Kickboxing advice

funkymonk

Hello I'm thinking about joing kick boxing for the fitness and skill factor.

I don't fancy getting getting kicked in the head often though. Seriously. What are the differences between the types on contact, semi and light perhaps I could pick one that would not be too sore.

Any advice appreciated!

dlofnep

Sparring is an important part of training. You shouldn't be getting kicked in the head all the time in sparring though.

Also you mention skill factor? Your technical ability will be worthless without proper sparring. If you want to go to a kickboxing gym, go to one where you'll test your abilities, increase cardio and be able to test yourself in a realistic sparring enviroment.

If this isn't your cup of tea, play football or try some martial art that doesn't involve sparring.

Mola.mola

where you live? they do kickboxing the way you describe it in smithfield.

funkymonk

In waterford at the moment. Thinking of joining here http://www.waterfordmartialarts.com/ind.php

they have a beginners night, so that might be for me.

BTW where can you get gum shields? thanks

dlofnep

One of my friends trained there - he said it was ok, but more of a fitness orientated place more than anything.. Probably what you are looking for.

corkimp

I did kickboxing in cork - CIT to be exact with BMA (bushido martial arts) with a trainer named Colin o shaunessy. Unfortunately between college, work and then training i was too run down (and unfit!!) to carry on which I now regret. I recieved my first belt (think white or whatever cant remember) and enjoyed it. But wondering what I can do to get into that frame of mind and fitness before i go back. would appreciate any info thanks.

RealJohn

funkymonk wrote:

BTW where can you get gum shields? thanks

Any sports shop ought to have them (probably somewhere down the back behind the racks upon racks of women's clothes).

pma-ire

corkimp wrote:

I did kickboxing in cork - CIT to be exact with BMA (bushido martial arts) with a trainer named Colin o shaunessy. Unfortunately between college, work and then training i was too run down (and unfit!!) to carry on which I now regret. I recieved my first belt (think white or whatever cant remember) and enjoyed it. But wondering what I can do to get into that frame of mind and fitness before i go back. would appreciate any info thanks.

Hi corkimp,

I used to know Colin years ago back in his TKD days! (tough it seems that he is still at the TKD on the side )

Colin has a few clubs around Cork City! Try google him and find his club in Mayfield? I live in Mayfield but don't know where he is training there??

yomchi

funkymonk wrote:

In waterford at the moment. Thinking of joining here http://www.waterfordmartialarts.com/ind.php

they have a beginners night, so that might be for me.

BTW where can you get gum shields? thanks

John McGrath is a nice guy and a good coach. I met him a few months ago. I think he does the light contact with AKAI.

pma-ire

funkymonk wrote:

In waterford at the moment. Thinking of joining here http://www.waterfordmartialarts.com/ind.php

they have a beginners night, so that might be for me.

BTW where can you get gum shields? thanks

Just to back up what Jon sais there!

John Mc Grath is a sound guy and I'm sure will be able to put you through your paces

Black Swan

funkymonk wrote:

Hello I'm thinking about joing kick boxing for the fitness and skill factor.

I don't fancy getting getting kicked in the head often though. Seriously. What are the differences between the types on contact, semi and light perhaps I could pick one that would not be too sore.

Before and during early TKD, I did a little kick boxing, and have had a bout or two in all of the following. Of course, the rules will sometimes vary by tournament...

Semi-contact points is essentially playing tag, although you can get hit in the head on occasion. Most popular in the States of those mentioned in this list. If in a bout, you win by points.

Full Contact. Punches and kicks above the belt. Count on getting hit hard in the head on occasion. If in a bout, you win by KO or TKO.

International. Punches and kicks above and below the belt. Leg sweeps and kicks behind the knees are normally permitted. If in a bout, you win by KO or TKO.

Vale Tudo. Punches, kicks, elbows, knees, head butts, grappling, etc., above and below the belt. Portugese for "anything goes" and popular in Brasil. If in a bout, you win by KO or TKO. Fought once this way in Sao Paulo using mostly kicks, punches, hard blocks, and won (but will never again fight this style). We were both injured. Took me weeks to heal. Didn't like myself afterwards.

dlofnep

Vale Tudo is not kickboxing. :rolleyes:

Where did you compete? What event?

Black Swan

dlofnep wrote:

Vale Tudo is not kickboxing. :rolleyes:

Where did you compete? What event?

