Do deaf people watch most of their tv shows at night?

Keedowah

Whats the story with a lot of late night shows having a fella doing sign in the corner of the tv?

Thomas_S_Hunterson

The majority of the viewership is not deaf and they dont want to have to put up with people making funny looking gestures during their favourite shows during the day

#Smokey#

not by choice.i think they are only shown at that time as if its shown in daylight hearing people might not watch it due to a chap standing there doing sign language.(its very distracting)

Flukey

sean_keevey wrote:

The majority of the viewership is not deaf and they dont want to have to put up with people making funny looking gestures during their favourite shows during the day

I am sure deaf people find it distracting to see all these people on screen making strange mouth movements that they can't read and having their hands down beside themselves all the time. No matter how expert a lip reader they are, cartoons and puppets are impossible to enjoy. At least though they never hear any of these "so-called" talent shows or have to listen to Daniel O'Donnell, though when it comes to him, the sight of him is as off putting as his speech and inability to sing.

Pighead

Pighead was watching one of the music channels last week and couldn't help but giggle as they had a 50 something women doing sign language for all these sleazy r&b tunes whilst dancing in quite an inappropriate manner.

Think Drunken Uncle at wedding. Surely they have sexy young things who are able to so sign language?

Tar.Aldarion

Deaf people record television at night, watch it during the day.
They don't just 'come out' at night.

Robbo

It's also a handy way for stations to fulfil obligations, by having the signed versions on at unwholesome hours.

Flukey

Yes, like the rest of us, they go out at night. I've been at a few functions involving deaf people and they are good fun.

Flukey

Then there are subtitles, which actually don't always correspond to what people are actually saying.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Flukey wrote:

Then there are subtitles, which actually don't always correspond to what people are actually saying.

They usually have to truncat the conversational english a bit to fit it allin. Usually the gist is the same though.

#Smokey#

Pighead wrote:

Pighead was watching one of the music channels last week and couldn't help but giggle as they had a 50 something women doing sign language for all these sleazy r&b tunes whilst dancing in quite an inappropriate manner.

Think Drunken Uncle at wedding. Surely they have sexy young things who are able to so sign language?

referring to yourself in the third person is a sign of being crazy

Flukey

sean_keevey wrote:

They usually have to truncat the conversational english a bit to fit it allin. Usually the gist is the same though.

I do know that. Give me some credit. A friend of mine used to go out with a deaf girl, which is why I have had experience in this. I sometimes saw her watching programmes. It was still a little strange watching the subtitles and listening to the differences in the spoken part. She was not totally deaf and though I knew little sign language we could communicate. My friend, who was not deaf, did know sign language so that helped iron out any problems in communication between myself and his girlfriend. We often went out with other friends of hers, and it was interesting being with them.

gaf1983

I work with a deaf guy and he's able to tell us what's sort of dirt is being dished during Big Brother when they mute it. Whether you care about which housemate slept with who in the past or not is of course a different matter, but his lipreading comes in handy then.

Going off the point a bit, do the RTE Six One News still have news for the deaf after the main news? And remember in between stories they used to have a line of asterisks?

*********************************************************

Well did anyone elses TV go all fuzzy and make a really irritating noise when those asterisks scrolled up the screen, because I think mine used to.

Splinter

on a seperate note is there a way of learning sign language online? its something i would like to develop. anyone?

Huggles

Flukey wrote:

I've been at a few functions involving deaf people and they are good fun.

OH MY GOD!!!! They are deaf people, not fuucking aliens!!!!

Fanny Cradock

Flukey wrote:

I've been at a few functions involving deaf people and they are good fun

yeah, that's nice of you putting yourself in their company, the poor unfortunates. i'm sure they appreciated being around a person with full sonic capbilities.

Flukey

Flukey wrote:

I've been at a few functions involving deaf people and they are good fun.

A line worthy of Larry David.

jinxycat

splinter wrote:

on a seperate note is there a way of learning sign language online? its something i would like to develop. anyone?

i don't know about learning it online, but there is places around where you can learn it. i've been learning in on and off in the local vec. maybe try the national deaf association, they might be able to tell you where you can learn it locally to yourself.

RoundyMooney

Deleted User wrote:

A line worthy of Larry David.

Or David Brent...

[Jackass]

Deaf people have a good sense of smell.

vector

jinxycat wrote:

i don't know about learning it online, but there is places around where you can learn it. i've been learning in on and off in the local vec. maybe try the national deaf association, they might be able to tell you where you can learn it locally to yourself.

http://www.handspeak.com/ ?

monkeyfudge

What is the point of sign language on the TV anyway? Surely subtitles are far more effective and can be turned on or off at any time of the day.

Flukey

Now as you all well know I did not mean anything negative by what I said.

There is what is known amongst themselves as "deaf culture." The functions I was at are different. Their social occasions are different. The way they interact socially, going well beyond the sign language, is different too. You have different levels of deafness from people with slight hearing impairments, who can communicate with anyone easily enough, through to people who are completely deaf. It is hard to explain "deaf culture" without appearing to be negative. You have to spend time with deaf people to understand what I mean.

