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Insomnia?/Tips for good sleep

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,926 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I have the occasional bout of insomnia. I am the early waking sufferer. Can drop off no problem.

    So when this happens and there is no way I can go back to sleep, up I get and have a glass of milk and a biscuit. ZZZZZ after. I figure maybe my blood sugar was low or something.

    Another thing that works for me (when I am too lazy/cold to get up out the warm bed when I wake) is to drop a fizzy multivitam into a small glass of water. Has to be one with magnesium in it (Aldi do a great one). ZZZZZZ.

    Now the above tricks don't ALWAYS work, but most of the time they do. If they don't work, I listen to podcasts in the dark under the covers. It might take some time but I always drop off eventually.

    Sleeplessness is awful, and is a very underrated condition for many.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭masterK


    I never realised this forum existed. I've read most of this thread and have tried most of the stuff mentioned at one time or another without any success. My problem is I can fall asleep in no time but I always wake about about 3am and quite often don't get back to sleep at all or get back off 2 hours later but then only sleep for another hour or so.

    I exercise most days, I'm pretty shattered every evening going to bed. I don't smoke, don't drink much and have a reasonably healthy diet and rarely eat within an hour of bed. I'm not overweight. I don't really stress about too much and I'm not depressed.

    When I wake I feel absolutely wide awake, as if I've slept for 10 hours when it's only be 3 or 4. My brain does be going at a millions miles an hour, it's usually all rubbish. I've lost count of the amount of times I've solved Man Utds formation problems at 3am! It's usually from around lunch time onwards that the tiredness really starts to hit me, I find it hard to focus.

    I haven't tried taking any supplements such as Melatonin, I'm always a bit wary of them.

    Any advice welcome


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,236 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    masterK wrote: »
    I always wake about about 3am and quite often don't get back to sleep at all or get back off 2 hours later but then only sleep for another hour or so.
    I often wake up for some reason at about 3AM, and really don't know why. I used to fight it, tossing and turning in bed. Now I get up and do something (research, class preps, chat on boards, games, etc.). When I tire, I go back to sleep.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭masterK


    Black Swan wrote: »
    I often wake up for some reason at about 3AM, and really don't know why. I used to fight it, tossing and turning in bed. Now I get up and do something (research, class preps, chat on boards, games, etc.). When I tire, I go back to sleep.

    I've tried that, the problem is the more I try to get up quietly the more clumsy I become and end up waking my wife who when awoken at 3AM isn't the slightest bit concerned for my predicament.:)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,236 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    masterK wrote: »
    I've tried that, the problem is the more I try to get up quietly the more clumsy I become and end up waking my wife who when awoken at 3AM isn't the slightest bit concerned for my predicament.:)
    Fortunately my flatmate is a sound sleeper, so I can sneak out to the living room at 3AM closing doors and work without disturbing her. If I get sleepy, I can fold up in our easy chair.


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    Warm tub. Works.


  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭pat k


    I work shift hours, so the morning shift is 8 am - 4pm, evening shift is 4pm-12am and the night shift is 12am-8am sleep fine on all the shifts bar the Morning shift grrrrr can be a total disaster for me , funny thing is tho I do not be tired it tends to be just my eyes that get sore, and my record for staying awake (actually not able to sleep) is 39 hrs .


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    pat k wrote: »
    I work shift hours, so the morning shift is 8 am - 4pm, evening shift is 4pm-12am and the night shift is 12am-8am sleep fine on all the shifts bar the Morning shift grrrrr can be a total disaster for me , funny thing is tho I do not be tired it tends to be just my eyes that get sore, and my record for staying awake (actually not able to sleep) is 39 hrs .
    If shifts vary. No sleep pattern.


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    MOD: Unstickying to see if posts increase.


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    Heavy daily exercise.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    I've tried almost everything listed here (and a lot more!) but my insomnia shows no sign of improving. Guess I'm stuck with it for the rest of my life.:o

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



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    el diablo wrote: »
    I've tried almost everything listed here (and a lot more!) but my insomnia shows no sign of improving. Guess I'm stuck with it for the rest of my life.:o
    Diet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Fathom wrote: »
    Diet?

    My diet's pretty good. Pretty sure that's not the cause.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



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    el diablo wrote: »
    My diet's pretty good. Pretty sure that's not the cause.
    Eating & drinking habits? When eaten or drank, not what. Late snacks?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Fathom wrote: »
    Eating & drinking habits? When eaten or drank, not what. Late snacks?

    I rarely eat late snacks. And I don't drink coffee after 3pm. My diet's not the cause.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



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    Holistic approach? Meditation? Tai chi lessons?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Fathom wrote: »
    Holistic approach? Meditation? Tai chi lessons?

