3/6 cash hand.

Gholimoli

Stacks
Me 700 ish
Villain covers

no real read on villain expect that he is not a muppet.

Folded to villain on the CO who makes it 21.
Folded to me on BB and I call with 98s.

Flop(45)

567 two spades (when I saw this flop I had tears in my eyes and whispered to it “you complete me…)

I bet out 25 (comments?)
Villain raises to 70 .
I call.

Turn (185)
K not spade .
I lead 150 (comments)
Villain calls.

River(500 ish)
5 of spades compelting the flush.

I check(comments?)
Villain shoves.

I fold (comments)

i have 98 of hearts so i dont have the flush.

5starpool

you obviously made a mistake with the HH Gholi cause if you have 89s and the flop came 567 with 2 spades and the river came the 5s then you must have had a straight flush, but I know you would have spotted that and not folded. Did the board pair in the end at all?

Story bud? (as the jackeens say)

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

you obviously made a mistake with the HH Gholi cause if you have 89s and the flop came 567 with 2 spades and the river came the 5s then you must have had a straight flush, but I know you would have spotted that and not folded. Did the board pair in the end at all?

Story bud? (as the jackeens say)

i fixed the post.i have 98 hearts and not spade

ianmc38

I like the weakish lead on the flop. I'd be tempted to 3-bet with the spades on the board.

Turn is standard.

I'm not mad on the river check-fold, though a bet of 150/200 is asking to get raised and is almost pricing us in to calling a shove. Toughy. I think we're ahead here a certain amount of the time.

willis

Good line imo. The river toughie, what do we think villain calls the turn with, KK or AhKh are only 2 reasonable hands imo, therefore we fold. If the board didnt pair on river Gholi how would you have played it?

5starpool

Ok, the old s=suited as well as s=spades issue again.

Anyhow, I am not sure this is a certain fold on the river. There are loads of hands he may have here that will push that river given the fact that you have lead the betting on both streets until the scare card which you check. Some of these hands will beat you, but a lot will not. Tough decision.

Gholimoli

willis wrote:

Good line imo. The river toughie, what do we think villain calls the turn with, KK or AhKh are only 2 reasonable hands imo, therefore we fold. If the board didnt pair on river Gholi how would you have played it?

if the board didnt pair i would be much more inclined in check/calling as it i would be beating a range of hands that he would push with including any set.
TBH i just dont see him pushing here with anything i can beat . the only AK in his range would be AKs and im beat by that.no ther AK would be in his range as his been calling my bets on two streets so far.

willis

5starpool wrote:

Anyhow, I am not sure this is a certain fold on the river. There are loads of hands he may have here that will push that river given the fact that you have lead the betting on both streets until the scare card which you check. Some of these hands will beat you, but a lot will not. Tough decision.

There are feck all hands that villain can have that we beat. He raised preflop, reraised the flop, and called a pot bet by us on the turn...his range has to be very small imo(AA,AK,77/66/55). Also the shove on the river stinks of a full house, the nutflush would bet less in the hope to be paid off, but by shoving the full house the villain would hope to be called by flush/straight

HalfBaked

Gholimoli wrote:

(when I saw this flop I had tears in my eyes and whispered to it “you complete me…)

lol

5starpool

willis wrote:

There are feck all hands that villain can have that we beat. He raised preflop, reraised the flop, and called a pot bet by us on the turn...his range has to be very small imo(AA,AK,77/66/55). Also the shove on the river stinks of a full house, the nutflush would bet less in the hope to be paid off, but by shoving the full house the villain would hope to be called by flush/straight

He said he seems to be 'not a muppet', he didn't describe him as a rock. He will not always have a huge hand here. He may have AA or QQ or AK without the fluch possibly, as well as having hands that beat gholi. Assuming he only plays with real hands that have in some way connected with the flop isn't always going to be true. Betting a scare river card when checked to you in a 2 way pot usually indicates that your opponent hates the card. It doesn't take a genius to figure that ne out, esp when he led 2 streets of betting and then checked the scare card.

pok3rplaya

I'm not to worried about the board pairing because anyone with a set will raise earlier in the hand because of the co-ordinated board. Given the read I don't think the opp makes it to the river with two raw spades. Thus I decide I don't believe the **** and as such I am inclined to call and scream some crap about STUPID FISHES!!!1111 into the chatbox soon after.

