2 uninteresting cash hands. interested?

accensi0n

First Hand.

$.5/1

Barely any info on villian other than he has about 110 BB's and hasn't been very active.

Villain raises to 3.
I call from MP with AQs.
Just the two of us see the flop which comes J K A r. ($7.5)
He bets 4.
You?




Second hand.

$.5/1

Villain is a bad player. Has about 50 BB's.
He limps UTG. Folded around to small blind who completes. I raise to 6 with QQ. Villain calls. SB folds.
We see a flop of 2 A 2 r.
So I'm OOP against a bad player who could call a raise with a bad ace.
Whats the plan?

Check/call flop then Check/fold to a bet on the turn?
Continuation bet and slow way down if called?

Mr. Flibble

The 1st hand I'd call the flop bet and fold to a bet on the turn unless I make a straight.

Gholimoli

Hand 1:
call the flop bet and fold to any future bets unless you improve.

Hand 2:
lead the flop .if you get called then check/call the turn.you can check/call river depending on bet size as well.

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

Hand 1:
call the flop bet and fold to any future bets unless you improve.

Hand 2:
lead the flop .if you get called then check/call the turn.you can check/call river depending on bet size as well.

I dont like your hand 2 plan much.

Leading is ok, check/calling flop is ok.
I dont like lead, then c/c, then c/c though.

If villain is aggro, then c/c is prolly best, as he is likely to bet.
If villain is passive, then c/f could be your best plan as he prolly wont bet without an Ace.
If villain is easy to read then lead and dont put a dime more in if he calls/raises.

Mr. Flibble

fuzzbox wrote:

I dont like your hand 2 plan much.
If villain is aggro, then c/c is prolly best, as he is likely to bet.

If he is aggessive isn't acting weak going to make you have some difficult decisions as he's going to bet with or without the ace, regardless of kicker. Woud you ever bet in the hope of finishing the hand there, even though you have the best hand if he folds?

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

I dont like your hand 2 plan much.

Leading is ok, check/calling flop is ok.
I dont like lead, then c/c, then c/c though.

If villain is aggro, then c/c is prolly best, as he is likely to bet.
If villain is passive, then c/f could be your best plan as he prolly wont bet without an Ace.
If villain is easy to read then lead and dont put a dime more in if he calls/raises.

When you check/call the turn and check the river he will often bet here whether or not he has the A .the bet size could determine here whether you call or not .for example if he bets half the pot or less then your getting 3:1 or more on your money .i think villain will fire a second barrel with out the A at least on every 4 times so the call isn’t that bad.
Obviously read on villain could go along way in deciding if he has the A or not.

Gholimoli

Mr. Flibble wrote:

If he is aggessive isn't acting weak going to make you have some difficult decisions as he's going to bet with or without the ace, regardless of kicker. Woud you ever bet in the hope of finishing the hand there, even though you have the best hand if he folds?

If he is passive then when he bets you can be sure he has the A so your QQ is not good.
If he is aggressive then he bets with the A some times and other times he will try to represent A because you acted weak. the times he is representing the A with out having it you can get more out of him by letting him have a go at the pot.

fuzzbox

Mr. Flibble wrote:

If he is aggessive isn't acting weak going to make you have some difficult decisions as he's going to bet with or without the ace, regardless of kicker. Woud you ever bet in the hope of finishing the hand there, even though you have the best hand if he folds?

An aggro can float you here, or raise you here with a worse hand, knowing you need a big Ace to continue.

C/c gives the aggro some rope with which to hang himself.

Obv, you need to c/c with AK/AQ etc here too (at least some of the time).

accensi0n

Hand 1 I would call and fold to any further action. Think every one agrees on that.

Hand 2 I bet the flop. Check/call the turn based on betsize, check/fold to action on river unless I know he will bluff here.