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ethics

  • 11-07-2006 12:11AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭


    ethics of paranormal investageion...people view's? who has the right to pry into the world of spirits


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    ethics of paranormal investageion...people view's? who has the right to pry into the world of spirits

    Everyone has, the same way anyone has the right to research any religon/culture or belief system, but when doing any of these things it is best to show the respect that these subject are due.

    In answer to your question, people who uses Caps, punctuation and can spell Investigation ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    If the ghosts have a problem with it, I have every hope they will let me know. I really really do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Before delving into an ethical debate, we must first prove that the 'world of spirits' is an actual reality, then we must strive to understand more about it. After that we decide whether it's ethical or not. ;)

    Most haunting cases being investigated by investigators would not be initiated by the investigators, instead the 'spirit' would make itself known to them - the investigator just happens to be there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Kernel wrote:
    Before delving into an ethical debate, we must first prove that the 'world of spirits' is an actual reality, then we must strive to understand more about it. After that we decide whether it's ethical or not. ;)

    Er no we dont, we dont demand proof here remember. This thread is going on the presumption that they exist, based on the fact that many people here have had experiences with them. This thread came about from a thread in the Spirituality Forum here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    6th wrote:
    Er no we dont, we dont demand proof here remember. This thread is going on the presumption that they exist, based on the fact that many people here have had experiences with them. This thread came about from a thread in the Spirituality Forum here.

    Oh yeah, I forgot that this forum doesn't require proof... My bad.

    The problem remains - how can we debate ethics for something we know so little about? Maybe the spirits would be pissed off, maybe not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Kernel wrote:
    Maybe the spirits would be pissed off, maybe not.

    Exactly so would you say thats it would be best to go at it with respect?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    My view would be that any spirit capable of being offended, would also be capable of not revealing itself if it it so chose. Altough really I don't see why any spirit would care much about most of what goes on here one way or the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    stevenmu wrote:
    Altough really I don't see why any spirit would care much about most of what goes on here one way or the other.

    The OP brought this up as a come back to being told reading people without their concent can be disrespectful, so its carried over from the Aura Reading thread in Spirituality.

    Basic manners and respect are the way to go in most situations imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    6th wrote:
    Exactly so would you say thats it would be best to go at it with respect?

    Well, being nice never hurts and doesn't cost anything I guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    6th wrote:
    In answer to your question, people who uses Caps, punctuation and can spell Investigation ;)

    It was a civil question. Be nice!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Sorry was just jesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Cactus Col


    ethics of paranormal investageion...people view's? who has the right to pry into the world of spirits


    From what I understand though, (and I'm sure a load of people will tell me I'm wrong) there is very little paranormal investigating done. The purpose of a common paranormal investagation would be to confirm or not whether a place is haunted. Or recording the events that happen during a haunting.

    There seems to be very little actual investigation into the spirit world. (at least from what I've been reading here)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    The Paranormal Investigations i've been on are more investigations into the affects of hauntings on the location/enviroment and the people there.

    I'm not 100% happy with the term Investigation but it suits fine for want of a better discription.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Cactus Col wrote:
    From what I understand though, (and I'm sure a load of people will tell me I'm wrong) there is very little paranormal investigating done. The purpose of a common paranormal investagation would be to confirm or not whether a place is haunted. Or recording the events that happen during a haunting.

    There seems to be very little actual investigation into the spirit world. (at least from what I've been reading here)

    That is the irony. As I have just posted elsewhere, the proportion of investigations is negligible compared to to number of reported cases. It is akin to studying an eyelash to figure out what the creature is.

    That apart, I thinkthe OP may have been referring to the actions of psychics and mediums aswell as paranormal investigators.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭my_house


    I'd view 'investigations' as a way of collecting data. none of it may be conclusive but it adds to the overall data collected by people worldwide which may be of use to someone way down the line in years to come. And I'd agree with treating these types of occasions with respect


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Were even being PC with the spirit world now.:)

    My thoughts would be that you would deal with the spirit world in the same way as you deal with other people in this world. Ie, have some manners. Unless of course they are being nasty, when all bets are off. If you are investigating somewhere I presume its their choice whether they 'come out to play' so to speak, so I cant see it being an ethical issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭El_mariachi


    6th wrote:
    The OP brought this up as a come back to being told reading people without their concent can be disrespectful, so its carried over from the Aura Reading thread in Spirituality.

