2/4 NL; AA first hand

El Stuntman

so I sit in at a new 6-max 2/4 table with the max; unusually I don't recognise any of the others (no notes, no PT stats).
They all have near or more than the max so plenty of cash on the table.

Wait to play until the BB comes around and lo and behold AA rears its ugly head.

UTG leads for 24, call, call, call, fold (102 in the pot now)

I ponder my best line and then....push

I felt this was the best course of action given the table's total lack of reads on me and action to date.

Results later

Thoughts?

Ste05

Yep, I'd do the same thing, they might think you're just a donk and I'd say you'll get called by something....

Gholimoli

i dont really like it.
you have a rasise and call call call.all the calls means they are not strong .if any of them had any sort of hand they would reraise .
the stacks are so deep and the fact that your unknown means its more reason for them so save the money in fron of them.
if you had buy in for the min then by all means but i think this push will just pick up the pot unless some1 there is slow playing KK maybe QQ in which case you would get them post flop more than liekly

fuzzbox

How much did you push for?

I think you can make it 125 here and make it look like a squeeze. Although they prolly arent aggro enough at 2/4 to 3-bet bluff you - some1 might play with you with 66 or something.

Push is certainly a fine line given the amount in the pot already.

El Stuntman

fuzzbox wrote:

How much did you push for?
QUOTE]

300

badbrian

Ste05 wrote:

they might think you're just a donk and I'd say you'll get called by something....

If this was his first hand after sitting down I'd be inclined to agree but as he has waited for his BB to come around I assume they'll give him a bit of respect.
I will guess no-one called.

ianmc38

Sometimes you'll get a caller who thinks you're a donk. Other times everyone will fold because you're an unknown.

I prefer a standard raise to 100ish.

Hectorjelly

100 is better

valor

Just make a standard "squeeze"

fuzzbox

With a 300 stack, I dont mind making it 100.

A pot raise is my standard here tho, with a little extra juice when Im oop. Pot would be 150 or so.

Who the fvck opens for 6x the bb utg in any case? And how the fvck does he manage to get 4 callers .

Shove seems like it gets UTG and his 99 to call .

I like the shove for 300.

El Stuntman

normally I'd agree with Hector and Ian's line here but given the situation I fully expected a caller

(Fuzz's analysis was very close!)

the action went insta-call fold fold fold

he had JJ and didn't improve and I win a decent pot

Hectorjelly

Do you think you wouldnt of gotten action had you made it 100/125?

El Stuntman

Hectorjelly wrote:

Do you think you wouldnt of gotten action had you made it 100/125?

yes of course I would have and certainly if I'd been at the table for a while or I knew the other players and they knew me, that would have been the correct play

it was a totally situational play though as you do see lunatics (drunk/high/crazy - all 3) going all-in PF on their first hand.....I knew there was a good chance that I'd be pegged as one!

plus they were all scandos so a call was always on the cards

Enjoy Vegas?

Goodluck2me

i think it was an excellent push, it was a double bluff. i would have been interested to see who would have called with JJ here?

ianmc38

El Stuntman wrote:

it was a totally situational play though as you do see lunatics (drunk/high/crazy - all 3) going all-in PF on their first hand.....I knew there was a good chance that I'd be pegged as one!

plus they were all scandos so a call was always on the cards

TBH that's results based thinking. Alot of the time, everyone will fold. I'd find it hard to call with QQ let alone JJ. I don't think a push is the best play here.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

TBH that's results based thinking. Alot of the time, everyone will fold. I'd find it hard to call with QQ let alone JJ. I don't think a push is the best play here.

Why would you call 100 but not a push?

AmarilloFats

ianmc38 wrote:

TBH that's results based thinking. Alot of the time, everyone will fold. I'd find it hard to call with QQ let alone JJ. I don't think a push is the best play here.

I like the push. If stacks were deeper I liek a raise to 125.
this is PPP right. So max buyin is $300.. Who calls off 33% of their stack here, with JJ?
BTW how would you have played AK here!?

bman

fuzzbox wrote:

Who the fvck opens for 6x the bb utg in any case?

Why is this a bad thing? If you've been playing on a table for a while and the players are loose aren't you better off raising it by more than the norm when you've got a decent hand like JJ? I'm not saying your wrong coz i really don't know, i'd just like to know why you think its wrong.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

Why would you call 100 but not a push?

I never said I'd call 100. If was PFR with JJ and I had a few callers and then a raise to 100, i'd fold.

I couldn't imagine playing for my stack with AK in this spot either tyvm.

Bandana boy

I like the push here especially on PPP as AK does this a lot and TT-KK will look you up and sometimes AK/AQ especially your first hand if not you have taken down a nice pot already 102 not to be sniffed at on 2-4
On PP or PS i think i prefer raising to 100

oh and if you see a scandie defo push in fact table of scandies i push with JJ here

AmarilloFats

ianmc38 wrote:

I never said I'd call 100. If was PFR with JJ and I had a few callers and then a raise to 100, i'd fold.

I couldn't imagine playing for my stack with AK in this spot either tyvm.

Hi Ian,

Why not play for stack here with AK??Because it could never be profitable??
with only 75 big blinds, and 24 big blinds already in the pot..I think pushing with AK here is +EV, on average.

Now if you had a little ready on the UTG raiser then brilliant.