Karate Vs Kung Fu Sparring

Millionaire

Not sure if this was posted before....

here is a good clip of karate vs Kung fu have a few good spars!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4544307741895789897&q=wing+chun

kenpo_dave

Millionaire wrote:

Not sure if this was posted before....

here is a good clip of karate vs Kung fu have a few good spars!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4544307741895789897&q=wing+chun

Ye Ive seen those before. Notice how little the Kyokushin guys are actually committing to the fight .

OSU,

Dave.

Millionaire

yeah.. their great the Kyoushin lads. like get in and do the job!

Thats what real karate is, and how it should be done. (reminds me of my early years in MA).

Maybe you or Shane know more about this. I saw a documentary about some Japanese kyokushin famous called Sato! ( I think) and it showed his training...it was animal!

Actually here is some Triva for you.... back in 80s there was a Kyokushin open knock down tourney in dublin. (broken legs and all were on offer!!!).

Michael O Leary

Millionaire wrote:

Not sure if this was posted before....

here is a good clip of karate vs Kung fu have a few good spars!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4544307741895789897&q=wing+chun

Hi Gerry,

Despite the nametag neither of the Kung-Fu fighters did any Wing Chun. Not even bad Wing Chun.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Regards,

newby.204

That looked like Drunken Monkey Kung-Fu to me

Millionaire

Michael O Leary wrote:

Hi Gerry,

Despite the nametag neither of the Kung-Fu fighters did any Wing Chun. Not even bad Wing Chun.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Regards,

Hi Michael:

I meant to post that. When I saw it, I knew it was not WT.

Yeah I think its drunk moneky kung fu.

I was trawling goolge video yesterday and was looking at some good WT clips.

kenpo_dave

Heres Wing Chun vs Kyokushin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH13kYFzfFk&search=wing%20chun%20vs

Now, Ive got nothing against Wing Chun, but :rolleyes: is all I can say.

OSU,

Dave.

Roper

To be fair to Wing Tsun (Chun, Chung?), Kenpo, TKD and any art that appears in these X versus Y clips, the standard varies from place to place so much that I would have difficulty viewing any "hinternet" clips as anything but just plain good fun.

Its totally unfair to have them representing an art. Methods are what counts. Kyokushin=good training method, THOSE Wing Chun guys=Bad training method.

The real difficulty is that finding gyms that train Kyokushin, Muay Thai, Boxing etc. wih good methods is a fairly consistent exercise. Finding a gym that does likewise for Kenpo, WT, TKD etc. is hit and miss.

Millionaire

I just like watching them clips cause it fun too. thats why I posted them...just as I enjoy watching the different methods of fighting.

I went to another Thai camp for a look today 3km outside my village. about 5 fighters there... all top notch. all older guys too with I guess 100 - 300 fights each. watching these guys work full on clinch and the after work the pads... amazing! I am going to go on weeked and do some training with them.

To be good at strikes that got to be the way to train.

Michael O Leary

kenpo_dave wrote:

Heres Wing Chun vs Kyokushin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH13kYFzfFk&search=wing%20chun%20vs

Now, Ive got nothing against Wing Chun, but :rolleyes: is all I can say.

OSU,

Dave.

Hi Dave,

As I said in my post in the thread, "Options, options", this is a case of very bad Wing Chun if he did any Wing Chun at all. He did Wing Chun forms (badly) and when sparring did no Wing Chun at all. It is also worth noting that no-one seems to know who the Wing Chun guys are while the Karate guy seems to be a world champion. Therefore it is difficult to make comparisions.

Hi Roper,

I have met and trained with some very good WT practitioners and some who were not so good. Are boxing, Muay Thai, clubs more consistant? I don't know. I have only done 5/6 MT lessons so for me it is way too early to compare.

As a sidenote I received my college results last week and passed everything except tax which I have to repeat before I get my degree and if I fail it then I cannot try again and the 4 years are wasted so until August 10th, Muay Thai is out. I think Bridgestone can survive without me until then.:)

Regards all,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

kenpo_dave

Michael O Leary wrote:

Hi Dave,

As I said in my post in the thread, "Options, options", this is a case of very bad Wing Chun if he did any Wing Chun at all. He did Wing Chun forms (badly) and when sparring did no Wing Chun at all. It is also worth noting that no-one seems to know who the Wing Chun guys are while the Karate guy seems to be a world champion. Therefore it is difficult to make comparisions.

