IRL: 2X24 - "Live Together, Die Alone - Part 2" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "LIVE TOGETHER, DIE ALONE - PART 2" -

Episode Title: "Live Together, Die Alone - Part 2"
Airdate: July 24th 2006

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

After discovering something odd just offshore, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan to confront "The Others" and hopefully get Walt back. At the same time there will be an answer to the question of where Michael has been and resolution of him and Walt. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the "button" and the hatch. Lastly, Desmond returns and he sheds some more light on his experience on the island in the three years prior to when Locke came down into that hatch.

Next New Episode: 3X01 - ??? - ???

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Link to US Discussion Thread

quazzy

7

Well, I'm assuming everybody is watching the last episode back in the emerald isle. Unfortunately, I am not there but managed to obtain the last episode from "my american cousins" ( yeah that sounds plausible) .

Anyhoo, I thought the episode was very good.

Dont wanna really spoil anything for ppl that are watching and looking @ boards at the same time but for me it answered one or two questions, ie the button, the plane crash.

It also raised a few more.

Not as good as the last seasons finale but I'll be tuning in for season 3.

Enjoy it.

Crucifix

Agghhhhh! That ending is them looking into the hatch times a thousand.
It was ok, but I can't help thinking it would've been much better had RTE not sliced it in half.

Dmtiling

9

Yea I was thinking the same thing...

Great episode though - can't wait for season 3.

Basq

Crucifix wrote:

..but I can't help thinking it would've been much better had RTE not sliced it in half.

Agreed.. monster mistake on RTE's behalf!

As you may or may not read in the US discussion thread, i enjoyed the finale overall but i did have problems with the ending of the episode - didn't like the idea of a cliffhanger more or less solely on the shoulders of someone who was first introduced in the same episode.

But some great stuff other than that... Locke's "I Was Wrong" line, Henry's apology to Locke etc.

nedward

9

Great ep. 10.

They have such dodgy science, though.

Dissipating the charge?:rolleyes:

Good thing the series is over. Getting a little sick of it.

PS: They were Italian, in the snow, right?

8

link to american thread?
Episode was class.

Did anybody else think that when there was a hatch in the snow,that eko,locke and desmond were in it,ie that violet light fired them off?

Haven't a Clue

9

Henry apologised to Locke? Don't remember that.

I'm looking forward to season 3 as I always prefer the others and it looks like it'll focus in on them more. And they hate Jack.

Zapp Brannigan

basquille wrote:

Henry's apology to Locke etc.

Huh?

Hmm_Messiah

6

I thought this was good, better than average, but nothing like a climax should of been.

what was revealled and tidied up was very god , locke/desmond mostly, but every episode should really be this revelatory. I understand that the whole storyline was written and complete and the studio requested further series, and thats how it comes across, filler weeks of flashback, and only occasioanl movement in plot. the flashbacks can be good, but building characters is not going to satisfy peoples curiosity re the "whys" which is after all the premise of the show.


The final scene I knew before/as it happened and i was not paying total concentration.

I would predict the next series could in the end be reduced to may 3 episodes of "events", and its very clse to jumping the shark

Michael came across today as a very dislikeable person and i find unbelievable the same guy would go to such extremes for a newly found son,

I dunno how to do spoilers so hope its ok to mention the "Jack/Kate" thing - reminded me of old action hero movies and i Liked that, like the humour ,
just really reall bored of the filler

AliasFan47

9

I thought the episode was brilliant. It answered questions and borught up new intruiging ones. We discovered: How the plane crashed, what happens if the button isn't pressed (WOW) and they resolved the Michael/Walt storyline as well.

I still think the momentum was broken by splitting the episode into two parts but maybe RTE will learn by their mistakes.

