Advent Children

Zombienosh

By now most of, if not all of us have seen/bought it, so simply put....


was the film a yay or nay?

Laguna

I thought it was terrible, for me it pissed on the cherished memories of a great game/story. It's gone as far as souring me against the whole Final Fantasy franchise and as I won't fork out for a mortgage for a PS3, I guess the last experience I have with Final Fantasy will be a bad one, which is a shame as FF7 and FF8 are among my two favourite games ever.

The whole movie just reeked of a franchise cash in to drum up interest in the new FF7 games for the PSP and PS2, the 'plot' was at best incoherent and to be honest, an insult to the epic storytelling of the original game. Yes, the visuals and audio were impressive but they couldn't save what was, for me, a huge disappointment.

Retr0gamer

Atrocious. The storyline was awful and the fight scenes while technically impressive were over the top and silly. The way they introduced the characters reeked of fanservice. They also commited the sin of sequels not once but twice by bringing back 2 dead characters will little explanation. The storyline was also extremely contradictionary to the original. Overall it was just a cash in fan service just like FFX-2 except far worse. As for the music. I thought it was weak. Some decent tracks, the rest mostly awful.

Even though it disappointed me as a Final Fantasy fan, taken as a film it was just plain bad.

Cina

Nay as a sequel. Yay as a wonderful CGI movie.

grimloch

Cina wrote:

Nay as a sequel. Yay as a wonderful CGI movie.

As a CGI movie it was pretty poor I think. I haven't seen it in full quality but just looking at the screenshots, you wouldn't think it was made so many years after The Spirits Within. Not much of a step-up at all.

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

But hey, it looked absolutely amazing

Again, I disagree. Pay a little closer attention to the fight scenes. The characters look like barbie dolls half of the time. Also, the scene in the church where Tifa is fighting one of those white haired bozos features some absolutely diabolical animation.

I can't say I found the film to be technically impressive at all. I won't comment much on the story other than it was paper thin and you could see from pretty early on that it was just some way of getting Sephiroth to make another appearance. The music I liked.

Crucifix

If there was a middley option I'd have gone for it, but since you pushed me...nay. It may have looked nice, it may have had a big budget, it may have been official; but it was still just fan fic.

Rhyme

As a film, not a hope... didnt enjoy it properly at all. As a mess, yes.

grimloch

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

Well I think the fight scenes went completely overboard, one aspect of the film I didn't like at all. But I think as a whole the film looked amazing, there were some beautiful set pieces.

If I have the time, I can get a few time references for you, so that you can see what I mean. I'm not sure if I'll have a chance tonight, maybe expect and edit in the next hour or so.

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

I think people were expecting a bit much from AC, it was a cash-in from the day they announced it was being made. At the end of the day I'd rather it was made than not made, it brought to life the characters and the world to some degree, and whatever about the story it was still enjoyable in my opinion.

One point that I overlooked and was brought to my attention; most of the VII fans say that they like VII because of its supposedly great story, AC had barely enough story to string together those fight scenes and had very little quality story of which to speak of. One can't help being confused at the whole situation.

I'll agree with you about them being completely over the top, there was no evidence in the game whatsoever to suggest that the whole party were wall climbing jedi. If that was the case, the Shinra building would have been of no concern to them whatsoever, nor the Nibelheim mountains for that matter.


EDIT FOR REFS: The points I'm referring to are 22.49 to 22.53, very sloppy animation altogether.

36.46, they're in the air, a Barbie doll moment if there ever was one.

The whole Sephiroth/Cloud scene looks very rigid and unnatural. One or two notable exceptions but at least you could claim that it's inconsistant.

That being said though, most of it really is too fast to really notice things. It's only when things are played frame by frame that these things become noticable. The movement between frames is absolutely shocking, far too much going on. I'd go so far as to say that they're covering up their half assed animation by making things faster.

GAAman

I was given this ages ago only got around to watchin it the other night.

Now i never had an interest in the ff series but i thought this film was really good. The cgi was mind blowing and the story (ok so i wouldnt have gotten all the refs etc) was written in a way that can include ppl who wouldnt have followed the story

So its a yay from me

GK¦ Ixion²

While i didnt find the storyline altogether impressive or immersive,i didnt hate the story either. And i guess expecting it to live up to ff7 was a naive thing to hope for. It could have been way better but in the end i rather it be there simply as another way to indulge myself in the FF7 world. Enjoyable but not fantastic. Yay i say.

shatners basoon

Personally i thought it was a really ridiculous film but i loved it the way you love a film like battlefield earth (though its not quite up there) so bad it was funny.
Therefore - as entertainment -yeay
as aproduct of FF-nay

carbonkid

Was lacking in storyline but i still really enjoyed it, unlike the first FF movie! It was very pretty with some cool battle scenes...thats all i was expecting so im going with a yay ^_^

I came across this short movie earlier today online - FF VII last order. Its about half hr long i think, not sure how its linked to the movie till i get my hands on it. Anyone seen it?

