99 golf Tdi or 01 peugeot 306 HDi

quarryman

I'm looking to either get a

high milaege (100k) Golf 99 Mk4 GT TDi 110bhp for around £5500 +VRT (~9500 euro)

or

a decent milaege (<70k) 306 2001 HDi Turbo 90 for around £3500 +VRT

If I get the Golf I'll be using all my budget and will have to save up again to get the remap and new alloys.

But if I get the Peugeot I can use the extra money to get wheels, remap, new stereo, ipod maybe.


Few questions:

What is the comfort level for long trips? I drive 250 miles at weekends and 20 each day to work and back.
I'm currently driving a Focus 99 100k and looking for something a bit nippier. Will I really notice a step down in comfort and quality from the Focus?

I'll probably be getting a remap on whichever car i get so that would bring the Golf to 145bp and the 306 to 115, though i know the 306 will be lighter. Is there much in performance between these two?

I think the golf can get up 60mpg whereas the 306 might be low 50s. Not a big difference I guess.

My main concern is the driving experience and whether I will notice a big dropp in comfort level.

Also, what is the difference between the Meridian, Turbo and Lx versions?

Anyone driven both and could recommend?

ps i'm going to drive get a testdrive in a Golf tdi this weekend.

colm_mcm

The Pug will be a better drive, but the Golf will be far more comfortable, safer, more desirable, and have more potential for tuning. The Golf is a far newer design, and worth the extra money.

As far as I remember the 306 Meridian models have half leather, 4 elec windows, side skirts, fogs, no alloys some had aircon

unkel

10 grand for a 7.5 year old golf diesel is just madness. Give it another 2 years and it'll be virtually worthless

colm_mcm

Oh just realised those prices were in Sterling. I wouldn't pay over €6,000 for a 99 golf Diesel

unkel

A '99 Golf TDI 110BHP isn't even Pumpe-Düse, is it?

aldy05

I have a 99 golf not diesel but there seem to be common problems with them all like door locks and rear wiper motor problems. Paid €500 there the other day to set it staight and the locks are still screwing up on me. I love the golf though the 306 isnt nice at all. The gt tdi golf is good though dont know if it was made in 99 though if i was getting another golf id get an 01+ one as they sorted some problems out

maidhc

unkel wrote:

A '99 Golf TDI 110BHP isn't even Pumpe-Düse, is it?

Nope.

10k on a 99 car with 100k miles is completely f**king barking mad.

colm_mcm

I'd be hoping for a similarly engined A3 for less than that

quarryman

colm_mcm wrote:

Oh just realised those prices were in Sterling. I wouldn't pay over €6,000 for a 99 golf Diesel

well then you won't be buying one A decent 99 with under 100k is gonna cost £5000 plus 2000 euro vrt is gonna be around 9500 plus travel costs.

Golfs are VERY expensive to buy.

colm_mcm

That's hillarious. there are so many better cars you can buy for under 10k

quarryman

Have you another suggestion? Specifically I'm looking for a diesel i can tune...

maidhc

quarryman wrote:

Have you another suggestion? Specifically I'm looking for a diesel i can tune...

I bought an 03 Focus TDCi with 60k for 11k earlier in the year.

How about a Seat Leon?

quarryman

a good deal cus i can't see any on carzone for under 10k. (well 2 but one has 800,000 miles on it apparently :rolleyes: )

colm_mcm

My suggestions would include Focus TDCI, Leon TDI, Seat Ibiza TDI.

unkel

maidhc wrote:

I bought an 03 Focus TDCi with 60k for 11k earlier in the year.

Now that's more like it

@OP, with your mileage, going diesel will save you hundreds on fuel (after you deduct extra outgoings for insurance and tax) and not thousands per annum. When doing your sums you have to offset that against what changing to another car will cost you more net!

maidhc wrote:

Nope.

Glad you confirmed. Wasn't 100% sure as the PD was introduced around that time?

maidhc wrote:

10k on a 99 car with 100k miles is completely f**king barking mad.

Must disagree

I paid similar money for a similar age car with similar mileage. It wasn't a Golf though, it was a BMW 735i V8 with full BMW SH

colm_mcm

Actually OP, a Citroen Xsara HDI Coupe would be a good 306 alternative, they're basically the same thing, and the 3 door isn't bad looking, I wouldn'y buy one, but I wouldn't go for the 306 either.
00 models are able to be had for very small money

maidhc

unkel wrote:

Must disagree

I paid similar money for a similar age car with similar mileage. It wasn't a Golf though, it was a BMW 735i V8 with full BMW SH

Well, yes. On a Golf it is mad.