Overall it was extremely satisfying nad much better than last years finale which in ,y opinion was way too dragged out over 3 hours.

coidi

9

did any1 notice the look on jacks face when michael took off and the others put the bag ovr his head.looked like a smile or am i looking 2 much into this?.............gud ep tho dodgy enuf ending methinks

JBoyle4eva

9

Fantastic ep. A 10. I thought the whole episdoe was great. We learnt a good deal regarding the button, Desmond's character was fuly explained and we were left with the following questions:

1. What is "Jack's Plan" regarding him and the others? And why did they decide to let Hurley go?
2. Did Desmond kill himself and Eko and Lcoke? If not, what appened to them?
3. Whats the deal with Desmond's girlfriend? Hope they don't leave that story in the air. I want to know what she's at?

I hope we get answers in a reasonable amount of time "COUGH" but they probbaly won't answer them to season 3 finale~!

ROLL ON 2007!

Miguel_Sanchez

9

Oh I see. It's all clear now.

Except for just a few things............

*deep breath*

But why did they take Walt?
What were they doing with him?
How come the island can't be found?
What is Desmond's chick looking for?
If she's looking for him how come she knows to look for electromagnetic activity?
Those guys are in the Antartic - how far are they from the island?
What are the Others up to?
What are Dharma up to?
What do they want with Kate, Jack and Sawyer?
Are Locke, Eko and Desmond still alive?
What was the black smoke then? huh?
If the plane crash really was an accident, what's with all the mad coincidences?

Carroller16

9

I think the whole plan was to bring hurley there to do exactly that job... but eko locke and desmond .. i jus dunno.... and charlie seemed unusually happy when he came back

Carroller16

9

and where's SAYID

AliasFan47

9

People need to realise that if they answer everything at once then there would be no show. Producers have said they have a 5 season plan and everything will fall into place. The X-Files answered everything at one point and fans were left with about 4 years of nothing once storylines were wrapped up.

coidi

9

sayid set off the black smoke to tell jack where he was

Carroller16

9

i read in the evening herald today RTE have signed a 7 series contract ???

Santa Claus

8

Suprised noone has mentioned the hatch falling from the sky onto the beach at the end.
Was it blown up into the air and came back down or is there some other kind of hatch up in the air (OK impractical seeing as the plane would have hit any roof type structure but then again this is lost !!!!)

coidi

9

Carroller16 wrote:

and where's SAYID

back in the boat wit sun and jin u see them when dessie turns the key

AliasFan47

9

Carroller16 wrote:

i read in the evening herald today RTE have signed a 7 series contract ???

So TV3 cannot outbid them in the future for the rights. RTE have probably paid a lot for Lost in this contract to have this exclusivity. Anyway whether RTE have the rights for 7 years its up to ABC in the US to decide Lost's future.

nedward

9

Could the smoke be iron filings in the island's magnetic field?

At least we now know that there's life outside the island, and the Earth's magnetic field is still there.

Chaz

I personally though the eposide sucked. Perhaps I was expecting more to be revealed, how foolish of me - would be no 'hanging in there' to series 3.

pokerwidow

8

coidi wrote:

did any1 notice the look on jacks face when michael took off and the others put the bag ovr his head.looked like a smile or am i looking 2 much into this?.............gud ep tho dodgy enuf ending methinks

I thought it was more of lets make a run for it. I would take my chances in the water, gagged and hands tied.

If the 'malfunction' brought down the plane then why didn't the boat move. I know Desmond did his thing, but before that. Also what happened Locke and Mr Ecko and why was Charlie making such a joke of it all?

So Fenry is the Boss and I think that they are rebels against Dharma. I am also guessing that Penny's father somehow is responsible for all of this and that is why she knows where to look and what to look for. If she knew he was on the island, then she waited to see how long he would give up his task and return to her. Confusing or what?

I love Lost but how long do we have to wait for more answers, 2, 3, 4, more seaons. Going off to read the US link. Have been waiting two God damn weeks for this, thanks to RT bloody E.

AliasFan47

9

Chaz wrote:

I personally though the eposide sucked. Perhaps I was expecting more to be revealed, how foolish of me - would be no 'hanging in there' to series 3.