DarthWraak

Retr0gamer wrote:

Overall it was just a cash in fan service just like FFX-2 except far worse

Worse that FF X-2?? I wouldn't go that far

carbonkid wrote:

I came across this short movie earlier today online - FF VII last order. Its about half hr long i think, not sure how its linked to the movie till i get my hands on it. Anyone seen it?

Yeh, I saw it. But now in a way I want to admit. I believe I put up a link to it's torrent here once, and nearly got banned lol. It was pretty good in my opinion. Gave more of an insight into the happenings of Zack and Cloud in their escape from Nibelheim. In the game all we see is them both in the back of a truck cab and Zack being shot. The end of the anime was a bit vauge though...

carbonkid

Start and end of last order was wee bit all strange but middle back made alot of sense ^_^

Kiith

I thought the film was great looking. Story wasnt anything special, but i loved some of it. Any chance to see Sephiroth is good in my view. Liked some of the music as well. And yes, they were really overpowered. But give me two years to level up my characters on FFVII, and they'd easily be that tough

Retr0gamer wrote:

like FFX-2 except far worse.

Blasphemy!! Nothing is worse then that awful game.

Blackdragon

Kiith wrote:

I thought the film was great looking. Story wasnt anything special, but i loved some of it. Any chance to see Sephiroth is good in my view. Liked some of the music as well. And yes, they were really overpowered. But give me two years to level up my characters on FFVII, and they'd easily be that tough



Blasphemy!! Nothing is worse then that awful game.

Agreed - whoever they put in charge of creating that bloddy game should be shot.

grimloch

X-2 is wonderful.

Tar.Aldarion

Your avatar betrays that you are on the darkside.

/slips into powerful sexy outfit

Black Jack

well i thought Advent children was brilliant, made purely for FFVII fans and anyone who has an interest, ok to all the ass's out there, yeah it has not got a great story for gods sake, get over it,

the games never had a good storys, never there all kind of hard to follow and a bit on the crap side, so if your sitting there watching a CG movie made from a PS game and then being critical of the storyline , your a sad case, go and get some friends.

If your sitting there watching the amazing CG and being happy at seeing your favourite FFVII characters brought to life in jaw dropping Cg then your a real fan, only geeks and assholes sit their going "Well i thought the story was a bit out there and.....blah blah blah" twats

does the hour long fight scene at the end not tell you this was not made for the story line, but for the excellent fight scenes and CG.

The fact that the animation is way beyond anything the americans companys can do is not to be sniffed at and even in the original "Spirits within" some of the animation is still better than what Hollywood can produce.

This movie is all about the "cool" factor and if your a real FF gamer then you will enjoy even with the sound off.

Ohh and i advise watching the Japanese language version, since the characters mouths are syncronised to speaking japanese and not english.

grimloch

Black Jack wrote:

the games never had a good storys,

Yes they did, and most of them didn't have such glaring plot holes as AC. Very poor and very lazy scriptwriting. Minus points for that.

Black Jack wrote:

If your sitting there watching the amazing CG and being happy at seeing your favourite FFVII characters brought to life in jaw dropping Cg then your a real fan,

The animation is far from jaw dropping, in fact, in many places, it's very sloppily done and the barbie doll fight scenes certainly don't help matters.

Black Jack wrote:

This movie is all about the "cool" factor and if your a real FF gamer then you will enjoy even with the sound off.

That's a bit silly now. How am I not a "real" FF gamer because I'm not impressed by that lazy, half assed cash in on the VIII franchise? It takes a bit more to amuse me than a bunch of crap looking fight scenes and Cloud being an emo for an hour and a half.

N1njapirate

It was amazing.. Final Fantasy Vii is full of nostalgia for me. The first time I watched it with my brother we watched it in Japenese (subtitled) as we couldn't wait for the English version.

All true fans must love it.. Seeing Cloud and Sephiroth again, it was beautiful!

senordingdong

Any idea what the makers have said about this por feedback.

Retr0gamer

senordingdong wrote:

Any idea what the makers have said about this por feedback.