RoundTower

I would like to 3 bet the flop, there are a lot of worse hands that will play with you. Tough fold on the river, I think it is right against many players but I don't think I would fold to an unknown here.

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

Stacks
Me 700 ish
Villain covers

no real read on villain expect that he is not a muppet.

Folded to villain on the CO who makes it 21.
Folded to me on BB and I call with 98s.

Flop(45)

567 two spades (when I saw this flop I had tears in my eyes and whispered to it “you complete me…)

I bet out 25 (comments?)
Villain raises to 70 .
I call.

Turn (185)
K not spade .
I lead 150 (comments)
Villain calls.

River(500 ish)
5 of spades compelting the flush.

I check(comments?)
Villain shoves.

I fold (comments)

i have 98 of hearts so i dont have the flush.

I reraise on the flop most of the time, and if I flat call his raise on the flop I will check the turn looking to check raise. As played I am probably folding to the push on the river but by leading the turn and checking the river you have basically told villain we hate that spade and he may well be running a nice bluff, but I dont like looking him up for my whole stack.

spectre

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I reraise on the flop most of the time, and if I flat call his raise on the flop I will check the turn looking to check raise. As played I am probably folding to the push on the river but by leading the turn and checking the river you have basically told villain we hate that spade and he may well be running a nice bluff, but I dont like looking him up for my whole stack.

Why 3-bet the flop? Are you not telling your opponent your exact holding, therefore allowing him to play perfecly?

willis

5starpool wrote:

He said he seems to be 'not a muppet', he didn't describe him as a rock. He will not always have a huge hand here. He may have AA or QQ or AK without the fluch possibly, as well as having hands that beat gholi. Assuming he only plays with real hands that have in some way connected with the flop isn't always going to be true. Betting a scare river card when checked to you in a 2 way pot usually indicates that your opponent hates the card. It doesn't take a genius to figure that ne out, esp when he led 2 streets of betting and then checked the scare card.

He didnt call the pot bet on turn after reraisning gholi on the flop with air. Therefore he has a hand. If he has QQ he is an idiot playing this way. Yes he may have AA, but why the heck would he push the river...he has showdown value. AK with no flush possible, but again it would be an idiotic push. IMO and from experience the way this hand played is v rarely a bluff, i definitely foldthis river, we only beat a bluff

Hectorjelly

pok3rplaya wrote:

I'm not to worried about the board pairing because anyone with a set will raise earlier in the hand because of the co-ordinated board.

The opponent raised preflop and raised the flop. The only street he didnt raise was the turn. (allthough technically he didnt raise the river)

fuzzbox

I 3-bet the flop and shove the turn.

Your line is pretty good Gholi, I just dont like slowplaying str8s, esp. on 2 flush boards when Im oop.

pok3rplaya

Hectorjelly wrote:

The opponent raised preflop and raised the flop. The only street he didnt raise was the turn. (allthough technically he didnt raise the river)

OOpsy!

MrPillowTalk

spectre wrote:

Why 3-bet the flop? Are you not telling your opponent your exact holding, therefore allowing him to play perfecly?

no your not.

you have the best hand but there are plenty of scare cards you want to get the money in the pot now. Calling leading the turn means villain really needs a big hand to raise the turn and thus stack himself.

Poker & Pints

Gholi, what was ur reason for only calling the raise on the flop? I guess i'm inlcined to come right back over the top hard here....I don't want someone sucking out the flush.... and they have to pay to get it.

Atlas_IRL

sticky situation i would say you way ahead on the flop( i would have liked to take it down there as it is a scary board) and turn, your turn raise is good when the 5 of spades come up i would be done with the hand...

What do people think about slowplaying a weak straight/flush vs betting them out and taking it down on the flop?