Poker Beyond Hold'Em

luckylucky

I know there are plenty of people killing the online cash games in hold'em.
I suspect though I am a relative newbie to Omaha that there are people doing very well here also.
I recently 'learned' Pot Limit Omaha and believe it has also benefitted my hold'em game though the cost of the learning is still smarting and time permitting I would like to become competent(ish anyway) at more games both because I just love poker and also I think learning different forms of poker can help you at your main game.

So with that in mind, what do people recommend, which do you think provide the greatest edge for the skilled player, do you think Hi-Lo games offer a biggger or lesser opportunity to make money? Also outside of Hold'Em, Omaha and possibly Stud!? is there enough opportunities online to make decent money in other games, for that matter is Stud a viable game online, I haven't played Stud in years and long before I became the 'seriousish' hold em player that I am now so I really don't know.
Also what games do you think are just proper good fun?

Do certain games favour different attributes?

Any of u play games like Crazy Pineapple or Draw online or any other game outside of the big 3?

Sinfonia

The following is mainly from an offline perspective.
For a second game, Omaha is probably your best bet as it's the biggest in Europe. I've never played live stud in Ireland, but it's bigger in America, particularly the east. Even in the dealer's choice games in the Merrion stud wasn't an option, it was holdem, omaha, 5card omaha, 6card omaha, pineapple, crazy pineapple, and irish holdem, which imo, are all fairly sh:eek:t except for hold'em and regular 4card omaha.

omaha is also probably the easiest for a hold'em player to learn because of the blinds, community cards etc. while stud is a different style of game with antes, no community cards, no dealer button etc.
I like HiLo games, but i'm barely experienced in them so i won't make any comments.
Deuce-to-seven draw lowball and 2-7 triple draw (you can find that on 24hpoker.com) are the popular draw games, but again, it's hard to find a live game for them.
5 card draw and 5 card stud are fairly obsolete these days, so i wouldn't expect them to be very profitable.

and if you don't already play all forms of hold'em (limit, pot limit, no limit) i would suggest those because although they are the same basic game, they're a different animal as they say.
hope that helps

careca

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=225837&referrerid=59211&highlight=banana

that and the one with your two hole cards stuck to your forehead. We got Lafortezza to fold AA preflop on that one.

boba_fett3099

I think the hi/lo games offer a bigger edge to the good players and a good hi/lo player will rarely have a losing session. They'll also have less fluctuations in their bankroll AFAIK. Speaking of stud online i was watching 1000/2000 stud game on Full tilt with John Juanda, John Dagastino, David Singer, Mark Vos and Ram Vaswani last nite. Ram was up over 150k!!!!

Lafortezza

careca wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=225837&referrerid=59211&highlight=banana

that and the one with your two hole cards stuck to your forehead. We got Lafortezza to fold AA preflop on that one.

I had reads

nicryan

me and minesota (sp?) John played blind mans bluff for a fiver a game a while ago...I couldn't get him to fold 2-7off...but that was cause I was holding 2-3 off :-/....



Nic

Flipper

I've been trying the 7-card stud Hi/Lo game on Pokerstars lately. It's easy pickings but it's really slow money. Also, the bad players are easier to spot in the game - they seem to only ever chase the high.

Lafortezza

I played about 35k hands of PLO over the last few months, and I'm up to about 31k hands of Hold'em in the last month or so. I found Omaha was easier to learn a profitable strategy, not a very creative strategy but it earned money all the same.
Learning other forms of poker is probably a very good idea to develop a better 'card sense' or something, but I could see that it would require a big time investment to learn 7-stud, O/8 or whatever at a high enough level to make good $$ at.

Imposter

I've been doing nicely at 5/10 stud online. I would reckon it's a lot easier than 5/10 limit poker and even 1/2 NL holdem to make money at. The problem is that there isn't much choice of games. 10/20 is even worse. I need to look into a Crypto account though as I think they might have a few tables too.

Most people have no clue how to play any of the games other than holdem. That's why HORSE is such a great game

luckylucky

lafortezza wrote:

I played about 35k hands of PLO over the last few months, and I'm up to about 31k hands of Hold'em in the last month or so. I found Omaha was easier to learn a profitable strategy, not a very creative strategy but it earned money all the same.
Learning other forms of poker is probably a very good idea to develop a better 'card sense' or something, but I could see that it would require a big time investment to learn 7-stud, O/8 or whatever at a high enough level to make good $$ at.

Yeah it defo requires a bit of time investment I think even to get competent in new games. I think it would be interesting though to expand the aul repetoire though - maybe play relatively low stakes like any newcomer should do - I'll admit I played a bit too high in pot limit omaha in my 1st couple of months and paid dearly enough for my education :rolleyes: ,maybe kinda have a fun session once a week or fortnight or something trying to come to grips with a new game.

imposter wrote:

I've been doing nicely at 5/10 stud online.

Is that limit, pot limit or no limit imposter?

Imposter

luckylucky wrote:

Is that limit, pot limit or no limit imposter?

Limit.

I've never actually seen a PL/NL/HL game running although I think PL is available on Tribeca (but they rarely have any stud table going)

luckylucky wrote:

Yeah it defo requires a bit of time investment I think even to get competent in new games. I think it would be interesting though to expand the aul repetoire though - maybe play relatively low stakes like any newcomer should do - I'll admit I played a bit too high in pot limit omaha in my 1st couple of months and paid dearly enough for my education ,maybe kinda have a fun session once a week or fortnight or something trying to come to grips with a new game.

Imo a bit of reading and thinking about the game would get you up ot a decent enough level pretty quick. Even reading something as bad as Helmuth's book will get you thinking about how the games work. If you are used to a highish level in one game you shouldn't have much problem playing 1 or 2 levels lower in another game after a bit of reading.

luckylucky

Have had a browse over a few of the sites :- There are NL stud games on prima but problem is right at this point of time there is hardly anybody playing stud at any limit period on Prima!

Cryptoloigic just appears to have fixed limit - the $1-$2 is busy but that seems to be about it - you are not going to be able to multi-table on anything higher than $1-$2 so not really a serious money making proposition there
Party has a few $5-$10 tables going and even has a couple of $30-$60 if you play at those sort of levels.

I'll try to get around to having a pop at stud at some stage again - i mean i'm not totally new to the game I used play it ages ago but that's before the internet boom and before I became properly read up about poker so I will still need to learn proper strategy 'n stuff.

Any good books on the game - i know 2+2 have 1 or 2, i actually have their hi-lo one on stud and omaha but have not gotten around to approaching hi-lo, after stud maybe i will

Imposter

Party and Pokerstars are where the 5/10 games are running. There's usually a 10/20 running on stars too but not on party. Party usually has one or 2 higher tables though. Above 5/10 the pickings are sparse and even tonight 5/10 on Party was tougher than i've seen it for the last few weeks.

Stud for advanced players is probably the best book for stud hi. I've got through some of it but not finished it. The one you have sounds like the High/low split book and that is supposed to be the best by a long way for the hi/lo games. They're both 2+2 books afair.

Ste05

SS2 has a great section on 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo written by Todd Brunson, there's some great stuff in there. Also alot of the stuff in it can be translated into all split pot games easily enough IMO with a little thinking and work on the game.