    QUOTE]

    whats your problem is it coz i shot your argument down....

    The OP brought this up as a come back ??????? i

    t wasn't a come back, it is a question what give you any right to investage anything??? well??? you still haven't answered that!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    I don't think we'd have any 'right' as such to investigate spirits, but I don't see how the general course of events on an investigation would be in anyway offensive to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    KatieK wrote:
    Were even being PC with the spirit world now.:)

    Ghosts have feelings too ya know!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper


    psi wrote:
    Ghosts have feelings too ya know!

    Yes they do... and they don't like it when dogs go into their kitchens sniffing about!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    6th wrote:
    The OP brought this up as a come back to being told reading people without their concent can be disrespectful, so its carried over from the Aura Reading thread in Spirituality.

    whats your problem is it coz i shot your argument down....

    The OP brought this up as a come back ??????? it wasn't a come back, it is a question what give you any right to investage anything??? well??? you still haven't answered that!

    Actually I answered your question in my first post in this thread, would you like me to re-post it bigger?

    As for the aura thread i'm more than happy to discuss that here :cool: - click the smiley!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭kshiel


    We dont know what the spirit world is actually like so we have no way in knowing unless people investiagate to the best of there abilities. Respect is the key I feel in all aspects of life be it here or there. Question though if someone is doing an ivestigation and do record say a spirit saying "Please Leave" or "Get Out" would it be disrespectful not to?

    I have never done an investiagation before so forgive me if the question sounds silly. I would probally be way to scared not to leave or I would be to excited to have heard it and would stay to find out more. So I guess I cannot answer that question until it actually happens.

    I think (could be wrong on this and I am sure will be told if I am) with mediums or psychics that the spirit contacts them or information is given through a spirit guide of some sort. Therefore I can only guess that the ghost etc wanted to be contacted. But again respect in any information given would i would think very very important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Respect is something you should show as a given, however like with meeting people if y ou decide they are ill-deserving of it then its up to you after initial contact.

    With regards to comments like "please leave" and "get out" you first have to consider arethese comments directed at you? or maybe are they what some consider "echos" and irrilevant to the current situation.

    In the end its up to the individual to handle it how they see fit.

    I know people visiting Charleville, in particular the basement, have been made to "feel" unwelcome, tbh the energy there is a nasty negative one so I personally choose not to be bullied out of the space.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Cactus Col


    6th wrote:
    I know people visiting Charleville, in particular the basement, have been made to "feel" unwelcome, tbh the energy there is a nasty negative one so I personally choose not to be bullied out of the space.

    Do you not think though, that you're the intruder? The reason people get such a nasty negative feel to the place is because there's a spirit there who is constantly been annoyed by people. The only way it can communicate that it doesn't want people around is by providing this negative feeling, which might have been a lot less nasty to start with, but as more and more people keep going down there, it becomes stronger and stronger.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Cactus Col wrote:
    Do you not think though, that you're the intruder? The reason people get such a nasty negative feel to the place is because there's a spirit there who is constantly been annoyed by people. The only way it can communicate that it doesn't want people around is by providing this negative feeling, which might have been a lot less nasty to start with, but as more and more people keep going down there, it becomes stronger and stronger.
    Or this spirit could be getting off on scaring and bullying people. As one of those who has 'met' the guy 6th refers to, I think that might be the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    A valid point but like i said you have to judge it case by case. As someone who is sensitive to spirits and has had alot of experiences there are times when i step back. I dont think spirits are only noticed when they want to get a message across, so some do want to be left alone.

    With regards to the spirit in the Charleville basement, from 5 trips there and what is known of the character simple fact is "he's a *sshole" - yep there are as many different types of people on this side as the next.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    KatieK wrote:
    Or this spirit could be getting off on scaring and bullying people. As one of those who has 'met' the guy 6th refers to, I think that might me the case.

    This guy is a classic bully who targets who he believes to be the easiest to affect.


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