(The PD engines developed 100 and 130 bhp as far as I am aware.. then the 130 was dropped when the 2.0 came, and the 1.9 is now 104 in the Golf/Octavia/Passat or 115 in the A4)

quarryman

hmm don't think so (stand to be corrected).

i think its:
TDi 90
TDi 110
TDi 115
TDi 130
TDi 150

pburns

quarryman wrote:

hmm don't think so (stand to be corrected).

i think its:
TDi 90
TDi 110
TDi 115
TDi 130
TDi 150

Is it not:

SDI 90
TDI 105
TDi 115 (?)
TDi 130
TDi 150

Not really a VW buff so not sure...

neacy69

pburns wrote:

Is it not:

SDI 90
TDI 105
TDi 115 (?)
TDi 130
TDi 150

Not really a VW buff so not sure...

dont think as far as i know the
SDI is around 75 bhp
the
TDI 90
TDI (PD) 100
TDi 115
TDi(PD) 130(?)
TDi 130
TDi 150
or something along those lines

colm_mcm

SDI is only 68bhp

pburns

colm_mcm wrote:

SDI is only 68bhp

...that's dangerously slow :mad:

VW have a brass-neck to market that engine.

I've always liked the old model Seat Leon (em...because the rear hatch reminds me of a 'sud...). This is much better value than the '99 Golf:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=354679

A lot of Leons were 1.4 petrol or SDI diesel though, TDIs a bit rare.

neacy69

pburns wrote:

...that's dangerously slow :mad:

VW have a brass-neck to market that engine.

I've always liked the old model Seat Leon (em...because the rear hatch reminds me of a 'sud...). This is much better value than the '99 Golf:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=354679

A lot of Leons were 1.4 petrol or SDI diesel though, TDIs a bit rare.

you reckon that leon is better value than this golf

or this

because i honestly dont think so

bazz26

neacy69 wrote:

you reckon that leon is better value than this golf

or this

because i honestly dont think so

Note there is no mention of the mileage though on the first one, so you can assume it is over 100k. That first Golf looks a bit tired to me, don't know what it is about it but it just doesn't look right imho.

unkel

Dudes, 10 grand for a '00 or even a '01 is madness! As the OP pointed out more or less, those might be the prices these cars go for here second hand, but that does not mean they are worth it

colm_mcm

The interior of the 1st Golf looks a bit tired. What's the story with the passenger interior door card? see that circle? where a window winder would be

Rudolph Claus

Them ould golfs, seriously over rated boring family wagons. They`re desperate yokes, for farmers and people that dont know any better and buy them thinking they`re the most reliable comfortable car ever. When in fact they`re slow, heavy, basic spec unles you pay way extra and boxy.

The 306 is class, the D-turbo engines were bullet proof and the Hdi was even better. The Dturbo was more tunable than the hdi as it was more mechanical, you can chip the hdi though. The 3dr 306 looks class in Dturbo trim or Hdi sport trim but are next to impossible to get here for some reason and any you do come across are crazy money. Get a decent 1 up the north or even the UK but definitely get a 306 turbo over a ****ty ould golf. Ill be the 1st to admit peugeot petrols are crap but those particular diesels were/are bulletproof and peugeot got their diesels spot-on.
I had 2 306 1.9non turbos and both were reliable and nice to drive. My cousin had the Dturbo and no issues either. The D-turbos are 90bhp and the Hdi`s had 2versions i think a 90 and 110. Hdi has better economy and quieter engine, but both are class.

Rudolph Claus

This is way better looking than any golf.
http://www.cbg.ie/Car_detail.asp?CBGID=488721&ID=759284&NumPics=3&Make=Peugeot&Model=306%20D%20Turbo&frmFilter=Default#
Now im not reccommending that car with its 142,000 miles but just showing ye how class them Dturbo spec 306`s are and its nice to know the engines are capable of them miles. Those alloys on it are the Gti wheels and are sweet.

colm_mcm

It's a 13 year old design though.

Rudolph Claus

It's a 13 year old design though.

Who cares, it works and looks class. You think the 307 looks better? The 307 is gay and a womans car, a Dturbo 306 is a beast. If he finds a nice 2000/2001 model in the Uk or up north it`ll have abs and all the fancy gadgets and extras. What does it matter if its a 13yr old design,i dont get your point,, the golf is ancient sure, same boxy shape since 1870.
the 306 looks good with standard peugeot sporty kit on it, you have to spend money on a golf to make them look good. Also, a 3dr diesel golf is hard to find and will have a stupidly attached price too.

quarryman

This exactly the frame of mind i am in at the moment. I've been looking at the Golfs every day for the last week in Autotrader and will have no change after I buy a 99 90-100ker and bring it back to Ireland for 10k. I still want to have money to chip it and make it mine etc.

With a Golf i wont be able to, with the Puegeot i can probably get alloys and the remap, tax it (2 litre after all!) and add an alarm. I test drove a Golf today, 86k 2001 100 TDi. It was OK, that was it, not bad but not amazing.

Life's too short, sure if i get sick of it i'll sell up in 6 months. I'll get a GT TDi golf when i have proper money to throw at it...