Technically you are correct. Was a little younger and a lot more foolish! The fight was in Sao Paulo, Brasil. This particular event was co-hosted by IKF (so I thought I was qualified), I got a sponsor to pay, and took off for my first trip to So America without having any idea what I was in for. Sorry I can't provide you with more specific details, but my anonymity on boards at this time is important for reasons I can't share.

Mola.mola

are you a girl blue lagoon?

loz

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Technically you are correct. Was a little younger and a lot more foolish! The fight was in Sao Paulo, Brasil. This particular event was co-hosted by IKF (so I thought I was qualified), I got a sponsor to pay, and took off for my first trip to So America without having any idea what I was in for. Sorry I can't provide you with more specific details, but my anonymity on boards at this time is important for reasons I can't share.

rofl

loz

Mola.mola wrote:

are you a girl blue lagoon?

Rofl kev - Either that or hes a doorman ex navy seal - and doesn't want to ruin sales of his combatives dvd ( which he makes via his webcam when his mum isnt watching ) by giving his actual experience away !

Black Swan

Mola.mola wrote:

are you a girl blue lagoon?

You've put on a little weight? 78kg at Cambridge and 81kg at B&I? Increasing muscle mass? If so, how? Or maybe just poor scale calibration?

Black Swan

loz wrote:

Rofl kev - Either that or hes a doorman ex navy seal - and doesn't want to ruin sales of his combatives dvd ( which he makes via his webcam when his mum isnt watching ) by giving his actual experience away !

"Blue Lagoon?" the ring master calls into the pool at Sea World in So Cal.

"Bark, bark!" one seal slips up out of the pool and slides to the ring master's feet. Sits up and claps it's flippers. Gets a sardine for its demonstration, and the audience laughs.

Then another seal jumps from the pool, barks, and slides over to join the first one at the ring master's feet. Although the ring master nods his head from side to side, he gives a sardine to the second seal, after it too claps.

The ring master turns to the audience, shrugs, and asks, "Which one is Blue Lagoon?"

"Bark, bark!" responds the first one.

"Bark, bark!" quickly follows the second one.

The ring master pulls at his chin, as he looks from one seal to the other. Turns to the audience, "Could they both have the same name and live in the same blue lagoon? If so, how can we tell them apart?"

"Look mister!" a kid in the front row shouts. "Look at the black belt each is wearing," stops to catch his breath. "One has one gold stripe on its belt, and the other has two!"

"Very good kid!" proclaims the ring master as he throws a sardine to the child. Which he promptly swallows, licking his lips, to the horror of his Mam sitting nearby.

"Hummmmmmm?" ponders the ring master in stage whisper to the audience as he looks at the two seals. Then his face brightens. He calls to the seals, "Blue Lagoon I-dan."

"Bark, bark!" answers the first seal. Gets a sardine, swallows it, but wrinkles it's nose and sticks it's tongue out. The second seal remains silent.

"Blue Lagoon II-dan," the ring master yells.

"Bark, bark!" responds the second seal. It too gets a sardine, but does not act silly like the first one.

The ring master turns to the audience, spreads his arms and hands out to his sides and smiles, "We now know the mystery. Two seals live together in the same blue lagoon, but one has one gold stripe and the other has two."

"Mister ring master," calls out loz from the audience. "Can you get them to perform for me?"

"Sorry, loz," the ring master sadly replies. "The show is over for today. But as a consolation prize, have a sardine."

loz

Erm ?? The parable of the seals ? and it means ??

Sorry lost me,

columok

Moi aussi...

Millionaire

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Semi-contact points is essentially playing tag, although you can get hit in the head on occasion. Most popular in the States of those mentioned in this list. If in a bout, you win by points.
.

I hate when people call this points stuff kickboxing. This is was in the 80s called "Sports Karate" in the states. ( a game of snakes & ladders would be more dangerous). for some reasons in Ireland the "points sports karate" people hijacked the name kickboxing for this stuff.

Ok, its ok for fun and for a sport.

Real kickboxing is Full Contact Style (either leg or no leg kick). simple as that!!

Black Swan

Millionaire wrote:

I hate when people call this points stuff kickboxing. This is was in the 80s called "Sports Karate" in the states. ( a game of snakes & ladders would be more dangerous). for some reasons in Ireland the "points sports karate" people hijacked the name kickboxing for this stuff.

Ok, its ok for fun and for a sport.

Real kickboxing is Full Contact Style (either leg or no leg kick). simple as that!!