What is the point of sign language on the TV anyway?

It is their primary and preferred way of communicating so for deaf people it is better than subtitles. Lip reading also ranks above subtitles. In the same way it is easier for hearing people to listen to what is being said rather than reading the subtitles. There is a lot more to sign language than just the signs themselves. There are facial expressions and a lot of other subtle movements and gestures. If you ever see deaf people using sign language you will clearly see that. So it conveys far more than pure text does. It is like the way different tones of voice or speed or the way of saying things can completely change the meaning of what is being said for hearing people. That cannot be put across with pure text. If you are reading a book and dialogue is being described, it is often done by saying something extra like "she said sarcastically" or "he gasped" or "they said in shock" etc.

Collie D

Pighead wrote:

Pighead was watching one of the music channels last week and couldn't help but giggle as they had a 50 something women doing sign language for all these sleazy r&b tunes whilst dancing in quite an inappropriate manner.

Think Drunken Uncle at wedding. Surely they have sexy young things who are able to so sign language?

Yeah, I saw her doing I Predict a Riot, hilarious.

Umiq88

Can deaf people speak id imagine it would be hard for them if they were born deaf

Sam Vimes

psittacosis wrote:

Can deaf people speak id imagine it would be hard for them if they were born deaf

they can but it sounds very unrefined if you know what i mean. they're trying to match how they see people's lips move but they don't get it quite right. couldn't be expected to really. you can still understand them

this might sound terrible but put your finger in your mouth and try to talk. it sounds bit like that


disclaimer: please don't call me insensitive or whatever. i'm just trying to describe how a deaf person talks as well as i can in text

Rovi

Jimmy Hill used to tell about how when he hosted Match of the Day, they were constantly getting letters from irate deaf viewers complaining about the foul language of the footballers. :rolleyes:

Blisterman

Whats the point of signing music videos in the first place?

RoundyMooney

It's ridiculous. Just an easy way for stations to fulfil public service obligations and/or appear PC IMHO.

It wouls be interesting to get a hearing impaired persons view on this. Anyone?

Agent Smith

i'm not hearing impeared but have been doing deaf studies for the last 2 years in trinity college.

1. SIGN ON TELEVISION.

legal obligations in Britian ( british sign language) Irish televisions have no obligation to have ISL (Irish sign language) on television, hands on is the irish deaf program and is usually on on sunday mornings.

2. learning sign language.

good courses exist, try the ids or NAD for infomation, even the hearld has some ads for courses sometimes.

Umiq88

Isnt there subtitles on 777?? or 888?? so not much of a need for it

RainyDay

psittacosis wrote:

Isnt there subtitles on 777?? or 888?? so not much of a need for it

It is a mistake to equate sign language with subtitles. Irish Sign Language (ISL) is a language of its own. It is not a translation or symbology for English. For those with profound hearing impairments from birth, it is frequently their native language, and the language in which they are most comfortable communicating.

Blisterman wrote:

Whats the point of signing music videos in the first place?

Because may people with hearing impairments will still have some hearing, and may well be able to pick up the overall rhythm and style of the music.

paperclip

Agent smith, are there any deaf clubs or anything in trinity, I'd sure like to practice my signing? (I'm in trinity at the moment, I joined the sign language club and am looking around for someone to practice upon!)

The_Minister

Rovi wrote:

Jimmy Hill used to tell about how when he hosted Match of the Day, they were constantly getting letters from irate deaf viewers complaining about the foul language of the footballers. :rolleyes:

In america they blur out the mouth so that you don't know what was said.

Lord Oz

Surely subtitles are better, because they can but sound effects in with brackets, unless the sign guy waves his hands about when there's an explosion.

pvt. joker

do you not have subtitles in ireland

FranknFurter

A lot of (mainly older generation) deaf people may not have wonderful reading abilities due to the extremely poor standard of education that was provided for the deaf in this country until relatively recently.
So subtitles are not an option for every deaf person.

B

pvt. joker

FranknFurter wrote:

A lot of (mainly older generation) deaf people may not have wonderful reading abilities due to the extremely poor standard of education that was provided for the deaf in this country until relatively recently.
So subtitles are not an option for every deaf person.

B

hmmm....you learn something new everyday

vector

vector wrote:

http://www.handspeak.com/ ?

ASL (American Sign Language) != ISL (Irish Sign Language).

upthere

Keedowah wrote:

Whats the story with a lot of late night shows having a fella doing sign in the corner of the tv?

Comedian are you?:rolleyes:

Kold

Rovi wrote:

Jimmy Hill used to tell about how when he hosted Match of the Day, they were constantly getting letters from irate deaf viewers complaining about the foul language of the footballers. :rolleyes:

I was just thinking that when someone was saying the lipreading thing. Rooney must be a joy to watch for a deaf person ^_^