Start a bike with no key

rachymc

have an nsr75 and lost the key. anyone know how to start it without one? theres no electric start, just a kickstart so how do the thieves do it?!

Hotblack Desiato

rachymc wrote:

have an nsr75 and lost the key. anyone know how to start it without one? theres no electric start, just a kickstart so how do the thieves do it?!

LOL as if I'm going to tell random internet bloke

I had to do this once on my first bike when the igntion switch went haywire, Haynes manual circuit diagram will tell all

Didn't you get two keys with the bike, if not, first thing you should have done was to get a spare cut. Sorry if this sounds harsh but for genuine owners there's a hard lesson just waiting to be learned. For scumbags there's an appoinment with my armoured boots to be made

rachymc

first of all im a girl

well its the usual never got around to getting a second key cut, didnt get a spare one from the lad i bought it off, and i know that u can take out the barrel and get a key cut by a locksmith from that, but i just wanted to know was there an easier way to do it rather than jamming a screwdriver through it. suppose it was a bit of a silly thing to ask since everyone thinks i am now in the process of trying to rob a bike :mad: :mad:

mikemac

Happens to the best of us
I lost my key and spent ages trying to find a cheap solution. I even rang the importers and asked could they get me a key if I gave the frame number of the bike. That didn't work

In the end, I had to get the ignition taken out, take it to the locksmith and get the ignition put back in. Cost €80 in total so an expensive lesson learned.

Alternativly, wheel the bike down to Sherriff Street and give some young lad a few quid. I'm sure he'll show you:)

rachymc

ya i rang the locksmiths and they couldnt give me a price cos they said that they might have to strip it down. and the only thing i can find on the web is u have to completely smash the barrel to get at the rotation switch, and then use a screwdriver to turn it, is there any way the ignition circuit can be completed without turning the rotation switch is what i want to know. it says how to do so with a car by touching the starter motor wire with a powered wire from the ignition? but i dont have a starter motor so im seriously lost in the forest. i will get a key cut eventually but just want to get it running for the moment!

rachymc

micmclo wrote:

Happens to the best of us
I lost my key and spent ages trying to find a cheap solution. I even rang the importers and asked could they get me a key if I gave the frame number of the bike. That didn't work

In the end, I had to get the ignition taken out, take it to the locksmith and get the ignition put back in. Cost €80 in total so an expensive lesson learned.

Alternativly, wheel the bike down to Sherriff Street and give some young lad a few quid. I'm sure he'll show you:)

how much did the actual key cutting part cost? cos i can take out the ignition myself

mikemac

rachymc wrote:

how much did the actual key cutting part cost? cos i can take out the ignition myself

Don't remember exactly-it was no more than €20.
It was the locksmith on Amiens Street, D1

Steffano2002

Don't be helping female thiefs!!!

Only messing... Sorry I can't help though! I always make sure I have spares...

ANTO D10 DUB

one of the reasons bikes are so easy to steal without being locked in someway is because of the ignitions, listen if you can take the ignition of the bike just have a look at the back of it , it does'nt take rocket sceintist to see how they come apart i guarantee you'll have it sussed in 5minutes .

babybundy

rachymc wrote:

:mad: :mad:

rachymc

babybundy wrote:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Elfish

If you've lost the key then you're going to need a new ignition switch anyway as it will be cheaper to buy than get a key cut to match it. If you still need to start it, pm me. If you don't care about damaging the switch you've got, then it won't take long, if you do, then it will take a little longer....either way your bike will be vulnerable afterwards. As someone else said, it aint rocket science, have a look yourself first and if you can't suss it pm.

babybundy

Elfish wrote:

If you've lost the key then you're going to need a new ignition switch anyway as it will be cheaper to buy than get a key cut to match it. If you still need to start it, pm me. If you don't care about damaging the switch you've got, then it won't take long, if you do, then it will take a little longer....either way your bike will be vulnerable afterwards. As someone else said, it aint rocket science, have a look yourself first and if you can't suss it pm.

no she got the keys back they weren't burn as thought

Torq

Hi guys,
Theres a locksmith on north frederick st, near the garden of rememberence that can cut a key from the code on the ignition barrel cap, you will need the year and the model of bike. They have done several ignitions from '80's bikes for me this way.
Alternatively, you might be able to get the seat/helmet lock off (if it uses the same key)and bring that in with you instead of damaging the ignition barrel.
Keep well,
torq

P.S. It's also possible on some bikes to permanently hot wire them by cutting a particular wire coming from the CDI box, but I'm not telling you which one!