I'd hazard a guess that it was something along the lines of 'Mwhahahaha!!!!'as they laughed all the way to the bank after making so much on such an awful piece of fan service.

grimloch

senordingdong wrote:

Any idea what the makers have said about this por feedback.

The fact of the matter is that the group of people who say the film is a load of bollix is heavily outnumbered by the group who think it's the best bloody thing to happen since God started slicing bread.

Not by any any standards could the film be considered good, with the possible exception of the cool factor. I am completely baffled by the forums full of people who claim it's fantastic and the best CGI thing EVAR.

seraphimvc

i didnt vote~
i mean~tats the greatest CG movie u can ever see in human history(at least till 2006 though:p )~my eyes r comforted....

BUT...the storyline of the movie..........

well...its just a “Commemoration animation” for FF7......(well,u would say another excuse of ripping off our money....):p dun take it serious....SE never take it serious though...if they do...they would make it like FF:Spirit Within on the big screen....;)

Laguna wrote:

I thought it was terrible, for me it pissed on the cherished memories of a great game/story. It's gone as far as souring me against the whole Final Fantasy franchise and as I won't fork out for a mortgage for a PS3, I guess the last experience I have with Final Fantasy will be a bad one, which is a shame as FF7 and FF8 are among my two favourite games ever.

The whole movie just reeked of a franchise cash in to drum up interest in the new FF7 games for the PSP and PS2, the 'plot' was at best incoherent and to be honest, an insult to the epic storytelling of the original game. Yes, the visuals and audio were impressive but they couldn't save what was, for me, a huge disappointment.

try ff6....pls...;)

grimloch wrote:

X-2 is wonderful.

ohno ...u dun say tat.....:rolleyes:

senordingdong wrote:

Any idea what the makers have said about this por feedback.

ah...this movie is a “Commemoration animation” for FF7 fans.....everyone knew tat before they see it....

i m really really happy to see aeris and tifa (and of course all those guys!!)again........emm...dreamy....

pbsuxok1znja4r

Didn't like it.
Red was cool. But yeah, it blew.

senordingdong

Yeah, I watched it.
I really enjoyed it.

It did reek of cash in but I don't think it was all that bad. It seemed some of the makers were as considerate to the fans as they could have been.
It had alot of flaws...I hated the fight scenes, it was like a failed mix of the Matrix and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. What's the point of a good fight scene if you can't see it? However, in the making of thign on the bonus disc, the makers do give some good explanaitions.
I didn't like the soundstrack...with the exception of the Rock Version of the Jenova theme during Clouds fight with Kadaj. I think the rock version of One Winged Angel was awful and the other remixes too.
I didn't like how the other characters were brought in, they might aswell have not been there like.

However, I thought the CGI was amazing, I loved how it brought the characters to life, and I think the story was good too.

The Don

I loved the FF VII game and thought Advent Children was excellent. A yay from me.

Also Last Order was a good teaser in the wait for AC.

entropi

senordingdong wrote:

Yeah, I watched it.
I really enjoyed it.

I hated the fight scenes, it was like a failed mix of the Matrix and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. What's the point of a good fight scene if you can't see it?

Well i for one thought the fight scenes were actually pretty nice, not way over the top but then again they are basically all sephiroth fighting itself if you think about it...

I think the rock version of One Winged Angel was awful and the other remixes too.

OMFG how could you not like that !!. The Black Mages would have your head for saying such blasphemous words hehe, imo that remix rocked and i'd LOVE to hear an album by them[ do they have any released over here or can they be bought on import ?]

However, I thought the CGI was amazing, I loved how it brought the characters to life, and I think the story was good too.

I agree on this also, but the CG in FFX was very nice also, could have been used instead...

grimloch

Death Sentence wrote:

imo that remix rocked and i'd LOVE to hear an album by them[ do they have any released over here or can they be bought on import ?]
.

You can get imports of some of their stuff on www.cduniverse.com and on ebay obviously.

But holy f*cking Christ they're expensive on cduniverse.

senordingdong

Death Sentence wrote:

Well i for one thought the fight scenes were actually pretty nice,

I didn't like them because firstly they looked like normal fight scenes...in fast forward. And secondly, the ridiculousness of everybody being able to 'fly'?

Death Sentence wrote:

OMFG how could you not like that !!.

I didn't like it because...well, I didn't like it the way I don't like hearing dance remixes of other classic songs.


I checked it out...their cd's aren't that expensive on cduniverse...considering they're imports.

