My Line here: 2 examples

willis

Hand 1: 2/4, I make it 14 utg AQ(3rd hand in a row ive raised), 3 callers.

Flop A45: I bet 50, I get raised by MP to 110. He has 300 at start of hand, I cover. Whats my line? No reads


Hand 2: 2/4, fish makes it 8, I make it 28 with KK, he calls. He has 280 I cover.

Flop J103: he bets out 20, I just call. Is this bad?
Turn 6: He checks I bet 60 he makes it 120…I just call
River 10: He pushes for 132, I call

Is my line good/bad? What should I be doing differently in this pot. Am I ever folding at any stage in the pot? He is very poor but this aint a stone cold bluff for certain.

Ste05

Hand 1: I just push here and now, it might look like you're at it, by buying lots of pots, and he might call with a weaker A.

Hand 2: Flop - I don't like it, I'd have re-raised it to 65-80, that way there's a higher chance you'll get all his money into the middle on the turn if he has an OESD. Or he might overplay something like QQ, AJ, KJ, QJ, A10 (hopefully he doesn't have J10, (would he raise PF with this??) JJ or 1010 )

As played - Turn - I push to the min-raise here, the 6 is a brick, although the tiny lead on the flop followed by the min C/R would certainly scream a set/badly played 2 pair.

But it would depend on just how fishy he was and what small bets mean from him to give a proper answer TBH. Alot would also depend on what sort of image this guy had of you.

fuzzbox

Hand 1 - what suits are on the board? Are there more players to act yet? I sometimes check such a flop.

I dont mind folding, and I dont mind shoving, but usually ppl play more "honestly" in a 4-way pot, and that means you are prolly beat.

Hand 2 - What type of fish is this guy? If he is a "play small pots with big hands" guy - then folding to the turn c/minraise is good ... (as is check-behind).
If he is an overplay top-pair type guy, then shoving the turn is good.

My guess is that he has you mashed.

ianmc38

Hand 1: I used to lead out nearly every time in this spot. Now I check-call alot more. As played I'm folding mostly. Even if we have AK I think this is a close decision.

Hand 2:

I probably raise the flop. I either push or fold to the turn check-raise, usually push.

spectre

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand 2:

I probably raise the flop. I either push or fold to the turn check-raise, usually push.

Why push the turn? What do you think you're up against when villain check-minraises the turn? This is usually a bad player telling you that he's got a monster and wants to get all his money in the pot.

I will often check behind on the turn here. I don't like my hand so much anymore and don't want to play a big pot.

ianmc38

spectre wrote:

I will often check behind on the turn here. I don't like my hand so much anymore and don't want to play a big pot.

Hand analysis: A moron bets 1/3 pot on the flop. You call. A blank hits on the turn. He checks. Now you check behind because based on this action you suddenly hate your hand after a weak flop lead and a turn check? I'm confused.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand analysis: A moron bets 1/3 pot on the flop. You call. A blank hits on the turn. He checks. Now you check behind because based on this action you suddenly hate your hand after a weak flop lead and a turn check? I'm confused.

Hand analysis: A moron minraises preflop, calls a reraise and bets 1/3 pot on the flop. You call and he checks a blank turn on a JTxx board. He checks the turn to you, but minraises when you bet ... so he has AA or a set.

N'est pas?

willis

Fuzz in hand 1 it was 3suited and there was a player to act after him after he reraised me, but he obv folded, now its my turn. I shoved, he had 2pair A4, but as you guys say its close between push/fold and it was a tough decision for me.

Hand 2: The fish has something on the flop for sure. Thats why I just called. Sometimes I raise here. The turn I felt he didnt have a monster, thats why i bet, i nearly puked when he min check-raised.
My main question in hand 2 is this: If ive decided to go all the way with the KK after his min checkraise, should i just push here or just call and let him bet the river aswell? Does it matter really?

ianmc38

Yes. After the minraise we will of course dislike our hand alot more. There is no reason before the minraise to hate it. Morons like AJ. Alot.

As always it depends on the notes on the villain. Does he min-raise with top pair or does he do it exclusively with sets? What does he min-raise preflop with? Is he trapping us by smooth calling our raise OOP with AA preflop?

These factors are what the action is based on. We cant say the best line here is to do this or that, as this situation is villain dependant. Against random player with no reads then the turn and river can both be folded.

FB are you passing to the minraise here? Are you checking behind on the turn?

Yes, pot control in position is important, but I dont see any reason here to check behind on the turn.

spectre

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand analysis: A moron bets 1/3 pot on the flop. You call. A blank hits on the turn. He checks. Now you check behind because based on this action you suddenly hate your hand after a weak flop lead and a turn check? I'm confused.

He also open min-raised and called a reraise.
He then makes a bet that's just asking to be raised. Perhaps I'm being overly cautious but I think I'm sometimes behind here. I agree that often my hand is good, but I'm nowhere near sure of it so don't mind keeping the pot small. If I do bet the turn, I will usually fold to the check-minraise.

What so you think the Villain's range is?

willis

Villain easily leads at this flop with Q9, to "test the waters". Checking behind gives a freebie.

TBH i thought his 20 bet was a tester with something like Q9 or K10/KQ etc, or maybe he has Jack rag and has slowed down. I think I have to bet the turn, imo 90% time I dont get checkraised here. He defo dont lead for 20 with a set, fishies nearly always check a set here on the flop execting us to bet, the books show them how to slowplay people to get paid!

The fish had K10...of all fukn hands to checkraise with! Can i ver fold the river after calling the turn checkraise? If im gonna call the turn, should i just push?

Ste05

willis wrote:

If im gonna call the turn, should i just push?

Yes, on a coordinated board like that, he'll call with a draw, whereas on the river he'll only call if he completes his hand.

FullOf..IT

ianmc38 wrote:

Hand 1: I used to lead out nearly every time in this spot. Now I check-call alot more.

Why do you do this now?

ianmc38

spectre wrote:

What so you think the Villain's range is?

There are just as many donks who'll open minraise preflop with QJ as there are with AA. Range here is anything. Most donks check flopped sets a large % of the time.

fuzzbox

willis wrote:

The fish had K10...of all fukn hands to checkraise with! Can i ver fold the river after calling the turn checkraise? If im gonna call the turn, should i just push?

To the top of the buddy list.
Never fold anything against this monkey ... and I like a call of the c/minraise against this monkey - to let him bluff the rest on the river.