Restricted firearms

Umiq88

What are these??

Full automatics and the likes?

newby.204

From what i understand Psitta anything the current/future Minister for Justice decides is to be a restricted firearm.

Kryten

The key word here is Minister!!! Not local Superintendant!!

Umiq88

right well that clears things up a bit

shc1

I guess those gray areas are the same on both sides of the ocean.

Rew

There are currently no restricted firearms because the minister hasn't designated any yet. He can restrict them on pretty much nay detail from caliber to muzzle velocity.

maglite

just a quick q cause i have been away for awhile the airsoft and pellet guns are now legal yes?

Rovi

Rew wrote:

He can restrict them on pretty much nay detail from caliber to muzzle velocity.

Yep, it's pretty much the old 'idontlikedalookodat' policy written into law.

Rovi

maglite wrote:

just a quick q cause i have been away for awhile the airsoft and pellet guns are now legal yes?

They've always been legal (and still are), it's just that anything with a muzzle energy of under 1 joule no longer needs to be licenced.

maglite

ya you know what i mean

but there toys now yes?

Rew

maglite wrote:

ya you know what i mean

but there toys now yes?

Only if the muzzle energy is under 1 joule. Don't know it its law yet.

newby.204

Yea anything with energy of <1 joule is now a toy!! Which means you will have to get out the calculator because most sites give that energy in fps instead of joules, but they are toys now however as Rew says dont know when that will be in effect so i wouldn go out ordering everything you ever wanted off the net just yet. Best man to ask is Sparks

Rovi

maglite wrote:

ya you know what i mean

but there toys now yes?

Well, provided they're under 1 joule, they're not firearms.

What they are depends entirely on the use to which they are put. Having a laugh with your mates out in the woods or around the house, they're toys. Stuck in a bank teller's face, they're a deadly weapon and will be responded to and any survivors prosecuted as such.

whupass

yes you can buy them.


i called the DoJ and they said the firearms won't be restricted for 5-6 months

newby.204

whupass wrote:

yes you can buy them.


i called the DoJ and they said the firearms won't be restricted for 5-6 months

Good man whupass, exercising the old gray matter, and being responsible about it too. I sappose there will be boxes of airsoft gettin delivered to your house soon:D

Liam Good

newby.204 wrote:

Yea anything with energy of <1 joule is now a toy!! Which means you will have to get out the calculator because most sites give that energy in fps instead of joules, but they are toys now however as Rew says dont know when that will be in effect so i wouldn go out ordering everything you ever wanted off the net just yet. Best man to ask is Sparks

1 joules = 0.737562149 foot pounds

garmac

You really gotta laugh...........or cry.
I'm in the process of bringing in a break action .22 air rifle from the UK.
It's an poverty spec model( gotta start somewhere with rifles) made God knows where and its muzzle energy is 10 ft/lbs( 13.5 Joules) and if I was uk resident and over 17 I could buy it over the counter, like a toy.
I'm not saying that this is right or wrong but what a difference.
I mean; I could give someone a nasty little bruise with that!

maglite

or kill them at 50+ yards

whupass

newby.204 wrote:

Good man whupass, exercising the old gray matter, and being responsible about it too. I sappose there will be boxes of airsoft gettin delivered to your house soon:D

No, no, none yet:D . my dad won't let me get them because there isn't anywhere to play it yet so (he says') i'll end up shooting at things on the street. i wouldn't do that though, they are weak enough for me to set up a target in my room or use it in the garden, i could even bring it to my friends house, he has 18 acres and is into airsoft too, but no i can't get it:( :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

newby.204

whupass wrote:

No, no, none yet:D . my dad won't let me get them because there isn't anywhere to play it yet so (he says') i'll end up shooting at things on the street. i wouldn't do that though, they are weak enough for me to set up a target in my room or use it in the garden, i could even bring it to my friends house, he has 18 acres and is into airsoft too, but no i can't get it:( :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

My mother DETESTS/HATES firearms whupass, and i had to nag and beg for four years before she would agree to letting me get a gun and keep it in the house, now i dont know what your parents are like but IMO keep up the nagging they will either break and let you have one or they' kill you

whupass

darn i told him your story and the first thing he said was "ok four years then" and then he said "you can get one as soon as you move out" darn!!

newby.204

whupass wrote:

darn i told him your story and the first thing he said was "ok four years then" and then he said "you can get one as soon as you move out" darn!!

Ah you see forethought, i was begging since i was 14, long before i could actually get a gun. My ma pulled the "when you have your own house" line aswell. You just have to prove with reason that when you get it you will be safe and responsible. Now for me that ment a gun safe, bolted to soild wall, safebox for ammo, and keys are on me 24/7 i never leave them down or hand them to anyone, before ye start im gettin a safebox for the keys too.

garmac

Originally Posted by maglite
or kill them at 50+ yards

I doubt it. The manufacturers quoted range is 40 yards however....
I do appreciate what you're saying and of course I will treat it in the same manner as my shotgun.

maglite

40 yards for a clean kill
at 50 yards it has enough energy to throw it another 150 fired at 45deg >that is alot of power but if you dont believe me get a piece of wood at 50 yard and shoot it drop on mine is close enough to a foot.. and look at the penitration then ask if you would like that to hit your head.......

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Umiq88

@newby a safe accessed by a code would be the right thing to keep the keys/ammo/bolt in

newby.204

psittacosis wrote:

@newby a safe accessed by a code would be the right thing to keep the keys/ammo/bolt in

I know but with all the dosh im shelling out for the guns, the O/U,.22wmr and the custom(whatever that costs) at the moment i cant really afford anything like that, yet!!

Umiq88

40 yoyo's in argos which is a batter safe than some "gun" safe's you'd buy

Clare gunner

newby.204 wrote:

My mother DETESTS/HATES firearms whupass, and i had to nag and beg for four years before she would agree to letting me get a gun and keep it in the house, now i dont know what your parents are like but IMO keep up the nagging they will either break and let you have one or they' kill you

A friend of mine had this problem as well.In the end he said fine,I am going out and taking up high power motor biking as a hobby.Made all the preperations and left some gory mags lying around about motorbikes and fatalities ,etc.A week later his parents conceeded and let him have the gun instead!!They are actually now quite happy with him shooting and are more relaxed about guns than before.A reverse Hobsions choice somtimes works wonders.:D