on is probably regretting it now.

lazylad

iguana wrote:

But they do, all the time. Whenever something like this happens, muslim community leaders come out in their droves to condemn it and dis-associate themselves from the extremists.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&hs=qev&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=muslims+condemn+bombing&spell=1



For 25 years the IRA was involved in the killing of civilians as a supposedly legitimate tool for airing their grievences. While IRA attacks were markedly different in that their aim was never to kill as many civilians as possible, and that it was general policy to warn the authorities and give them a chance to evacuate before any explosion. They still took innocent lives and counted it as collateral damage. I can understand why they felt driven to do what they did, and I can't honestly say that I would have done differently in their situation, but I can say that what they did was wrong.

And that is the exact same now with muslim extremists. Blowing people up is undoubtably wrong, and their own justifications are a hell of a lot crazier than anything the IRA ever aimed for, as Al Qaeda's ultimate goal is to wipe out all non-muslims. But forming racist judgements against all muslims will only make things worse, as that will lead to more terrorists.

I'm not excusing what any bombers have done, or what any potential bombers are/have been planning. But terrorists aren't born they are made. Not looking at the causes of terror and instead indiscriminately judging all members of one religion by the actions of a few, will only perpetuate the cycle.

Oh all this sh*t again. Hiding behind the politically correctness. Who gives a sh*t about forming judgements, im sure you do too only you want to seem like oprah on boards.
Their motives are like twisted wake up. IRA were bad too, so were the nazis, communists, and well rwanda who were bad just look at the genocide there, croatia bosnia.chechnya, india and pakistan. come to think of it what country hasn't taken the life of another person in political opinion difference?? iguana answer that.
but do you see these areas blowing up other national airlines from major international airports in a country with a striking difference in culture to their own. eg UK culture is different to Pakistan. UK is full of people from pakistan india etc, and they trying to blow it up??? makes no sense!
These people are as biased against us as what you are trying to say don't discriminate b0ll(x! Grow balls and don't start acting like some eejit tryin to please the muslims. They wou;dnt care if you were on that plane or your family coming home.
Think in a way that doenst involve that highly overused word "discrimination". That word annoys the f*ck outa me. Just a word for chancers to get compo out of or get away with sh*t.

iguana

Collie D wrote:

But you can't just blame society for these murderers. Was watching some Muslim on Sky News and he didn't once condemn terrorists or say it was against Islam. Just kept going on about how Muslims are viewed by the British public. Fair enough, they are probably mistrusted but if this guy was anything to go by I can unserstand a bit of mistrust. He was just short of blaming everyone but the terrorists for these attacks. Sickening!

As I seem to remember that was a tactic usually applied by Gerry Adams.

Re muslim leader, From last July.

Muslims worldwide have condemned the terrorist bombings in London that killed more than fifty people.

The Muslim Council of Britain said the bombings were "evil deeds." "The evil people who planned and carried out these series of explosions in London want to demoralize us as a nation and divide us as a people," the group said in a statement. "All of us must unite in helping the police to capture these murderers."

London's Regent's Park Mosque, the largest Muslim cultural center in Europe, also called on British Muslims to help the police find the bombers. In the United States, the Council on American Islamic Relations called the London bombings "barbaric attacks," while the California-based charity Islamic Relief called them "a crime against all of humanity." Edina Lekovic, a spokeswoman for the Muslim Public Affairs Council, says the attacks "violate all principles [of] Islam":

"The Muslim Public Affairs Council, as well as the Council on American Islamic Relations, stand in solidarity with Muslims across the United States, as well as Muslims around the world, in condemning terrorism. This is not the first time we have done it, and it's not the last time that we will do it."

Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and his prime minister, Ahmed Qurei, sent a letter to British prime minister Tony Blair condemning the "murderous and terrorist" London attacks. President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan also sent a message of condolence to British prime minister Blair and called for “a joint fight” against terrorism. “It is imperative that we stand together and further strengthen our bonds of cooperation to eliminate this menace,” said Mr. Musharraf.

Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai called the bombings “an attack against the whole of mankind.” And Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari called the London bombings “shameful” and reaffirmed Iraq’s determination to help eliminate "the evil of terrorism in any country.”

lazylad

connundrum...yeah ok. you disaggree with everything i must have said. we know what side you are on. or do you want to try and make me look like a fool?
what i meant by special person is they are pretty "fu*ked up" ah sur probably another nerd you are

Collie D

Point taken, iguana. Still don't agree with you re the alienation. Why don't they try to integrate.

connundrum

I didn't disagree with all you said. I'm fairly sick over the high tension PC police that are out in force in today's world too.

The points that I quoted were simply things that I couldn't make sense of... and if you want to say something like 'Ireland should be for the Irish' - then you should expect some sort of kick back.

Think of it this way - (and this is all in my opinion btw).

The IRA were waging a war against the UK because of the 800 odd year oppression. Muslim extremists may feel that they are waging a war against the Western Way of Life because they feel that their culture/identity/way of life is being invaded by us westies.