Hi Roper,

I have met and trained with some very good WT practitioners and some who were not so good. Are boxing, Muay Thai, clubs more consistant? I don't know. I have only done 5/6 MT lessons so for me it is way too early to compare.

As a sidenote I received my college results last week and passed everything except tax which I have to repeat before I get my degree and if I fail it then I cannot try again and the 4 years are wasted so until August 10th, Muay Thai is out. I think Bridgestone can survive without me until then.:)

Regards all,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Well, as I said Ive nothing against Wing Chun/Tsun, and I fully understand and accept that some clubs have decent training methods and others not, as is the case with every style. I was actually looking for another clip to post with this one, where a WC guy hands a right beating to a kickboxer with full on, or close to, WC speed. Its quite impressive, as far as I can remember. I couldnt find the clip though.

OSU,

Dave.

Millionaire

yeah Dave find the clip if you can.

I always had in interest in WC (because of bruce!!!), and as a kickboxer.. would like to see what way a WC man would work this sort of fight.

Tim_Murphy

Are boxing, Muay Thai, clubs more consistant?

Well it’s unlikely IMO to go into any established (i.e. not just beginners) boxing or Muay Thai gym where the average member didn’t have a good grasp of striking. On other the other hand you could go into plenty of TKD clubs where the average standard is quite poor.

I while back I went look for clips of WC in action, what I could find was demo after demo, except for the short clip of the guy attacking the old guy at the seminar and going straight to the ground. Neither seemed to know any ground. Any actual fight clips seem to be examples of guys like ‘bad WC’, I’m not sure why that is!

Here’s the clip against the Kickboxer(obvious newbie):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV4Jq6H9pEQ&mode=related&search=wing%20chun%20vs

Michael, is this good or bad WC?

Michael O Leary

Hi Tim,

The fight you were referring to was between Emin Bostepe and William Cheung and to clarify a point Bostepe did not attack "an old man". William Cheung was about 44 at the time which could be considered the prime of his health roughly the same age as Bostepe is now and who would not be considered an old man.

I imagine the video clip you posted was of a fighter who is trained in Leung Ting Wing Tsun and as this name is trademarked goes instead under Ving Tzun. I don't know how good a fighter he is as he would have to be up against a good opponent for us to judge. As someone who has done kickboxing how would you rate his opponent? I didn't think he was great.

However given the opponent I think the (lets call him a WT guy) WT guy displayed sound tactics and strategies. He did not get phased by some of the kickboxers feints, did not try and defend and just concentrated on attacking his opponent with kicks, punches, elbows as soon as the opponent came close to him.

Regarding Kyushinkai (sp?) do these guys punch each other in the face when sparring.

Regards Tim,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

Tim_Murphy

The fight you were referring to was between Emin Bostepe and William Cheung and to clarify a point Bostepe did not attack "an old man". William Cheung was about 44 at the time which could be considered the prime of his health roughly the same age as Bostepe is now and who would not be considered an old man.

My mistake. It was a pretty poor attempt at a fight all the same. Neither looked like they knew what they were doing.

As someone who has done kickboxing how would you rate his opponent? I didn't think he was great

He was a beginner by the look of it.

WT guy displayed sound tactics and strategies.

Well he kept his hands low all the time instead of protecting his head which is a long way from a sound tactic as far as I'm concerned.

Regarding Kyushinkai (sp?) do these guys punch each other in the face when sparring.

No.

Michael O Leary

Hi Tim,

Hand height
Regarding keeping your hands down in WT, we only do this when our opponent is out of striking distance. We keep the hand half-way between our neck and waist to protect the upper and lower halves equally. When our opponent comes into our range instead of defending we instead attack and our hands raise up to our opponents head height.