You can't please everyone...

Miguel_Sanchez

9

coidi wrote:

sayid set off the black smoke to tell jack where he was

No I meant the smoke that Eko came face to face with earlier in the series. It never really re-appeared. Didn't it rip the pilot to pieces?

Carroller16

9

ye i suppose

Necronomicon

Great episode, but frustrating ending! In true Lost fashion, answer one question and ask another hundred. I really enjoyed the plane crash revelation, thought it was excellent.
Not even going to go into a big rant (maybe I will on further reflection) but suffice it to say I'll be waiting impatiently for Season 3.
Wow, now I can read all US threads for another few months

Carroller16

9

oh and what's up with them takin 60 whole seconds of the last 5 minutes for 'and i think you'll agree' the worst bloody storyline THE Claire- Charlie storyliine - bollox..... But charlie sure seemed weird when he came back

coidi

9

Jeff_Lebowski wrote:

No I meant the smoke that Eko came face to face with earlier in the series. It never really re-appeared. Didn't it rip the pilot to pieces?

about that black smoke....i was watchin the eko ep the other day and wen the camera goes into the smoke you see flashes of christs crucifixtion and images of hurt children but u hav to look very closely......theories ne1?

Cina

Loved this episode when I first saw it .. and then I thought about it, and how little was actually 100% resolved.

Still though, excellent entertainment, the main thing that pissed me off was how little Charlie seemed to care at the end just for the sake of not resolving things.

jhegarty

12 of 10 for me...


and it seemed like it was 4 hours long... (in a good way)....

johnp

coidi wrote:

sayid set off the black smoke to tell jack where he was

Theory.
When they decided on the black smoke it remined me of how the French girl (dont remember her name :rolleyes:) said that it was used to signify that the Others were coming.
Maybe this is all one big loop. Maybe there's another set of Losties on another part of the island and they see the smoke and think the Others (the Losties) are coming, becuase of Sayids black smoke.
So in the very end the current Losties become the Others, the new Losties become the Losties and lots of filler (with the odd bit of excitement) and loop-da-loop it all starts over again.

Thanks for listening and sorry for ruining the story for everyone :cool:

pokerwidow

8

I saw this on the US link and thought it was interesting, especially the immaculate conception detection kit.....

http://widmorelaboratories.com/

Sorry a fan made up this site..

gustavo

8

Really enjoyed the episode!
Hope Locke Des and Eko are alright
Charlie was strangely content after going through all that.
Series 3's opener will presumably have Sayid's course of action
So Pen was waiting for an event like that to occur?
Which presumably is why "Henry" said that the place will never be found
Is that the role of the button so , to protect the island from being shown up on radar etc?
Funny that Henry is the leader , I presume in the next series we will found out more about them!

Basq

basquille wrote:

Henry's apology to Locke etc.

Slurms wrote:

Huh?

Maybe the term "apology" was too vague but the exchange below is what i meant:

Desmond: "Three days before you came down here, before we met, I heard someone banging on the hatch door shouting. But it was you John, wasn't it?! You say there isn't any purpose, there is no such thing as fate? But you saved my life brother, so I could save yours!"
Locke: "No! None of this is real! Nothing is going to happen! We're going to be ok!"
Desmond: "I've gotta go! And you've gotta get as far away from here as possible!"
Locke: "Go?! Where?! Stop!"
Desmond: "I'm going to blow the dam John! I'm sorry for what happened that made you stop believing. But it's all real. And now I've got to go and make it all go away."

Loved that!

Metacortex

basquille wrote:

Maybe the term "apology" was too vague but the exchange below is what i meant:

Desmond: "Three days before you came down here, before we met, I heard someone banging on the hatch door shouting. But it was you John, wasn't it?! You say there isn't any purpose, there is no such thing as fate? But you saved my life brother, so I could save yours!"
Locke: "No! None of this is real! Nothing is going to happen! We're going to be ok!"
Desmond: "I've gotta go! And you've gotta get as far away from here as possible!"
Locke: "Go?! Where?! Stop!"
Desmond: "I'm going to blow the dam John! I'm sorry for what happened that made you stop believing. But it's all real. And now I've got to go and make it all go away."