Millionaire, a lot of MA people would agree with you, but it is a style that occurs in some IKF affiliated tournaments. It could be worse, too. Just think of "kickboxing aerobics" which I did not list, but is even more popular in the States than semi-contact points like in fitness gyms all over the country, 24-Hour Fitness to name just one nation-wide operation with probably hundreds of sites.

Another thing that girls have to worry about... They have to look good for most men. If you compete long enough in kickboxing full-contact or International rules, there is a very good chance you will get your nose broke (among other things), and maybe more than once. Depending upon the damage done and the treatment that follows, a lot of guys will reject such girls strictly based on looks. I would not think you this shallow from reading some of your past posts, but just check out the frequent threads on these boards (AH forum) that appear monthly, just like clockwork, about "ugly" girls, bla, bla, bla. Many girls might want to take up kickboxing for sport, fitness, or perhaps SD, but few will progress to full-contact or International rules for fear of getting trashed and then rejected. :rolleyes: Just a thought.

dlofnep

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Technically you are correct.

Indeed.

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Was a little younger and a lot more foolish! The fight was in Sao Paulo, Brasil. This particular event was co-hosted by IKF (so I thought I was qualified), I got a sponsor to pay, and took off for my first trip to So America without having any idea what I was in for. Sorry I can't provide you with more specific details, but my anonymity on boards at this time is important for reasons I can't share.

No offense, but it sounds a little fishy. Vale Tudo (Or MMA as we call it these days) is quite common in brazil, but I'm not sold you competed there.

Clive

dlofnep wrote:

Vale Tudo (Or MMA as we call it these days) is quite common in brazil

Vale Tudo and MMA two different things.

Black Swan

dlofnep wrote:

No offense, but it sounds a little fishy. Vale Tudo (Or MMA as we call it these days) is quite common in brazil, but I'm not sold you competed there.

I competed. You can believe what you like.:rolleyes:

loz

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Millionaire, "ugly" girls, bla, bla, bla. Many girls might want to take up kickboxing for sport, fitness, or perhaps SD, but few will progress to full-contact or International rules for fear of getting trashed and then rejected. :rolleyes: Just a thought.

I thought you were WTF - thats FC, and iv'e seen plenty of broken noses at WTF tournies.

Think Diana Lopez is ugly ?

loz

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Are you speaking to Blue_Lagoon? If so, "Whoa!" Blue Lagoon blushes and wipes her forehead with the sleeve of her debok.

Sorry Didnt realise you were a chick, just with you almost knowing what your talking about n all

Black Swan

loz wrote:

Sorry Didnt realise you were a chick, just with you almost knowing what your talking about n all

Yes, I am just a lowly, wet behind the ears WTF 1-dan, who has done a few tournaments, but has a lifetime ahead to learn MA as well as you.

I guess this means you didn't understand or like the earlier seal parody on this thread?

dlofnep

Clive wrote:

Vale Tudo and MMA two different things.

No they are not. All MMA orgs employ different rules, different countries also employ different rules. Vale Tudo & MMA are the exact same thing. Vale Tudo involves all the same ranges of MMA.. Vale Tudo is more lenient in rules, but at the end of the day - It's still MMA. Both fighters still use mixed martial arts. NHB/Vale Tudo/MMA - Same thing, different packaging. It's like amatuer boxing and professional boxing. One is more safer than the other but both stem back to the exact same principles. Mixed Martial Arts is a very loose term as it is. It just means a mixture of martial arts.

Roper

Clive,
Sit still, stop chewing gum, pay attention. :rolleyes: ^^

dlofnep

Stop trolling Roper.

loz

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Yes, I am just a lowly, wet behind the ears WTF 1-dan, who has done a few tournaments,

So you = WFT
WFT = FullContact

you said FullContact makes you ugly so

are you ugly ?


and no dont understand teh seal parable earlier - but maybe its just a spam thing

Black Swan

loz wrote:

and no dont understand teh seal parable earlier - but maybe its just a spam thing

I wrote a parody, not a parable. There is a difference. If you are interested, read a little of Jonathan Swift, in particular, "A Modest Proposal." You may find it to your taste.

Ridire_Dubh

TKO !

columok

Blue Lagoon,

May I offer a slight critique on your parable/parody. It was somewhat ponderous and, to push the alliterative nature of my post, seemingly pointless.