Oryx

Wont the key have to do the petrol tank as well? So if you get a new ignition youll still be short a key. And sometimes the petrol cap and seat lock take the same key, but have a simpler lock so you may not be able to cut from it. Weve always hauled the ignitions out and had keys cut. Costs about e30 out here in the sticks :rolleyes: Btw were not thieves! Its amazing how many people lose their one and only key.

rachymc

first of all i figured out how to start it without the key. so simple wen u know how! second, i found the key. i thought it was burned in the fire, but its ok, so iv got spare ones cut.

babybundy

hi hun:D

Elfish

Torq wrote:

Hi guys,

P.S. It's also possible on some bikes to permanently hot wire them by cutting a particular wire coming from the CDI box, but I'm not telling you which one!

hint - one of the best sellers isn't it!? Won't go too quick tho, and it isn't the wire coming from the cdi if we're thinking of the same bike......cos it doesn't have a cdi ???

rachymc

its the block of wires under the tank. disconnect them. and to stop the engine connect em back up. simple as ill probably get kicked off now for tellin people how to hotwire it.

Elfish

rachymc wrote:

its the block of wires under the tank. disconnect them. and to stop the engine connect em back up. simple as ill probably get kicked off now for tellin people how to hotwire it.

correct answer!
yep you're f**ked now.
hard to get under tank tho, find it easier to do elsewhere.
Always wondered tho, I've never ridden a bike like this for more than 20-30 mins. I wonder is the battery being charged or would u just end up running out of steam? But sure then again some will run with battery completely removed.
Any ideas? What is longest you've ridden a bike started like this?

babybundy

it wont make a difference cause nsr's are the easy bike to steel at the moment

rachymc

Elfish wrote:

correct answer!
yep you're f**ked now.
hard to get under tank tho, find it easier to do elsewhere.
Always wondered tho, I've never ridden a bike like this for more than 20-30 mins. I wonder is the battery being charged or would u just end up running out of steam? But sure then again some will run with battery completely removed.
Any ideas? What is longest you've ridden a bike started like this?

as far as i can remember from looking at the wiring when u pull that block apart all ur disconnecting is the lights and ignition the regulator/rectifier is still connected so the battery will still charge. but the battery isnt bein used anyway since the lights arent connected. i dunno ill have to look at it again. i didnt drive it at all, i just started it to see if it would work.

Elfish

maybe.
but any bike can be started in 15-20 secs, bar HISS.

and I'm sure there is some way to code a fob/use a laptop so it would go thru all combinations, just like scanners for old car alarms........people just arn't arsed anymore tho.

Elfish

I meant maybe for your previous post. Will have to speed up!

Elfish

rachymc wrote:

as far as i can remember from looking at the wiring when u pull that block apart all ur disconnecting is the lights and ignition

Its a weird one, breaking a connection to make another. I never properly understood it. Maybe there is an inverter/diode or something. Dunno. Got a scan of cct diagram?

rachymc

Elfish wrote:

I meant maybe for your previous post. Will have to speed up!

ya but i think now that with bike alarms anyway theres some thing like the signal changes constantly at a random order so even if u had a scanner for the frequency it would never get it, cant really remember what i read. sure we got a flyer there in the shop that u can get an addition on to the alarm that texts u when someone moves ur bike.

rachymc

Elfish wrote:

Its a weird one, breaking a connection to make another. I never properly understood it. Maybe there is an inverter/diode or something. Dunno. Got a scan of cct diagram?

someone said its cos when u turn the ignition off that ur shorting one wire to ground? no i was lookin for one to figure out what the f**k i was actually doin! iv a haynes manual on scooters but thats no good cos theres a starter motor and cdi

Elfish

yeah you're right. They use a rolling code now. Scanner days gone.
Txt thing is handy, how much? Is is a once off cost? ie no maintenance fee rubbish

Elfish

ah here now, you were too quick again and now my reply makey no sense. me stupid!

rachymc

it didnt say a price. just a mobile number. ill get it for u tomorrow in work if u want!

Elfish

ok so, would be interested to know how much.
I'm off to bed now. Night.

rachymc

ill get that so and post it on, and............ill reply a bit slower too!

Steffano2002

You're all a bunch of thieves!

babybundy

no its just so well known how to steel nsr's i couldn't tell how to wire any other bike or car i had a bike stolen and i was still paying for it for a few years after

Elfish

babybundy wrote:

no its just so well known how to steel nsr's i couldn't tell how to wire any other bike or car

Only consolation it is small bikes only. Cars have to be properly hot wired to start them (older ones, newer ones ain't happening), breaking connections does nothing. Anyway you've still the steering lock. Which brings on to another thing, anyone know who is making tees now in dublin? Not that I really want to know anymore, more of a reminisce!!

rachymc

Elfish wrote:

Which brings on to another thing, anyone know who is making tees now in dublin? Not that I really want to know anymore, more of a reminisce!!

tees?

babybundy

i think its the yolk for barreling the ignition

bushy...

Elfish wrote:

Its a weird one, breaking a connection to make another. I never properly understood it. Maybe there is an inverter/diode or something. Dunno. Got a scan of cct diagram?

http://www.50cc-motorcycles.com/extra/nsr-sche.jpg

The generator has a separate winding to power the cdi/coil ,and a pulse coil to tell it when to spark,so once the engine is turning it will generate a spark n run away happily...there is a wire going to ground and a single wire going to the ignition switch to kill it.
Motox bikes work the same way , some old stuff like Maico490s used to run the high voltage side of the generator up to the kill switch...fun that.