Theory Tatics & Strategy

Burnt

I have recently become increasingly involved in training Judo, from a technical point of view I'm fairly competent, ie teaching techniques.
However i would like to get more info on fight tatics/strategy and theories. Any recommendations on where to source this info would be appreaciated they dont necessarily have to be judo specific.

Mola.mola

Art of War by SunTzu

Where do you do judo?

Burnt

I have read Art of War, thought it was pretty cool

I train in Galway

LukeyJudo22

www.judoinfo.com

Clive

Art of War.
Book of Five Rings.
T'ai Chi Classics.

LukeyJudo22

what kind of fight tactics/strategy? what to do when you're behind? what to do when you're infront? what to do against a russian style opponent? a ne-waza expert? an uchi-mata expert? how to slim down for a fight etc etc

judoinfo.com has tons of judo related articles

pearsquasher

I would say number one would be your judo teacher or else find one that gets into tactics/strategy as an inherent part of training.

Otherwise you could find some classical jujutsu schools whose kata contain tactics/strategy at various levels. I'm thinking Daito Ryu or Yoshin Ryu or other koryu arts. (not sure how much tactics is contained in their kata, but you could ask)

Books/articles won't get you very far without a living tradition within which to practice/develop.

Mola.mola

pearsquasher wrote:

I would say number one would be your judo teacher or else find one that gets into tactics/strategy as an inherent part of training.

Otherwise you could find some classical jujutsu schools whose kata contain tactics/strategy at various levels. I'm thinking Daito Ryu or Yoshin Ryu or other koryu arts. (not sure how much tactics is contained in their kata, but you could ask)

Books/articles won't get you very far without a living tradition within which to practice/develop.

I completely disagree with this.

Pingu

Mola.mola wrote:

I completely disagree with this.

Do you disagree with all of it?

What would you suggest?

Burnt

LukeyJudo22 wrote:

what to do when you're behind? what to do when you're infront? what to do against a russian style opponent? a ne-waza expert? an uchi-mata expert? how to slim down for a fight etc etc

Yeah this is the kind of thing i'm after...though it doesnt have to be judo specific

Black Swan

In addition to TKD and trying to understand the "Do" philosophy, also am training with the sword. These were useful when attempting to understand martial arts theory (i.e., philosophy), strategy and tactics.

The way of the sword contained in Gorin-no-Sho (Book of Five Rings) by Miyamoto Mushashi is excellent and mentioned by others in this thread.

The Lone Samurai: The Life of Miyamoto Musashi, by William Scott Wilson. This book helps with the understanding of Musashi's "way of the sword."

And a grand book that has not been mentioned by a German philosopher who somehow convinced one of the surviving Japanese archery masters to take him on as a student for several years: Zen in the Art of Archery, by Eugen Herrigel (1953).

Oh, and just thought of one tiny piece of MA philosophy/tactics that appeared in the recent Tom Cruise film, "The Last Samurai," when the son of Katsumoto tells Capt. Nathan Algren (played by Cruise): "Too many minds."

Burnt

Burnt wrote:

Yeah this is the kind of thing i'm after...though it doesnt have to be judo specific

As obvious as it sounds, watching and analysing matches can be very helpful. Try to figure how and why competitors do what they do.

LukeyJudo22

Your coach should be your best source of all your tactics and strategies.

What level are you at? Have you got your black belt? And do you compete?

Judo only really opens up when you get your black belt. And when you start competing against other black belts, thats when a heavy emphasis on tactics/strategy comes into play.

The reason being for this is when someone gets a bb in judo he/she has already got a good set of techniques in their arsenal (which you're guaranteed to have them attempt on you when you fight them) so you have to be aware of what their favourite techniques are so you can be fully prepared to anticipate the attack, nullify it and if possible counter it.

You have to know where your own weaknesses are, maybe you're succeptible to pins, strangles, left siders etc

and you have to know what your opponent is succeptible to, maybe he hates ne-waza, maybe he loves ne-waza maybe he gasses after the first few minutes and then you can turn on the pressure etc

To quote the art of war (the only quote i found useful) "Know yourself and know your enemy and of ten thousand battles you shall never know defeat."

At a certain level you have to be able to exploit your opponents weaknesses and defend/try to strengthen your own.

Theres plenty of drills you can practise too so you can be prepared for a contest. Ask your coach to work on a few with you.

drilling armlocks/turnovers from the turtle position against a resisiting opponent is a favourite of mine.

Theres loads, make your own drills up in order to get whatever results you're looking for.

And good luck

-Luke

Burnt

I have 4 years experience and compete regularly, i intend grading to 1st kyu as soon as possible, would be already be, but have suffered afew injuries lately....

Burnt wrote:

I have recently become increasingly involved in training Judo,

where i wrote training i should have said coaching my bad

LukeyJudo22

Well then coach some drills!

Fair play and good luck

-Luke

Mola.mola

see you at the next grading burnt.