Loved that!

Oh right. Its just you posted Henry instead of Desmond in your original post.
BTW - Love that bit too. I love the flashback right before that scene where Des finds Pen's letter.

TarfHead

Good
- the Losties finding the other end of the pneumatic tube with the journals
- Sayid opening the fake hatch door

Bad
- an increasing sense that this programme, after it's early promise, is disappearing up it's own hatch like Twin Peaks and X-Files

Baby4

9

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Basq

Metacortex wrote:

Oh right. Its just you posted Henry instead of Desmond in your original post.

Whoops... so i did!

AYM

Baby4 wrote:

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Emmm....the actor is a boy in his early teens, and the series is filmed one year after the first one, and teenage boys grow? It's a problem that shows tend to have, it's also why in cartoons (Bart Simpson, Charlie Brown), they tend to give the voicing role for boys to women.

If it's stark in the next series though, they may work it in as a plot device, link it to miraculous recoveries like Locke's.

Defo think Penelope's father has a role to play - the actor was the Vice President a couple of seasons ago in 24 (and was Jim in Neighbours!!), so he's bound to be featured more.

Penelope will be the ‘rescue story' - I always felt they'd go that way at some stage.

What is so special about Walt? Will Walt realise his father is an unprincipled sh1t and turn the boat around to try to save everyone?

Is Clancy, the US guy in the hatch with Desmond, dead? Desmond only smacked his head off a rock the day of the plane crash, so how come no-one found his remains?

What do the symbols on the counter mean when the timer runs out?

Alex from the Others is Rousseau’s daughter. Presumably, we’re going somewhere with that at some stage.

If Henry and co, the Others, are “the good guys”, are there bad guys?

Does turning the key and ‘stopping it all’ remove the impediments to leaving the island?

And finally, big play on Penelope’s words that all we need to be happy is one person who truly loves us. Is this what the show is all about? Love?! Are we watching an elongated chick-flick??

Kolodny

8

So may new questions! Really enjoyed it, but I can't help but think RTE splitting it into 2 parts lessened the impact a bit. Would like to watch it all in one now.

AYM wrote:

And finally, big play on Penelope’s words that all we need to be happy is one person who truly loves us. Is this what the show is all about? Love?! Are we watching an elongated chick-flick??

Lol, I'm sure there will be some scientific and/or sinister signifance to what she said - it can't be that fluffy surely?

K_user

7

Hmm_Messiah wrote:

Michael came across today as a very dislikeable person and i find unbelievable the same guy would go to such extremes for a newly found son,

Newly found? Walt was taken off him almost at birth. Michael never stopped loving his son, but he wasn’t given a choice. Parents will do anything for their child. I wasn’t surprised to see Michael pull the trigger, we all saw how upset he got over having to betray his friends, but the resolve was there. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take the boat and hook up with Sayid though.

I agree that the episode itself was spoilt by being split in two. The tension levels would have been higher had they been shown together. Still it was a great ending, although I felt a little cheated. While I prefer to be left in suspense, knowing everything kills a show, but season one had a more definite ending. Hatch opened, weird beardy bloke takes Walt, shoots Sawyer and blows up escape boat. This season we get lights in the sky, a relaxed Charlie, a strange man talking about “honour” and being “good” while kidnapping people and a woman getting a call from the Antarctic…

Loved the scene with the pressurised tube. Hundreds of diaries lying in piles on the ground. For me it was the biggest surprise of the episode. Not only did it tell you how long the experiment was going on for, but it also proved that the duties of the watching station was almost as pointless as the pushing of the button.

Jello

9

Amazing episode. 10/10
Loved Locke saying ''I was wrong''
and Henry's ''They're coming to live with us now'' to Hurley.

