www.xeeatwelve.com

jessop1

This site has a load of very interesting essays written from a gnostic spiritual point of view.

some of it is very far out, but I would urge honest seekers of spiritual truth to read a few and see what you think. It gives some very interesting and non-conventional viewpoints on things like Karma, the existence of evil and how world events are controlled and manipulated by unseen powers in the background. Not for the closed-minded.

enjoy!

www.xeeatwelve.com

Sapien

jessop1 wrote:

Not for the closed-minded.

In other words - not for those with a jot of intellectual taste or analytical reasoning. Alien Astronaut Theory always strikes me as being of the same species of worldview as Creationism - frantic hermeneutic acrobatics towards the warping of all available evidence to support an unlikely and tremendously inelegant hypothesis. Not to mention the violence this kind of stuff has done to the discussion of Middle Eastern myth. One cannot mention the Annuna these days without ones interlocutor nodding sagely and saying "They came from another planet, you know." Really though, the support of David Icke for an idea should be the ultimate litmus test for pareidolic delusion.

And what has this site got to do with Gnosticism?

*wanders off muttering something about sackcloth, ashes and Richard Anton Wilson*

jessop1

jessop1 wrote:

It gives some very interesting and non-conventional viewpoints on things like Karma,

The current popular view of Karma is distorted enough without pink websites adding to it

the existence of evil and how world events are controlled and manipulated by unseen powers in the background. Not for the closed-minded.

enjoy!

Mm, warning bells are going off. "Not for the closed-minded" is usually short for "everyone's opinion is equal no matter how fanciful or absurd it is"...

Hm.
*reads some paragraphs*
Scary stuff. ¬.¬

jessop1

Really, what are you doing posting in the spiritual section if you are not willing to open your mind even the tiniest bit? trolling methinks..

These are very long articles, so I doubt you've had time to do more than glance at them, before you haughtily dismissed them as absurd.

How very arrogant.

As I said, they are not for the closed minded.

Open minded != gullible.

Or perhaps you'd like to tell us what the "divine amoeba" is:

Pythagoras was an early mathematician who developed several useful formulae that are still applied today. However, he was much more than a mathematician, he was the Divine Amoeba incarnated.

Sapien

jessop1 wrote:

Really, what are you doing posting in the spiritual section if you are not willing to open your mind even the tiniest bit? trolling methinks..

These are very long articles, so I doubt you've had time to do more than glance at them, before you haughtily dismissed them as absurd.

How very arrogant.

As I said, they are not for the closed minded.

And as we have both said - having an open mind does not mean one has to accept everything as being worthy of consideration. My other submissions to this forum will demonstrate that I cannot reasonably be accused of closed mindedness, but it is my opinion that this stuff is nonsense. Absurd. It does not require the opening of ones mind "the tiniest bit" - but that one accepts an entirely alternative history of the earth and prehistory of the human race on the basis of some imaginative readings of ancient texts and wild musings as to the purposes of ordinary bronze age structures.

The fact that you and others expect that ideas such as these will be accepted without reservation by people who frequent a Spirituality forum informs the opinion held by many that anyone interested in Spirituality must be credulous and prone to delusion.

You mentioned gnosticism in your original post. What had this site to do with gnosticism?

The Gnome

bluewolf wrote:

"divine amoeba"

Brilliant. ALL HAIL THE DIVINE AMOEBA!!

/bows

Sapien

I can see these repeating symmetrical "patterns" and their activities all around me at all times. The various geometric patterns have mesmerizing properties. This is by design of Darkness. It wants everyone who encounters them to be "hypnotised" so they become "lost" in the illusions. The Divine Amoeba has unmasked this diabolical scheme and soon the illusions will fall.

Quite seriously, it seems to me that this person is suffering from common or garden paranoid schizophrenia. Really, the inclusion of Danikenesque Alien Astronaut Theory in his "essays" is no different to the religious imagery that obsesses the stereotypical homicidal psychopath - who hears the voice of God and murders demons in human form. Just a little more exotic and, one hopes, less violent.

Nevyn

There is such a thing as being too openminded really it can cause your brain to fall out.

People are entitled to believe what they wish but just because there is a web site about it does no make it real,
if it works for people and makes them happy they can believe what they wish no matter how silly it seem to others,
really it has not stopped David Icke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

jessop1

I think what it boils down to is that ye have dismissed this stuff without actually reading it.

What has it got to do with gnosticism? The fact that you asked this question is an instant giveaway that you have not looked at any of the articles in any detail . They are rooted in gnosticism.

Gnosticism is essentially about good versus evil; and how the evil creation evil/satan/darkness has imposed itself on goodness.

Aye it all sounds very wishy washy but you only have to look at the murder mayhem and depravity that happens in the world today to see that evil is very real.

read more of the articles and you will understand what she means by divine amoeba.

everything is worthy of consideration. You need to consider things ie read and review to form a valid opinion. You can dismiss it after you have considered and read it, but to write it off based on a quick glance is closed minded.