We can always go back to the origional argument of - had we all (America & Europe) not got involved, then we probably wouldn't be under threat.

lazylad wrote:

we know what side you are on.

What the hell does that even mean? I argue with you therefore I am obviously on the dark side??

lazylad wrote:

what i meant by special person is they are pretty "fu*ked up" ah sur probably another nerd you are

lazylad

I agree with you there connundrum,
their way of life is very traditional and just like us irish love our culture they love theirs. Ireland is becoming modernised very fast too and I don't like that too much, america is so upbeat it hard to relax there, I wouldn't like here to be like that either.
But what they are doing is very wrong and they need to expect a defense for it. We need to protect thousands of innocent people, children going through airports. We need to and people hiding behind discrimination curtain is just avoidance for the fact they are conscious of what people in their etnnic group have done. It doens't mean they are bad, just they are defensive and angry over it.

iguana

lazylad wrote:

IRA were bad too, so were the nazis, communists, and well rwanda who were bad just look at the genocide there, croatia bosnia.chechnya, india and pakistan. come to think of it what country hasn't taken the life of another person in political opinion difference?? iguana answer that.

Umm, I'm pretty sure that was my point. Most conflict has a root cause and the treatment of that is to address the cause, not further perpetuate the conflict.

lazylad wrote:

UK is full of people from pakistan india etc, and they trying to blow it up??? makes no sense!

Actually there is a reasoning for it, Sayyed Qutb, father of modern islamic extremism, concluded that extreme measures, including deception and even violence against non-devout muslims could be justified in an effort to restore shared moral values to society. It's twisted I know, but so are many of the actions taken by the US, the UK, Isreal and others against islamic countries that don't bend to their will and I don't go around judging all people in these countries based on the actions of their governments. Why because it would be stupid and counter-productive.

I am well aware that my life means nothing to muslim terrorists/extremists, I live in London and take the tube everyday to work and back. I'm also well aware of the f*cked up nature of a lot of islamic view points, such as the attitudes toward women and homosexuals. But I'm also aware that plenty of muslims are nice, ordinary people and I'm not going to start hating the lovely Turkish shop keeper who gives me free sweets because some other muslims planned a mass murder. But I am going to try to understand the reasons why some people feel moved to carry out such attacks because it is only through destroying the causes of this hatred that it can be stopped.

When the tube bombings happened last year, one of the first things that went through my head was that if by some small chance the IRA had done this, I was going home. Irish people in the UK went through terrible hatred and discrimination in this country due to IRA bombings here. Some were arrested and had their lives and that of their families ruined based on nothing more than the fact that they were Irish. That sort of discrimination was used to justify IRA actions even further, and I believe that there is a truth in that. It doesn't excuse IRA actions, but it partially explains it. In the same way that hostile actions on the part of the government, police and factions of the general public are partly to blame for the radicilisation of some muslim extremists. The whole story is far more complicated than that,but it is certainly a factor.

InFront

lazylad wrote:

To make it worse, i was in heathrow getting a flight home and there was a women in one of them robes where you cant see their face, she was muslim, and she had a different accent and she had a fresh, irish passport getting on the dublin plane. I hope they don't come here!! Im serious, Ireland to Irish, no arguments.

WTF? Ireland to irish? Racial seperatism? That's a pretty stupid post tbh.

UK culture is different to Pakistan. UK is full of people from pakistan india etc, and they trying to blow it up??? makes no sense!

Firstly, India doesnt have much to do with Islamic fuindamentalism. You seem to think extremism applies to an entire religion or nationality. That is absolute stupidity and nothing less.

Grow balls and don't start acting like some eejit tryin to please the muslims. They wou;dnt care if you were on that plane or your family coming home.

I'm a Muslim, I'm mostly Pakistani (by family), Im Irish, and I'm against any form of political violence. Do you even understand that that is a common opinion? Whatever your religion is, doesnt make you any more of a better person than any given Muslim, or make you less likely to do and say stupid things. Religion is being overestimated in this entire 'debate'.
"The Muslims". Would you please stop referring to these extremists as "The Muslims". The real Muslims are normal, hardowrking, decent people living in this city and this country and the bullsh1t you are posting is an insult to all of them. The reference to the IRA and the wider Irish community is very valid, and is one you ought to conisder.
You're completely overlooking the majority and labelling one ideology with one tag "Islam" because that suits your intellect. It's easy.

The Islamic community has a whole spectrum of ideologies and schools of faith. Beyond all of that, outside of the Muslim community, is a thing called fundamentalism, which has nothing to do with the Muslim faith, and is a question of politics, religious fanaticism and nationality.

I don't intend to get in an argument with you because to be honest, you're either fishing for it, or your mindset is one of those that simply cannot be changed.

Terry

lazylad banned for blatant racist remarks.

Our man in Havana

I wonder how many laptops were damaged in the hold today?