@Nuttzy, would you recommend the TD over the HDi?

bazz26

Did you look at the Focus 1.8 TDCi 115bhp as an alternative? They are way more common in the UK than over here and you should pick up a 02 model for that kind of money.

quarryman

I actually stopped into a Ford Dealership here in Limerick but there i was standing around waiting to get the slick talk from the salesman and no sign of anyone. Took a wander round the lot though (about 60 cars) and no sign of a 00-03 TDCi.

I was only half interested really. I'd like a change from the Focus, are they much different to drive bazz?

bazz26

Afaik the 115bhp version of the TDCi Focus was only available from 2001/2002 here and most are Ghia saloon models. Very rare to find a hatchback TDCi in Ireland.

Maidhc is the best man to ask about the Focus TDCi, he might sell you his one!

Rudolph Claus

@Nuttzy, would you recommend the TD over the HDi?

They`re both good, but you might aswell get the newer Hdi engine, they were in the 00/01 cars and being that bit newer will have less miles on them and be a fresher car. Also has slightly better fuel economy. I assume you want to stay up the years. For a Dturbo you`ll have to go back to 99 reg at least. The Hdi is the 1 to go for. I might even get 1 myself sometime in the future. I miss my 306.

You should visit http://www.pug306.net as previously referenced.
Im still a member of that site and they know their stuff. Theres Peugeot mechanics on the forum even. Theres plenty of threads on the difference between the engines and tuning them and just general stuff you`d find interesting reading before buying deciding to buy one.Register and go into the "Diesel" section. Class forum, gets used every day not like some specific car forums thet are never looked at.

@Colm_mcm Is the SDI golf really only 68bhp? Its not a turbo diesel then, just a straight 1.9??

Rudolph Claus

Class or what:

quarryman

yeah I always thought that colour looks really well in the 306.

I registered on the pug forums last week and actually posted this thread topic there. Despite being slightly biased it was around 50/50 Golf/306.

demanufactured

"Class or what:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 306-11mod.jpg (109.7 KB, 14 views)"

looks like some skanger boy racer car

maidhc

demanufactured wrote:

looks like some skanger boy racer car

Your opinion.

I quite like it.

@OP
If you are going to the UK do have a look for a Focus TDCi. They come in either 100 or 115bhp. The 100bhp can be remapped by 115 if you know a nice friendly Ford dealer, or alternatively Superchips Bluefin gives pretty impressive gains (apparently).

The TDCi hatch is very very rare here. It was sold in LX form (100bhp) or 3dr Zetec (115) or Ghia (115). I have the 3dr Zetec, and have only ever seen one other identical car on the roads, and at that a different colour.. which is strange considering how many Foci were sold.

If your budget stretches the TDCi Sport was sold in the UK in late 2002 - 2004. It was the same as the Zetec, but had 17" Alloys, aircon, and ST170 part leather seats. It is a bit more s/h than the Zetec, but not as much as the price difference when new.

HashSlinging

The silver Leon looks the biz, colour code the bumpers and stick on a decent set of alloys, you'd be laughing. The suspension is more sporty on the leon so its more enjoyable to drive than a golf, and to be honest the golf IMO is just way too popular, nearly everyone in my estate has a feckin golf or a focus.BORING.BORING.BORING.

quarryman

Hi guys, decided to go for the 306, i reckon the Gold would just have bored me after the Focus.

Take a look at her here:

http://www.pug306.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=21419

Rallyhero

http://m.youtube.com/?dc=organic&source=mog#/watch?v=_xa3ZgqB9dU Irish perspective of a pug dturbo

Nissan doctor

Rallyhero wrote: »

http://m.youtube.com/?dc=organic&source=mog#/watch?v=_xa3ZgqB9dU Irish perspective of a pug dturbo

Have you been waiting 6 years to post that?

Timmaay

When I saw €9500 for a 1999 golf I first thought wow, them sh*tbox VAGs really have appreciated like crazy with the whole TDI trend at the minute ha!

Skuxx

Timmaay wrote: »

When I saw €9500 for a 1999 golf I first thought wow, them sh*tbox VAGs really have appreciated like crazy with the whole TDI trend at the minute ha!

Me too, I nearly got out of bed to go wash my yoke and get her straight on donedeal!!

Seweryn

maidhc wrote: »

10k on a 99 car with 100k miles is completely f**king barking mad.

Purely depends on the car. For a compact it is too much, but there are many cars that €10k would be a bargain price.

Nissan doctor

Seweryn wrote: »

Purely depends on the car. For a compact it is too much, but there are many cars that €10k would be a bargain price.

They might have been worth that in 2006.:rolleyes:

TestTransmission

Rallyhero wrote: »

http://m.youtube.com/?dc=organic&source=mog#/watch?v=_xa3ZgqB9dU Irish perspective of a pug dturbo

Please don't drag up old threads.