Ruling

Dub13 · 09-08-2006 9:08pm #1

Ok this is a hypothetical situation but it nearly happed the other night in the Fitz and it got me thinking what would the ruling have been if this did happen.

First hand of a tournament,3 players in a big pot for this stage of the tournament.On the turn one of the players released he is at the wrong table.Whats the ruling here...?

Scotty # · 09-08-2006 9:21pm

lol...it never ceases to amaze me how many rules I don't know about this game. In other words, NO IDEA!! I suppose the fairest thing would be to let the hand play out is if he were belonging to the table but then you'd have to leave him at the table. Ohh.....wait a minute......Was he playing with his own chips??

Dub13 · 09-08-2006 9:26pm

I no its a strange one,I am sure it has happened before.

Lafortezza · 09-08-2006 9:53pm

Play the hand to conclusion then the player moves to his correct seat.
I can't see any other way to do it fairly.

Scotty # · 09-08-2006 9:59pm

Just read the post again..didn't realise it was the first hand. I remember one of the GJP €250 games where a player sat down at the wrong table in behind a hugh stack and proceeded to read a news paper!! LOL He had to be told he was at the wrong table. He won.

Scotty # · 09-08-2006 10:00pm

lafortezza wrote:

Play the hand to conclusion then the player moves to his correct seat.
I can't see any other way to do it fairly.

Can't do that. What if he wins the hand? Does he take all the chips from the table?

Lafortezza · 09-08-2006 10:08pm

Scotty # wrote:

Can't do that. What if he wins the hand? Does he take all the chips from the table?

Yes. If its the first hand of the tournament then everyone will have the same starting chips anyway. So if he wins just switch the stacks with the other table and then make sure everyone is in there correct seats.

If action has taken place then it should be completed. I don't think you can declare his hand dead especially if he's playing the wrong seat instead of the wrong stack.

Problems increase though if he has played several hands before the error is noticed. Or if it's during a tournament and he sits in the wrong place and plays someone elses stack.

tricky D · 09-08-2006 10:14pm

Hmmmmmmmm, interesting. Saw this almost happen as you mention.

Firstly, the seat and hence chips may already be assigned. Secondly, it is the perp's fault, totally. Thus it would seem that all 'not paying attention taxes' should be levied, but does 'significant action' apply? No, perp is not supposed to be there in the first place - it is not his hand.

You said, 'on the turn', so chips have been invested, good, so more of the aforementioned 'not paying attention' taxes can be levied. My Ruling: perp is ruled dead/out of the hand and loses any chips invested and is moved to correct table with smaller stack. Perp simply was not in the hand in the first place. Assigned player obviously gets full chips.

Will check with god. (the 'good' disclaimer)

The worst case would be if the perp won a big pot with the correct player standing behind waiting to take his seat, but you did say 'the turn' in this case.

phantom_lord · 09-08-2006 10:16pm

Scotty # wrote:

Can't do that. What if he wins the hand? Does he take all the chips from the table?

He should never have been involved in the hand.
Could it be that the hand is disregarded? Chips go back to the players as they were before the hand?
Maybe?

Interesting one anyway.

Almost happened me in the merrion one time, td took my table seat card and dropped it back in the pile and gave it to someone else.
Not a good way to start a tournament, in the wrong seat

tricky D · 09-08-2006 10:21pm

phantom_lord wrote:

Could it be that the hand is disregarded?

No, significant and legitimate action has happened for the players who have a right to be in the hand. Why should they be penalised. We're at the turn here.

phantom_lord · 09-08-2006 10:27pm

tricky D wrote:

No, significant and legitimate action has happened for the players who have a right to be in the hand. Why should they be penalised. We're at the turn here.

True, it is his mistake after all. Him being ruled dead makes most sense.

tricky D · 09-08-2006 10:33pm

Of course, if the game is friendly and small enough, it doesn't require my kind of anal/strict intrepretation so we'd just 'move along' as per adam's interpretation. However last friday had 8k ish in prize pool and i do strict rules as last night's 'speech players' will testify to.

Goodluck2me · 10-08-2006 1:49pm

what if its after a break or something and he is playing someone elses stack. does the person pay a "late coming back after break" tax?

OilBeefHooked2 · 10-08-2006 2:29pm

Dub13 wrote:

Ok this is a hypothetical situation but it nearly happed the other night in the Fitz and it got me thinking what would the ruling have been if this did happen.

First hand of a tournament,3 players in a big pot for this stage of the tournament.On the turn one of the players released he is at the wrong table.Whats the ruling here...?

he should be ReReleased back into the wild!:D

Dub13 · 10-08-2006 9:32pm

david-k wrote:

he should be ReReleased back into the wild!:D

True.

Dub13 · 14-08-2006 2:47pm

So there is no consensus on this one then.

bohsman · 14-08-2006 2:50pm

Just switch the seats and let the player keep that seat.

Dub13 · 14-08-2006 2:52pm

bohsman wrote:

Just switch the seats and let the player keep that seat.

Oscar would this not be open to abuse...?

kpnuts · 14-08-2006 2:54pm

I would think that if the hand has been played to the turn, significant action has taken place so our geographically challenged friend plays on and stays in that seat. Whoever was originally meant to be in the seat in question should now go to the vacant seat left by the guy who made the mistake. This player should have been in his/her rightful seat in time for the first hand to defend his/her chips. Anyway, the dealer should have clarified with everyone that they are in the right seat before he gets the cards in the air in the first place, so it's not just our friend's mistake, it's also the dealer's mistake. Play on.

bohsman · 14-08-2006 2:59pm

Yes but if it was obviously an accident its fine, also the majority of players arrive on time so the mistake would be spotted, if it came to the point where people were trying to pick their seats seat cards would have to be handed out and the dealers would make sure everyone was in their correct seats.

In the Fitz cash games if you miss the blinds you dont need to post, this is certainly open to abuse but when one player was noticed going out to smoke his pipe to avoid the blinds Luke changed the rules for a while making missed blinds post, when he stopped it again there were no more problems.

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