    I've tried meditation but never really stuck it out. Maybe I should give it another try....

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



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    el diablo wrote: »
    I've tried meditation but never really stuck it out. Maybe I should give it another try....
    Friend says it helps.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,926 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Over the counter drowsy anti histamines are brilliant like Piriton or others with similar ingredients. Take the lowest dose possible and see how it works for you. Totally non addictive, and then zzzzz


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6 SteveCloony


    Maintenance Insomnia: is when you wake up one or more times during the night for no particular reason, or wake very early, unable to get back to sleep. This can happen because of insufficient physical exercise during the day, or too much.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    el diablo wrote: »
    I've tried almost everything listed here (and a lot more!) but my insomnia shows no sign of improving. Guess I'm stuck with it for the rest of my life.:o

    Acceptance can open doors. Often the worry is the cause of the problem. I have no sleep pattern and just sleep when I can and never worry. Had a good sleep earlier then woke and have been happily occupied. Soon will sleep again. Used to worry me as I am chronically ill and need sleep. But when I stopped fretting, it got easier.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭CBear1993


    Anyone tried buying melatonin supplement ? Someone mentioned to me about my circadian rhythm being off if I have trouble sleeping for a month now


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    CBear1993 wrote: »
    Anyone tried buying melatonin supplement ? Someone mentioned to me about my circadian rhythm being off if I have trouble sleeping for a month now

    It's worth a try but make sure you only take it in small dosages (less than 5mg). Taking it too regularly can affect your own ability to produce melatonin.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 957 ✭✭✭80j2lc5y7u6qs9


    el diablo wrote: »
    It's worth a try but make sure you only take it in small dosages (less than 5mg). Taking it too regularly can affect your own ability to produce melatonin.
    Can you recommend a brand


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Can you recommend a brand
    I don't think it's available over the counter in Ireland (I live overseas) which is completely ridiculous. Maybe you can order it online on iHerb etc.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    el diablo wrote: »
    I don't think it's available over the counter in Ireland (I live overseas) which is completely ridiculous. Maybe you can order it online on iHerb etc.

    Too much bluescreen time (Tv/PC/iphone/games) actively interferes with your sleeping patterns and ability to produce and regulate melatonin. . I’d start there before meddling with potions. Says he typing & still on the internet at 4am !!!

    https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/should-you-use-night-mode-to-reduce-blue-light

    Their counterpart Irish organisation issued a report and press release a few years back saying how damaging it was & were extremely concerned about childrens useage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Too much bluescreen time (Tv/PC/iphone/games) actively interferes with your sleeping patterns and ability to produce and regulate melatonin. . I’d start there before meddling with potions. Says he typing & still on the internet at 4am !!!

    https://www.aao.org/eye-health/tips-prevention/should-you-use-night-mode-to-reduce-blue-light

    Their counterpart Irish organisation issued a report and press release a few years back saying how damaging it was & were extremely concerned about childrens useage.

    Yeah, blue-blocker glasses and the f.lux app on Windows or Blue Light Filter on Android are useful.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    At my wits end, went 4 nights without sleep and had to take a Xanax to get about 5 hours then the night after another sleepless night. A lot of stress in the last 6 to 8 weeks so thats definitely the cause. I cut out tea and coffee completely, eat healthy, don't eat past 6pm. At what stage does this get dangerous? As in if I don't sleep tonight do I need to go see a doctor? My brain is frizzled, difficult to piece thoughts together at times. I tried guided meditation on Spotify on google home beside the bed but not sure about that, don't think its for everyone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭el diablo


    At my wits end, went 4 nights without sleep and had to take a Xanax to get about 5 hours then the night after another sleepless night. A lot of stress in the last 6 to 8 weeks so thats definitely the cause. I cut out tea and coffee completely, eat healthy, don't eat past 6pm. At what stage does this get dangerous? As in if I don't sleep tonight do I need to go see a doctor? My brain is frizzled, difficult to piece thoughts together at times. I tried guided meditation on Spotify on google home beside the bed but not sure about that, don't think its for everyone.

    Have you tried magnesium or melatonin? it's probably a good idea to switch off your modem at night time as EMFs can be harmful. It's better to download the meditations rather than playing then online while you're trying to sleep. Working on the cause of your stress should probably be your top priority. Anyway, good luck.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 957 ✭✭✭80j2lc5y7u6qs9


    Glass or two of red wine puts me sound a sleep and wakes up all energetic in the morning. Is this normal?
    It worked for me for a while. It was white i used. Now not so much sometimes after not having for a while it does


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