Dades

2

Disillusioned.

A good "weekly" episode, but an insult as a season finale.

dubstub

K_user wrote:

Loved the scene with the pressurised tube. Hundreds of diaries lying in piles on the ground. For me it was the biggest surprise of the episode. Not only did it tell you how long the experiment was going on for, but it also proved that the duties of the watching station was almost as pointless as the pushing of the button.

I disagree, we know that one of the stations was a psychological experiment. The induction to the station with the pressurised tube claimed it was the swan station and the pressing of the button. But I think the button was real and it was the people sitting there observing that were the experiment, that's why the tube goes nowhere.

soma

* If that's the explanation for the plane crash - it's rubbish. Discussion about this on US thread (Planes not made out of simple metals, why would plane break apart mid-air, two boats on the island remained unaffected etc). I hope for the sake of the show that this 'explanation' is a red herring.
* There is no way in hell the "attack group" (jack, kate, sawyer, hurley) could remain so calm over the revelation that michael killed AL & Libby.
* Desmond heard locke banging on the hatch door with just his hand. However, Locke and Boone were trying all kinds of tricks to damage the hatch door, making much bigger impacts than merely lockes hand - how come desmond never heard these..?
* When Kelvin finds Desmond on the beach, Kelvin is wearing his protective suit even though we know that Kelvin doesnt believe there is any need to wear it. Does this mean he saw a body on the beach, and on the off chance it'd turn out to be alive, ran back to put on his suit before inspecting it..? hmm..
* Henry/Fenry looked *mad*, but not at all surprised, when the large explosion/whatever happened at the end.
* Subsequently, everyone (from the others to the robot-anonymous-losties on the beach) acted as if nothing had just happened.
* Charlie came back zonked. WTF..? I know he was just in an explosion but he was more strung-out than anything.
* Walt's behaviour (staying hidden on the boat) was a little odd..
* No one went to check out the hatch after the door landed on the beach..? wtf..?

Really not impressed to be honest, also *very* disapointed to hear about seven seasons. I'm sure I'll watch subsequent seasons (altho I'd say there's a good chance Lost will do a twin peaks and get canned before the end) but only as downloads, I cant see myself tuning in to see any more.

tafkam

nedward wrote:

At least we now know that there's life outside the island, and the Earth's magnetic field is still there.

Do we know there's life outside the island?

Could those two guys that were alerted of the islands visibility be in the future?

K_user

7

dubstub wrote:

I disagree, we know that one of the stations was a psychological experiment. The induction to the station with the pressurised tube claimed it was the swan station and the pressing of the button. But I think the button was real and it was the people sitting there observing that were the experiment, that's why the tube goes nowhere.

Well that’s the fun of a show like “Lost”, we all have theories.

Having a “fake” control station observing the “real” station wouldn’t make for a clever experiment. It would just make for some really boring diary results, when compared to the expense of having a second hatch.

I think the initiation video stated that the experiment was in peoples reactions to intense but pointless situations. The occupants of the “hatch” have to live with sleep deprivation, quarantine warnings and the constant threat of unleashing a devastating weapon. The second hatch, the observational post, must have had its own challenges. We know about the diaries, we know about the camera, we know that it had a direct link to the computer in the first hatch. What we don’t know is why it was abandoned.

I believe that the experiment goes along the lines that one hatch believed that they were saving the world, the other believed that they were in on the joke but they were unaware that they themselves where being tested. I’m sure that theory will evolve and change as we learn more!

Remember that there are other hatches – the one that Clare was taken too – how does that fit in?

Either way its shaping up to be all changed for season 3. The first season was mainly about the Island, its mysteries, survival. That changed for season 2, the mysteries became man made, the hatch proved that it was all part of some experiment, the “others” became real. Season 3 should change the goal posts again.

Can’t wait!!!

s10

Whats jack doing with a 4 days beard and glasses and speaking some eastern european language in antartica?
did anyone else spot jacks identical twin.