never lose with pocket twos'

jimbling

5/10NL 6 handed. Once again I'm playing ultra aggressive. playing and raising most pots preflop. Picking up my fair share, and having to drop a good share as well. The table is generally quite, and the preflop raiser is taking most pots on the flop.

The reason for this strategy is to get paid off well when you hit the deck. The following hand is against the bigstack at the table.
Villian: $3200
Hero: $1300

It's folded around to Hero on the Button with 22. Limps for 10. SB Folds and BB re-raises to 40. Hero calls.

Flop is 2 4 6.

Villain raises to $55

I'm pretty confident that villain has an overpair.... Whats the best way to extract the most money?

Gholimoli

That is a very good board for you .not only that you have it but its very likely that villain will not believe that you have hit it.
If you reraise him here his going to think you don’t believe he has any hand and are just using your position to take the pot away from him. This will result in him staying in the pot if he has any hand at all.
If he doesn’t have a hand then he is not gonna put more money in the pot on that board no matter what.

jimbling

Gholimoli wrote:

That is a very good board for you .not only that you have it but its very likely that villain will not believe that you have hit it.
If you reraise him here his going to think you don’t believe he has any hand and are just using your position to take the pot away from him. This will result in him staying in the pot if he has any hand at all.
If he doesn’t have a hand then he is not gonna put more money in the pot on that board no matter what.

indeed.... but the choice I have here it to raise on the flop, or wait for the turn. If I raise on the flop it may scare him because he may get worried about how much he will have to invest on later streets. This may let him away from the hand too early.... but it is also the best way to build the pot enough to double up through him.

If I just call this and raise on the turn (presuming he bets) then the pot is a bit bigger and more inticing. There is also only 1 more street.
And lastly, it may help him in some way... i.e. say he doesnt have an overpair... but AK/Q/J, then hitting one of those on the turn may convince him to put more money in.

fuzzbox

Dont limp in on the button with 22, what are you ... crazy?

If you call here, then hero might well put you on something like 88/77. Raising is certainly an option here, and you have to raise somewhere if you want to get the money in.

Sometimes I raise, sometimes I call - depending on villain.

Scouser in Dub

ok forgive my ignorance here but a genuine question

whats wrong with flat calling, I can't see that flop being any help to him and I can't see that he can think it has helped you, allowing a dangerous looking card on the turn to help him may allow you to get the money in if he bets/checks the turn with him trying to trap not knowing you already have a hand?

fuzzbox

Btw - if villain is any good, you should not double through him here.

fuzzbox

Scouser in Dub wrote:

ok forgive my ignorance here but a genuine question

whats wrong with flat calling, I can't see that flop being any help to him and I can't see that he can think it has helped you, allowing a dangerous looking card on the turn to help him may allow you to get the money in if he bets/checks the turn with him trying to trap not knowing you already have a hand?

Lets think about this for a second ....


You are in the BB with AhAd, the button open limps, the sb folds, and you make it 40 to play, the button calls.

Scenario 1:
Flop 642r, you bet 60, button calls.
What sort of hands do you believe that the button has?

Turn J, you bet 140, button makes it 350
What do you think button has now?

Scenario 2:
Flop 642r, you bet 60, button makes it 150 to play
What sort of hands do you believe button has now?


Scenario 3:
The button makes it 35 to go, and you make it 115 to play, button calls

A:
Flop 642r
You lead for 200, button goes all-in
What sort of hands do you think button has now?

B:
Flop 642r
You lead for 200, button calls
What sort of hands do you think button has now?

Scouser in Dub

My weakness I know and am here to learn but if I am the villain I don't think I wwould be betting 40 in the fear of scaring off someone who has limped from the button

though I can possibly see that limping on the button shows some strength as no attempt to steal has been made

jimbling

I normally would have raised on the button with 22. I just decided to call this time. And yes.... I am crazy.

Hand as follows:

I flat called the flop bet of 55.

turn: Q.

Vilain bets $125.
I raise to $325. Villain calls.
River is a 4d.
Villain checks. I bet $400.
Villain calls and soon mucks.

I know I got a decent amount off him, and I doubt I would have gotton any more if I played it differently. But I also think that it would have proved more difficult against a stronger player and might have needed more imagination.

fuzzbox

You got 800 off him with a super-strong line. He really needs to fold the turn or the river.

I think you got nicely paid.

If you are against some1 tuff, then raise flop, check turn and raise river is an interesting line.

or call flop, call turn, raise river is good too - cos ppl always expect to "hear from you" on the turn with a big hand.

Bandana boy

i like a flop push if you think villain has overpair

if you think he has AX i think as played is best expectation

fuzzbox

Bandana boy wrote:

i like a flop push if you think villain has overpair

rubbish.

Dont waste your set by doing this, on this board.

Gholimoli

Bandana boy wrote:

i like a flop push if you think villain has overpair

if you think he has AX i think as played is best expectation

this does not make sense at all.
first of all how do you know villain has an over pair or over cards?
i mean i love to know how you can distinguish so clearly between over pair or over cards based on a pre flop raise and flop lead on that board and go one step further and change your actions so drastically based (to push or just continue building the pot as normal)on this read.
even if you can tell whether villain has over pair here the stacks are too deep
to push here so chances are you end up getting him to fold and take the pot there. sounds like a bad play to me.

AmarilloFats

I like the way you played it post flop...
Preflop...open limping with 22 on the button!!:eek:

jimbling

fuzzbox wrote:

If you are against some1 tuff, then raise flop, check turn and raise river is an interesting line.

I like this line as well.... and I think with my image on the table that would have been the best play alright. thanks for the advice.

Bandana boy

Gholimoli wrote:

this does not make sense at all.
first of all how do you know villain has an over pair or over cards?

Its essentially about getting a read on a player
you dont have to like the play as only op will ever call so if you dont have a good read you shouldnt play it like this

But i think op will call here a lot and if you have good read i like it

pok3rplaya

I gree with pretty much everything Fuxx said here. Especially pf is the suck.