Nevyn

I did look over it and the titles of the articles do not sum up they are best a hodgepodge of ideas imho.

http://www.gnosis.org/
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Gnosticism/intro.htm
http://www.iep.utm.edu/g/gnostic.htm

I also think maybe your ides on what Gnosticism is maybe slight skewed.

That stuff isn't gnosticism.

Ok, you show us any evidence provided for that stuff, and we'll listen.
And I mean evidence, not "aliens appeared to me" and general schizo ramblings.

jessop1

wow...well done thaedydal, you have proved my point. Each article has around 15 pages of information and you have made your mind up based on the titles - that is hilarious. And you are saying that my view of what gnosis is is skewed.

As I said, you need to read the articles to make an informed opinion. Until you do, you are just sh1te talkin mate.!

"Ok, you show us any evidence provided for that stuff, and we'll listen.
And I mean evidence, not "aliens appeared to me" and general schizo ramblings"

how do you know the evidence isnt in any of the articles if you are not prepared to bother your a*se reading them?? all you have done is selected a paragraph and highlighted it for ridicule...

Because I've read some here and there and all there is is personal anecdotes.
If the evidence is there, be nice and highlight it for us since you're so well acquainted with it.

Sapien

jessop1 wrote:

What has it got to do with gnosticism? The fact that you asked this question is an instant giveaway that you have not looked at any of the articles in any detail . They are rooted in gnosticism.

Gnosticism is essentially about good versus evil; and how the evil creation evil/satan/darkness has imposed itself on goodness.

Thaedydal wrote:

I also think maybe your ides on what Gnosticism is maybe slight skewed.

Oh, just a little.

jessop1 wrote:

wow...well done thaedydal, you have proved my point. Each article has around 15 pages of information and you have made your mind up based on the titles - that is hilarious. And you are saying that my view of what gnosis is is skewed.

Wait a minute - gnosis or Gnosticism? We are all familiar with Alien Astronaut Theory in one form or another. We have all perused this site and found in it excerpts that demonstrate the pitch of its intellectual contentions. And found that it is absurd.

You do not understand Gnosticism, and if this Amitakh Stanford claims that his essays expound Gnostic ideas, neither does he.

(Oh, I'm having a bad, bad forum day)

jessop1

Can you tell me what it is exactly that you are looking for evidence of then..there is a lot of info in there, do you want me to prove it all?

Any of the claims regarding aliens, bringing alien-zapped dogs back to life, aliens controlling the world cup, etc.

jessop1

Sapien - are gnosis/gnosticism and what you call alien astronaut theory mutually exclusive?

jessop1

Bluewolf, there is lots of evidence to suggest alien involvement in world history and affairs, not just from this site, for example the pyramids of egypt; you have the internet in front of you, why dont you do a bit of research yourself...

Sapien

jessop1 wrote:

Sapien - are gnosis/gnosticism and what you call alien astronaut theory mutually exclusive?

No. But just because someone says: "The following is a Gnostic Theory", doesn't mean it is.

jessop1

jessop1 wrote:

Bluewolf, there is lots of evidence to suggest alien involvement in world history and affairs, not just from this site, for example the pyramids of egypt; you have the internet in front of you, why dont you do a bit of research yourself...

The pyramids of egypt? Are you joking?

No, you're the one who insists we believe this site, so you show some evidence for it, please

Sapien

jessop1 wrote:

Bluewolf, there is lots of evidence to suggest alien involvement in world history and affairs, not just from this site, for example the pyramids of egypt; you have the internet in front of you, why dont you do a bit of research yourself...

Perhaps you can save us some time, and tell us why the pyramids of Egypt constitute evidence of alien involvement in human history.

Nevyn

jessop1 wrote:

wow...well done thaedydal, you have proved my point. Each article has around 15 pages of information and you have made your mind up based on the titles - that is hilarious. And you are saying that my view of what gnosis is is skewed.

Actually I opened and read 12 of them I have to vent any links that are posted into the forums that I moderate.
Thankfully I have block reading skills to balance out my dyslexia.

I find the writings alarmist and honestly it could well be this whole thread would be better served in the conspriacy theories forum.

Anunnaki Paedophilia Syndrome

by

Amitakh Stanford

(republished from the Nara site)

3rd February 2006

Paedophilia is on the increase - it is a very lucrative, huge, international industry. The Anunnaki push detrimental behavioural disorders upon the unsuspecting public. This has been done with alcohol, gambling, prostitution, pornography, drugs, slavery, cannibalism, human and animal sacrifices, wars, religions etc. The recent revival of paedophilia is also the brainchild of the ruling elite

jessop1

bluewolf, I cant prove every personal experience the author claims, what I am saying is that the underlying logic of what she is saying makes sense to me. You would need to read a few of the articles in full in order to gain an understanding of the concepts being presented.