Personally I didn't grasp the core message of the text. Whether this reflects more on me as a reader or you as a writer is unresolved, however I feel that your reluctance to be succinct with your points is to the detriment of what might be an incredibly valid and interesting argument. Emphasis, of course, on the word might.

loz

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

I wrote a parody, not a parable. There is a difference. If you are interested, read a little of Jonathan Swift, in particular, "A Modest Proposal." You may find it to your taste.

Thanks Blue ! Is it a soppy girly love story ? - I love those !!!


ps. im not irish so doen't effect me - although your dig may not go down so well on this board. However if hungry enough i'd pretty much eat anything...

Black Swan

columok wrote:

Blue Lagoon,

May I offer a slight critique on your parable/parody. It was somewhat ponderous and, to push the alliterative nature of my post, seemingly pointless.

Personally I didn't grasp the core message of the text.

lol There's always a critic in my profession. If you don't understand it, ask mod Tar for a translation. He'll get a good laugh. Obviously, it was thrown together in very few minutes and has its imperfections. After all, this is only a casual boards posting and not drafted for publication. Oh, I see you like to "P"? Perhaps there's something you could learn from the US Marine Corps "6 P's"?

loz

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

the US Marine Corps "6 P's"?

Try British Army as the source of this - probably 2 hundred years before you guys started your Indian Cull.

FiannaGym.com

This thread is gas!

Never before have I seen such a concentration of posters all trying to sound more intelligent and informed than they actually are! Deadly.

Peace

loz

FiannaGym.com wrote:

This thread is gas!

Never before have I seen such a concentration of posters all trying to sound more intelligent and informed than they actually are! Deadly.

Peace

I am clever ! - Nearly won trivial pursuits at xmas last year - but was pipped to the post by the father in law ! - Beaten by a single green cheese - wasnt happy,

Got my own back in Pictionary however !!! - Rolf eat ya heart out !

columok

There's always a critic in my profession.

The same for me.

After all, this is only a casual boards posting and not drafted for publication.

And yet your "casual boards posting" appears to have eskewed witty jibes for a muddled, ill conceived parodic fable that clamours at the feet of Aesop as it rolls around in a pile of its own self indulgent excrement.

Perhaps there's something you could learn from the US Marine Corps "6 P's"?

I think we've all had enough of US Imperialism without the need for your Corps to act as a muse for my postings. Thank you all the same.

ninjawitatitude

Please describe the debate on boards.ie in 25 words or less, for those who are unsure of what it's all about.

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Never before have I seen such a concentration of posters all trying to sound more intelligent and informed than they actually are! Deadly.

Peace

Pearse, go to the top of the class.

In fact thats my sig now. Excellent!

columok

Never before have I seen such a concentration of posters all trying to sound more intelligent and informed than they actually are! Deadly.

Maybe. Or maybe it's mutual antagonism on a similar purposefully pretentious and long winded level. Who can say.

Clouseau

The OP asked for "kickboxing advice." When are you boys going to stop playing with the girl and get back on task?

Clive

dlofnep wrote:

No they are not. All MMA orgs employ different rules, different countries also employ different rules. Vale Tudo & MMA are the exact same thing. Vale Tudo involves all the same ranges of MMA.. Vale Tudo is more lenient in rules, but at the end of the day - It's still MMA. Both fighters still use mixed martial arts. NHB/Vale Tudo/MMA - Same thing, different packaging. It's like amatuer boxing and professional boxing. One is more safer than the other but both stem back to the exact same principles. Mixed Martial Arts is a very loose term as it is. It just means a mixture of martial arts.

That's like saying soccer and gaelic are the same thing, just that gaelic allows a few more things.

The convention of the difference between NHB/Vale Tudo and MMA is well known.

dlofnep

Clive wrote:

That's like saying soccer and gaelic are the same thing, just that gaelic allows a few more things.

The convention of the difference between NHB/Vale Tudo and MMA is well known.

No it's not Clive. Soccer and Gaelic are two different sports. I think my comparison of amatuer boxing and boxing was more accurate. NHB/Vale Tudo employs the same moves as MMA, same ranges.. It's the same thing, just less rules.. be as systematic and nitpicky about it as you want.

FiannaGym.com

I'm with Clive.

If a premoter said "hey its pro MMA rules" I'd have a good idea what he meant and probably reply with "Elbows? Kicking a downed op?"

If he said "Hey its Vale Tudo" I'd say... "Can I wear gloves?".

While they are contested in the same ranges, usually by the same athletes, amongst fighters the difference is well known. Even if it is only a convention amonsgt fighters.

Peace