Vokes

Death Sentence wrote:

OMFG how could you not like that !!. The Black Mages would have your head for saying such blasphemous words hehe, imo that remix rocked and i'd LOVE to hear an album by them[ do they have any released over here or can they be bought on import ?]

The Black Mages are way overrated.

Retr0gamer

SofaKing wrote:

The Black Mages are way overrated.

No they aren't, they're just plain sh*t.

Thought the soundtrack to Advent Children was bad but not as bad as the film itself. The rock version of One Winged Angel was blasphemy.

Vokes

Well, I was trying to be diplomatic, but i guess you put it more eloquently, Retro

Otacon

Personally I thought AC was a great homage to the game, the characters are exactly as I remember them, the fight scenes were beautiful tbh (to anyone who thought flying was annoying, I suppose Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is a crock of sh*t too!) and the music was brilliantly composed, my favourite being the rock version of One-Winged Angel.

As for the storyline, it was never going to be as indepth as we may have liked as 1. its a two-hour movie, not a 60 hour game and 2. any movie based on a separate source needs to be accessible to non-fans also.

senordingdong

In fairness, it's not a sequel.

Tar.Aldarion

I love the soundtrack, would like to get it. Hmm, actually I must watch this again, very entertaining.

OctavarIan

I really love Advent Children. So what if the plot is weak, it was really great to see everything and all the characters in such brilliant detail. The way the characters were introduced reeked of fanservice? So what? I don't know any fans who were disappointed with that aspect. The fights scenes may have been unrealistic, but if they were gonna be realistic they may have well have used real-life characters, which would have been really weird. (some glorified cosplay movie) I really enjoyed the fight scenes, they were very fast and exciting.

As for the soundtrack. It's probably the best soundtrack to a movie I have ever heard. All the remixes sound fantastic, and I can't knock a single track. The power in some of the songs is incredible.

DeathSentence wrote:

The Black Mages would have your head for saying such blasphemous words hehe, imo that remix rocked and i'd LOVE to hear an album by them[ do they have any released over here or can they be bought on import ?]

afaik The Black Mages didn't do any of the remixes for the soundtrack. Just Nobuo did. And I actually don't like the black mages remixes all that much, they lack the power of the AC ones.

grimloch

OctavarIan wrote:

The way the characters were introduced reeked of fanservice? So what? I don't know any fans who were disappointed with that aspect.

I completely fail to believe that anyone was impressed by what was at best a series of cameo appearances during which the characters in question only did or said something very basic that attempted to sum up their personality. That last part was unclear so I'll give you an example. Do you remember the part where Yuffie dropps in from the sky, perhaps at the start of the bahamut scene? Once she lands she covers her mouth with her hand, as if she was going to throw up, echoing some comment about flight sickness made during the actual game.

There may well have been something about materia aswell, I'm not entirely sure.

OctavarIan

grimloch wrote:

I completely fail to believe that anyone was impressed

Well that's your problem.

And I never mentioned anyone being impressed by it. I wouldn't expect anyone to be impressed by it, it's textbook stuff. But I don't know anyone who watched it and was disappointed by seeing the other playable characters make some sort of an appearance. It would be asking a lot to have all the characters playing a more prominent role, and leaving some out would spark fanboy riots. You can't satisfy everyone eh? :rolleyes:

grimloch

I find it a bit odd that people wouldn't be disappointed by "textbook stuff" as you refer to it as.

I don't see why the characters couldn't make a more prominent role, it's a damn sight better than shoehorning them in for the sake of shoehorning and it's quite clear why they were shoehorned in in the first place.

You can't satisfy everyone eh?:rolleyes:

Lol.:D I'm fully aware that I have my tent pitched in the minority camp here.

senordingdong

grimloch wrote:

Once she lands she covers her mouth with her hand, as if she was going to throw up, echoing some comment about flight sickness made during the actual game.

There may well have been something about materia aswell, I'm not entirely sure.

She asked Tifa, 'who's been messin with my materia?'

I agree that they were shoe-horned, but their roles weren't that much more prominent then they were in the game. In my opinion anyway.

Cravez

Ill admit as well the story was very confusing in some aspects, like the geo-stigma and how it came about, but isnt there a movie/game being released called "crisis core" that explains the events leading up to the movie? The only part(s) of the movie that i liked were the Bahamut and Sephiroth scenes. The rest was more dragged out dribble. However i still enjoyed it so it gets a yay from me.

DarthWraak

Ive seen crisis core. It only shows what happened to Cloud and Zack in more detail than in the game.

Agreed. Bahamut and Sephiroth scenes make the movie worth watching.