I have to leg it now, but I will post some links later on the alien origins of the pyramids and other such like.

I'm not saying you should believe evrything you read, but you really need to actually read it to form a valid opinion or argument against it !

nice debating with ye...peace.

Nevyn

/me ponders the options of the conspiracy theories forum or skeptics or the parrots normal forums.

jessop1

jessop1 wrote:

but you really need to actually read it to form a valid opinion or argument against it !

sorry, but you need to provide something of substance to actually argue with before we can get anywhere.

nice debating with ye...peace.

Indeed

jessop1

This essay gives a good description of what true gnosticism is and also crystallises the link with the xeeatwelve essays & gnosticism.

[url cute due to multipop up windows and spyware]

re the pyramids, both of the authors below have written extensively on the subject:

[/url]http://www.robertbauval.co.uk
http://www.briansbetterworld.com/

Sapien

jessop1 wrote:

This essay gives a good description of what true gnosticism is and also crystallises the link with the xeeatwelve essays & gnosticism.

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/prophecy/23/Essays/summary.html

True gnosticism? Are you serious? That's even worse than the last site! Such vile, farraginous nonsense. Do you understand that gnosticism has existed for millenia, and has encompassed, in its various forms, Jewish, Christian and Muslim mysticism. It is not merely a free-for-all dumping ground for the lunacies of modern conspiracy theorists. Perhaps you should look into it a little - then perhaps you wouldn't throw these words around with such flippancy. The Wiki article on the subject is a decent start.

jessop1 wrote:

re the pyramids, both of the authors below have written extensively on the subject:

http://www.robertbauval.co.uk
http://www.briansbetterworld.com/

Give us your own synthesis of the evidence. Presumably you're convinced - give us a few reasons why.

jessop1

its funny that you dont see the irony of you "debunking" this material while simultaneously quoting wiki as a reliable source.... I've noticed this trend with debunkers like you using silly big words to try to kill an argument... do you really think that what wiki says or indeed what any of the mainstream religious texts say are any less "farraginous" than this?? at least this material tries to address and understand why the world today is the way it is, can you offer any alternative theories that address that question?...come to think of it, do you have any spiritual or religious leanings or are you an outright sceptic, and therefore just trolling this thread? pray tell...

as for the pyramids, like everything else, I try to keep an open mind on the subject, I am willing to consider all evidence and not rule anything out or in. I have yet to hear credible evidence that the known technology of the time could have achieved the pyramids.

Seeing as you are taking the hard stance and ruling it out absolutely, perhaps the onus is on you to back up your case with proof?

Sapien

I'm out.

Tar.Aldarion

Pythagoras was an early mathematician who developed several useful formulae that are still applied today. However, he was much more than a mathematician, he was the Divine Amoeba incarnated.

This has to be one of the funniest sentences I have ever read.

Hurray for us Pythagoreans.

stormkeeper

I'm actually afraid to click that link considering the extracts I've seen from the site! I bet if I were to read the site, I'd still have the same opinion I have currently...

Edit: Well, I caved in and clicked, and looked at that "Virtual Reality" article, seeing as I have an interest in that stuff. Anyway, I read the first paragraph (shown below) and literally exclaimed "What the hell?!" to the screen!

All of the "natural laws" that govern the physical world are based upon illusions that have been conjured up by Darkness. All "natural laws" in the Virtual Reality are purposely imposed upon the inhabitants of the Dodecahedron - the Virtual Reality - to disadvantage the inhabitants (who are really prisoners or slaves of Darkness), and to benefit Darkness. Every illusion employed by Darkness is founded on the Grand Illusion of Motion.

Edit 2: I clicked on another article, and have already gotten to the point that simply looking at the article (without reading it) makes my head spin! I dunno if it's because of the black on green (which isn't good for my Aspergers), or if I just "read" it and got the vibe from it that is head-spinning stuff. Either way, I can't read the site any more, because I feel that my head might explode if I did!

jessop1

jessop1 wrote:

its funny that you dont see the irony of you "debunking" this material while simultaneously quoting wiki as a reliable source.... I've noticed this trend with debunkers like you using silly big words to try to kill an argument... do you really think that what wiki says or indeed what any of the mainstream religious texts say are any less "farraginous" than this??

I'm sure we could mince it down into nice one-syllable words for you :rolleyes:
What wiki says is usually better than the stuff you've shown us. Also, he said it was a good start. Not the be all and end all.

at least this material tries to address and understand why the world today is the way it is, can you offer any alternative theories that address that question?

What do you mean, why it's the way it is? It just is. You don't need aliens to go on about it.

Nevyn

after reading the foloowing from the site i moved the thread to here.

