What would you do here? [HH]

Fatboydim

Seat 1: IwantAroyal (5210 in chips)
Seat 2: SilverTarga (3050 in chips)
Seat 3: moona (3645 in chips)
Seat 4: morten (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: APCplayer (2900 in chips)
Seat 7: Best Mate (3545 in chips)
Seat 8: willo99 (4300 in chips)
Seat 9: Fatboydim (8800 in chips)
Fatboydim: posts small blind 15
IwantAroyal: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fatboydim [5h Qh]
SilverTarga: calls 30
moona: raises 120 to 150
morten: folds
APCplayer: folds
Best Mate: calls 150
willo99: folds
Fatboydim: calls 135
IwantAroyal: folds
SilverTarga: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [7d 9h 3h]
Fatboydim: checks
SilverTarga: checks
moona: bets 1350
Best Mate: folds
Fatboydim: calls 1350
SilverTarga: folds
*** TURN *** [7d 9h 3h] [6d]
Fatboydim: checks
moona: bets 2145 and is all-in

Do you call or fold. This is a $10 rebuy sat for the EPT.

DapperGent

Call.

Iago

Villian has overpair to the board, you have 14-15 outs (18 if they have JJ-TT, but I think they have AA-KK)

It's 2145 to win around 6.5K, and if you call and miss you still have more than enough to push on from where you are.

I call here, because if I lose I'm not in big trouble.

cooker3

Well I probably would have folded PF and probably raised all-in on flop but as played, getting decent odds considering your probably outs and seen as it's a re-buy satelite then I would call.

Fatboydim

This is how it panned out.

Fatboydim: calls 2145
*** RIVER *** [7d 9h 3h 6d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Fatboydim: shows [5h Qh] (a straight, Five to Nine)
moona: shows [9d 9s] (three of a kind, Nines)
Fatboydim collected 7620 from pot
SilverTarga said, "lol"


moona's hand was a lot stronger than I imagined. And because of it I had lost a number of outs. But I still think it was the right call under the circumstances. Given my chip lead and the cheap rebuys. I think in rebuy events you have to be prepared to see flops as cheaply as you can as so often it turns into an all in fest. So moona's raise was too small to make me fold a hand that if it hit would take down the pot.

fuzzbox

Your preflop call is simply atrocious, and your flop call is pretty bad too.

AmarilloFats

fuzzbox wrote:

Your preflop call is simply atrocious, and your flop call is pretty bad too.

And all that coupled with the fact u smell like a monkey.......

Bandana boy

And you look like one 2

Bandana boy

All kidding aside pre flop call is bad but i can live with that
Flop call is the real killer you called 2* pot on a non nut draw
Turn call is standard once you got there

Fatboydim

Well I went on to win that tournament and I won the 10k on PPP later that night. My record on rebuy tournaments in general is very good. It's certainly not the way I play FO. And I think it's an important point. Were it a more expensive rebuy I'm not sure I'd play it the same way... But this is very early in the game as you can tell from the blinds. It also has the added advantage that when it's called down everyone thinks you're a fish or a nutter. Works for me

I'm calling on the flop knowing I'm behind. But also confident that if a heart hits I have the best hand. The only thing I have to be carefull of is if the board pairs. You also have to look at the initial call and have a plan for the hand. I'm calling on the basis that I want to hit a flush. In that respect I get what I want on the flop. Four to a flush. So the call on the flop is already a given. Even if the player goes all in. The reason for this is that in rebuys you have to have a target amount to reach by the end of the rebuy stage. On Stars you start with 1500 in chips.... Look how high the chip counts are already. I win this pot I'm in a great position. I lose I've still got the average stack. It's a no brainer.

And fats you gotta stop sniffing monkeys... It's not healthy.

valor

PF sucks bad

fuzzbox

Why are you bothering to ask questions about your play if your whole strategy is: Call preflop with any two suited cards, and then call off your stack getting improper odds if you flop any sort of draw.

You dont need us to execute that strategy.

ArmaniJeanss

Fatboydim wrote:

You also have to look at the initial call and have a plan for the hand. I'm calling on the basis that I want to hit a flush. In that respect I get what I want on the flop. Four to a flush. So the call on the flop is already a given. Even if the player goes all in. The reason for this is that in rebuys you have to have a target amount to reach by the end of the rebuy stage.

I can't accept this logic Len - calling bets with bad pot odds is almost never the correct thing to do.
I don't play a lot of rebuys but I would be stunned if 'playing hands badly in the hope you can donk someone' is a valid tactic.

Fatboydim

Am I not allowed to ask questions?

I'll play the way I wish to play and you will play the way you wish to play. It's usefull to get an idea of what and how others might play.

There's nothing wrong in that.

You seem to think that I will always play Q5 suited. Not so. I played it that time that way. And have outlined my reasons for doing so.

If everyone played ABC poker it would be very boring indeed... and I really hope you're not that predictable a player are you???

So what's your problem Fuzzbox?

Gholimoli

If you take the hand in isolation then its played poorly .
However this is during the rebuy period, which dictates a total different strategy than what would be deemed acceptable or good play.
You need to build a stack during this period to allow you to play after the rebuy.
For this reason your main goal is to build that stack.this includes taking those long shots and drawing when you don’t have odds etc.
Having said that Len I would still rather a push there than just calling bets.
Also it depends on my current stack size and whether or not im with in the starting stack range or way above it.

