Largest town not served by a National route?

BrianD3

Anyone know what's the largest town in Ireland not served by a national route. By "served" I mean the town is located along a national primary or secondary route or within a mile or two of one.

I'd guess that Trim Co. Meath must be right up there in a list of the largest towns not served by a national route.

Chris_533976

I'm somewhat tempted to say Cobh, even though its not the biggest. Although the N25 is about 4 miles from it, those 4 miles are some of the worst track-ass roads I know of. And they did get funding to upgrade it, did a bit of work for a year, then the money mysteriously disappeared.

Bloody disgrace.

mackerski

Belfast.

Dermot

mysterious

BrianD3 wrote:

Anyone know what's the largest town in Ireland not served by a national route. By "served" I mean the town is located along a national primary or secondary route or within a mile or two of one.

I'd guess that Trim Co. Meath must be right up there in a list of the largest towns not served by a national route.

I don't know, but It's not a big concern if Trim isn't. It just so happens that some towns are on National routes. There are a lot of towns not on national routes, no big deal.

BrianD3

mysterious wrote:

I don't know, but It's not a big concern if Trim isn't. It just so happens that some towns are on National routes. There are a lot of towns not on national routes, no big deal.

Not a big deal? Do you think that regional roads are suitable for serving medium and large towns. I don't know what quality the regional roads serving Trim are but many R roads in the country are of very poor quality and not really suitable for large traffic volumes.

Also while there may be many towns not on national routes, the vast majority of of these are small towns and villages with population of say 1500 or less. One reason I asked the question was I couldn't think of very many larger (say 5000+ pop) towns not on national routes.

Fool 5000

Anyone know what's the largest town in Ireland not served by a national route. By "served" I mean the town is located along a national primary or secondary route or within a mile or two of one.

I think Tullamore with 9698 people according to Google Earth

Buceph

mackerski wrote:

Belfast.

Dermot

Dermot? I've never heard of a town called Dermot.

BrianD3

Fool 5000 wrote:

I think Tullamore with 9698 people according to Google Earth

Ah, but Tullamore is on the N52 and N80 though.

Dub13

Maybe Skerries...?

nordydan

mackerski wrote:

Belfast.

Brian Warfield wrote:

And a holster that's been empty for many a day

But not for long!


What about Malahide?

murphaph

It's a good question OP. What about Kinsale, Athenry, Portartlington, Oldcastle, Buncrana? Any of them bigger than Trim?

BrianD3

Add Edenderry to that list too. A fast growing town, maybe not far off Trim size.

Not sure whether Skerries or Malahide should go on the list, not that familair with the road layout in that part of Co. Dublin

mike65

Tramore! pop 8800

Mike.

DerekP11

Trim looks very hot, but out of Philips list, Portarlington, looks like a player.

However, I think the original question may be open to "alternative" serious debate. A lot of National Secondary Routes are in a dire state and are, in fact, in a poorer condition than many "R" roads serving more "localized" connections. The R705/702 between Bagnelstown and Borris is an example of this.

DerekP11

mike65 wrote:

Tramore! pop 8800

Mike.

Good man Mike. Out of the mist of our thoughts, comes clarity. Waterford to Tramore is the R675. A short enough stretch, but currently above or on a par with many National primary routes.

But Mike, where the hell do the 8,800 live? Knowing Tramore very well, are mobile homes included in this pop stat?;)

mysterious

People are really getting things a bit arse ways here:rolleyes:

A national route links city to other large urban centres and commonly long distance routes. example Galway - Limerick

A Secondary route links to regional medium sized towns eg. Tullamore - Carlow

A regional road connect local towns to other local towns. Trim to Mullingar.

Take another. Enfield is just poxy lucky to be on a national route, because it's on the main road from Dublin to the west.

IMO it would be just redicoulous for Trim or anything comparable to have a green N route en route to Dublin for the sake of it. The traffic is obviously "regional" so the the road should be classed regional. Limerick to Dublin route is classed national because it's a trunk route carrying national and foriegne traffic, therefore should be classed "national" Tullamore to Portlaoise route links the main regions and large towns to each other and take "regional" and some "national" traffic. so it's a secondary road. It's all nonsense saying Tramore and Trim should have dedicated national routes. they don't justify a national route.

It's a bit of cop on, the Map clearly shows this.

mike65

DerekP11 - I dunno when you were last down here but the place has exploded, there is lot of "new" development around the back of the town and towards Newtown Cove. Frankly its ruined out that way.

The R675 is better quality than most so called national roads.

Mike.

DerekP11

mike65 wrote:

DerekP11 - I dunno when you were last down here but the place has exploded, there is lot of "new" development around the back of the town and towards Newtown Cove. Frankly its ruined out that way.

The R675 is better quality than most so called national roads.

Mike.

Down in Tramore at the end of May. In it every year for work reasons, so I have seen it change a lot. I usually come in from the Bunmahon side and back out the R675. I've often taken the road over towards Waterford Airport aswell. Very little has changed in these areas. Newtown Cove, I don't know. Would that be the developments over on the left at the roundabout as you enter the town? The road brings you around to the end of the seafront? Used to be a lot more caravan parks, now houses? I'd agree that its ruined. Looks like legoland.

Spent many summers on the beach in Tramore. We stayed in my uncles guest house in Waterford city on William street I think. Facing a park that had a kind of velodrome for bikes. oopps, getting all OT. Anyway, Tramore, big town not on a national primary or secondary route for sure.

Mike,

Does Tramore have a town council and does the population include the rural areas around it or would they be included under the jurisdiction of Waterford CC?

mike65

Tramore has its own town council the electoral area is much larger (pop 15000)

Mike.

GrumPy

mackerski wrote:

Belfast.

Dermot

WHAAAAAA??!!1

Wishbone Ash

Balbriggan (N1 downgraded to R132)

Dub13

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Balbriggan (N1 downgraded to R132)

Yea but the M1 is only a few hundred years away.