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/brink_nwo.html

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/alien_battle.html

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/new_reptilian_pope.html

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/aliens.html

stormkeeper

Thaedydal wrote:

after reading the foloowing from the site i moved the thread to here.

Well, that means it's out of my "area"...

Indeed, I'm out of here too...

Nevyn

Given the thread is about the disscusion of the content of the site if you read any of the links above you will see that it is more suited to here.

stormkeeper

That's fair enough. While I may have some interest in aliens, I'm afraid I'm not that strong a talker/debater on conspiracy theories. I'll leave the topic to those with much more skill in the aforementioned things.

Nevyn

Well you could ask the mods here to move it to the parrots normal forum oh sorry the paranormal forum.

stormkeeper

Nah, you're grand... I wouldn't know what to talk about in this thread, apart from how much the site makes my head spin!

jessop1

this over moderated thread belongs in the spiritual forum, the theme of xeeatwelve is spiritual moreso than about aliens - even though they do feature heavily ... and why are the two mutually exclusive anyway??

In posting in the spiritual forum, I expected to discuss with people who are interested in spirituality, not a litany of responses from outright sceptics whose only interest is in scoffing at it, including, shamefully the moderator.

For those who are interested in spirituality and open to spiritual concepts, is it such a leap to go from accepting that consciousness continues after physical death to accepting the possibility of alien consciousnesses & alien races from other planets existing in the same way and that they have in the past interacted with this planet and continue to do so?

particularly the second article I have posted, which was cut by the mod (I can post the text here if requested and the mod allows it) is very much spiritual, and about the existence of god & satan, good/evil and the nature of consiousness and what the author and I personally believe is true gnosticism, not the versions of gnosticism that were hijacked and corrupted in order to mislead by the mainstream religions over the centuries/millenia.

Thats the wiki stuff and thats why I think its wrong and why I am posting this alternative spiritual viewpoint for discussion. Whats so wrong with that moderator??

I am requesting that this thread be moved back to the spiritual forum, if Thaedydal is not prepared to do this, perhaps a more impartial mod could look into this.

Nevyn

I am not a mod of this forum I have no power to do anything further to this thread.

jessop1

you are a mod of the spirituality forum (or so it says in your profile) and so I assume it was you that moved it out of that forum without good reason. perhaps you might do the decent thing and ask the mod of this forum to move it back to the spirituality forum where it belongs.

By the way, how am I fixed to paste the text of the second article I posted into a thread here? its over 20k words so would need to be pasted over 3 posts. Is this allowed?

I think its an interesting read for anyone interested in learning more about true gnosticism

thanks

Nevyn

If you want it moved you ask the mod or wait for one of them to get arround to reviewing the thread.

The reason was the content of the site had more to do with world wide conspiracies then with spirituality.

jessop1

I've already explained to you that its primary basis is in spirituality, which includes references to conspiracies/aliens.

if you had read any of the articles in full you would see this.

examples:

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/sleep_world.html - this is the most recent article its at the top of the list!

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/John_S's_poems.html

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/evil.html

seeing as it was you who inappropriately moved the thread, dont you think its your responsibilty to get this rectified rather than brushing me off to wait for someone else to review it? jeez, whats the story with moderator standards around here....

by the way am I allowed to post the text of the link you deleted?

Nevyn

Don't as k me this is not my forum and yes you have to talk to the mods who mods this forum.

I deleted that link as I already stated as it had many popups and caused a few peoples pc to freeze.

jessop1

the least you could do is talk direct to the mods of this forum yourself in order to expedite things, your obviously are not inclined to help, fair enough.

fair enough re deleting that link and the popups, I have looked at that site on a number of different pcs, the most I've had to do is close the popup though, no crashes or freezes... anyway, for the third time, can I post the text of that article on this thread please? as I said, its 20k + words, so would have to be posted over three posts...

Nevyn

the least you could do is talk direct to the mods of this forum yourself in order to expedite things,

again if you want the thread moved you pm the mods.

for the third time, can I post the text of that article on this thread please?

nothing to do with me if you want persmission to do something in this thread in the forum you have to ask the mods of this forum.

I am just as poster/user here like everyone else.

jessop1

come to think of it, if the mod on this forum decides to put it back into the spirituality forum, do you intend to remove it from there again?

jessop1

"nothing to do with me if you want persmission to do something in this thread in the forum you have to ask the mods of this forum."

I was asking from the perspective of general boards rules - if there is a 10k cap on the amount of words in a post, is it a problem posting more than that over a number of posts.

strange by the way that you dont see yourself having any responsibilty for this thread moving, seeing as you moved it in the first place. If you had just left it alone we wouldnt be wasting time with these silly posts back and forth and I could be discussing the contents of the articles with others in the most appropriate forum.

(exasperated again at mod standards here)

Nevyn

This is not a forum I mod I can be as off topic as I want until a moderator of this forum asks me not to.