Fatboydim

The way I see it Armani... Is the important decision here is the first one... whether or not to play the hand. Now it's not a hand I play very often... but there are other things to consider. Firstly the hands that I had played up to that point. Up to that point in the game I had only got to showdown with the best hands. So having not played a hand for a while I decided to play the Q5. Having then flopped four to a flush is this not what I want? I would be more cautious if there were three hearts on the board because then someone could stay in with an ace or a king. But as it was the pattern of betting told me that moona was afraid of the flush. Therefore if a third heart hits I'm in the lead. Had I not picked up the extra outs of the str8 draw on the turn I probably would have folded on the turn to the all in bet. By now I had a fair idea that we were talking about an overpair, two pair or set. So a str8 would win for me too. It's early enough in the rebuy period to warrant this kind of a move. Later - closer to the break then no.

One of the problems you have with rebuy tournaments of course is that there are many more risks taken at this juncture.

I'm certainly not asking for a pat on the back or anything by the way... Just interested in how others percieve it. It's interesting to note that the responses before I posted the result were positive - and after posting the result negative. I wonder what that says about human nature.

fuzzbox

Sorry FatboyDim, I take it all back - you are great, and this hand is a lesson to us all.

Much apologies for my disgraceful behavious in this thread.

Fatboydim

Gholi!!!! How's it going?

I knew you'd understand where I'm coming from lol. As it was I considered pushing on the flop but having observed the player I knew that they were strong. Therefore I doubted that pushing would get them off the flop. It also must be stated that I was happy enough to lose. I would have had 5155 chips left, moona would be table CL on 7620. Plenty of ammo. But If I won... I'd have 12,775 with the closest rival at 5180. And it also brings more chips to the table as moona rebuys. Ergo more chips to win later. I don't think I ever lost my position as Chip leader in the tournament after that hand.

Fatboydim

Jeez Fuzzbox how old are you?

Gholimoli

Fatboydim wrote:

Gholi!!!! How's it going?

I knew you'd understand where I'm coming from lol. As it was I considered pushing on the flop but having observed the player I knew that they were strong. Therefore I doubted that pushing would get them off the flop. It also must be stated that I was happy enough to lose. I would have had 5155 chips left, moona would be table CL on 7620. Plenty of ammo. But If I won... I'd have 12,775 with the closest rival at 5180. And it also brings more chips to the table as moona rebuys. Ergo more chips to win later. I don't think I ever lost my position as Chip leader in the tournament after that hand.

whats the craic big man?
when you decide to play the hand then it comes down to maximizing your chances of winning the pot .calling here does not to that.no matter how strong he is pushing has more chance of getting off the hand than calling his bets so by pushing you always have more than one way of winning the hand no matter how small a difference between the two.
god i miss thoes rebuy periods and cracking AA with my 83 soooooooted.

Fatboydim

Gholimoli wrote:

no matter how strong he is pushing has more chance of getting off the hand than calling his bets so by pushing you always have more than one way of winning the hand no matter how small a difference between the two.
god i miss thoes rebuy periods and cracking AA with my 83 soooooooted.

Lol... Yes I agree - except knowing this player I know he wont fold. So surely in this particular case I'm getting the same result seeing the turn. But 99% of the time I agree a push is better as it gives you two chances.

Other than that I'm very well thank you and have had a nice couple of results on line recently. Though still pissed off at losing heads up for the WSOP ticket.

Fatboydim

fuzzbox wrote:

Sorry FatboyDim, I take it all back - you are great, and this hand is a lesson to us all.

Much apologies for my disgraceful behavious in this thread.

BTW Fuzzbox that's really not what I am about at all. If you had met me or played against me you'd know that. One thing I said when PPP aproached me about doing a column was that I wouldn't want to write one about how to play. Quite frankly I'm not good enough to tell other people how to play. I can only offer an opinion... and I value other peoples opinions. Doesn't mean I have to agree with them.

So I'm not sure why you're demonstrating such ire when I explain how and why I played the hand the way I did.

So we'll agree to disagree and hopefully you'll have the last laugh when we meet at the tables one day.

Gholimoli

Fatboydim wrote:

Lol... Yes I agree - except knowing this player I know he wont fold. So surely in this particular case I'm getting the same result seeing the turn. But 99% of the time I agree a push is better as it gives you two chances.

Other than that I'm very well thank you and have had a nice couple of results on line recently. Though still pissed off at losing heads up for the WSOP ticket.

its not just getting him to fold Len.seen as our intention is to build the stack then we want the most possible from this hand.what if the third flush hits and he decides not to pay any more?
you have a draw which your happy enough to play for the remaining stack of villain.get it all in there .

nice to hear your doing well.
let us know when your in dub next we go out for another meeting in a final table.:D

Fatboydim

gotta come down soon ... It's been too long. You going to the Macau at all for the festival?

Gholimoli

Fatboydim wrote:

gotta come down soon ... It's been too long. You going to the Macau at all for the festival?

i might ,dont know .its this month isnt it?