WT differences
One of the main differences in WT and WC that we have seen in these clips is that when the Kyushinkai guy attacked the "very bad" Wing Chun guy, the WC guy retreated and so kept himself in the range of his opponents kicks and punches. The WT guy by contrast adhered to the principles of WT/WC instead of just techniques and kept pressure going forward in the form of attacks.

Head shots
As I said, Wing Tsun/Chun is based on principles the most basic one being attack your opponents head. I imagine that when the Wing Chun guy was fighting the Kyushinkai guy he was not allowed to punch his opponent in the head. The Kyushinkai guy was able to take the punches in the chest and deliver at will powerful kicks to the head. I also note that the Kyushinkai guy did no blocks and yet it is a part of their system but even Kyushinkai masters like Steve Arnill question the use of blocks in reality. So the Kyushinkai guy is not lumbered with having to block which could be described as the weakest part of their system while the Wing Chun guy is not allowed to do basic Wing Chun and punch to the head. !!! You cannot make a comparison until all things are equal.

As a final word on the matter (and if you believe that you will belive anything ) I don't see any dishonour in Wing Chun losing to Kyushinkai as it is a good style worthy of respect.

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

SorGan

Michael O Leary wrote:

Hi Dave,

As I said in my post in the thread, "Options, options", this is a case of very bad Wing Chun if he did any Wing Chun at all. He did Wing Chun forms (badly) and when sparring did no Wing Chun at all. It is also worth noting that no-one seems to know who the Wing Chun guys are while the Karate guy seems to be a world champion. Therefore it is difficult to make comparisions.

Hi Roper,

I agree, very hard to see any w.chun at all let alone bad.:cool:

Millionaire

I thought the WT guy in this clip used his front kick (stomp sort of kick???) well on the kickboxer. almost like a thai boxers push kick. he frustrated most efforts of the KB man with this kick.

the kickboxer looked like the sort of guy who can do flashy kicks, but cannot fight. maybe a years or so experience??? seemed like he was afraid to move in, and try an attack.

ShaneT

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Regarding Kyushinkai (sp?) do these guys punch each other in the face when sparring.

No.

Common misconception. :rolleyes:

The answer to the question is YES.

Does Kyokushin competition allow punching to the face? NO.
Reason: Bare knuckle. However, kicking to the head full contact is allowed and around 70% of fights end with a knockout.

Does Kyokushin SPARRING allow shots to the face? YES.
Reason: It's SPARRING. Bung on a pair of gloves and prepare "K-1 Style".

Does Kyokushin sparring ALWAYS allow shots to the face? NO.
Reason: If they are preparing for Kyokushin competition it's not allowed. No different to an MMA guy preparing for a grappling comp - strikes aren't allowed. But, grappling is still a PART of the game. You wouldn't practise ground strikes when preparing for a grappling comp now would you?

Do Kyokushin practitioners have poor head defence? Sometimes - Yes.
Reason: They focus solely on Kyokushin competition and fall into the trap. HOWEVER, many many K-1 fighters are Kyokushin and the K-1 was setup by Kyokushin practitioners (Kenji Kurosaki 10. Dan and his student). So, those who are preparing for K-1 style competition don't have that problem.

Do Kyokushin practitioners that add ground game to their kyokushin striking have a chance in MMA?
Ask George St. Pierre.... Doesn't seem to have a problem protecting his head either...








-ShaneT.

Roper

I though St.Pierre did TKD? Or am I confusing him with Louiseau?

ShaneT

Roper wrote:

I though St.Pierre did TKD? Or am I confusing him with Louiseau?

Definite confusion there mate. He still wears the Kyokushin headband when heading to the ring. He says to this day that he has added BJJ to his striking game (following the death of his Kyokushin instructor). He doesn't like it when his style is misquoted as "BJJ" and still sees himself as "a karate practitioner at heart". His striking is pure Kyokushin.

http://www.mmaringreport.com/interview/interview_stpierre.htm


-ShaneT.

Tim_Murphy

You cannot make a comparison until all things are equal.

True Michael. So, where are all the clips of WC guys doing MMA style fights? These are very unrestrictive so they should suit the WC guys down to the ground?

Common misconception.

The answer to the question is YES.

I was talking about competition!

GSP rocks, great fighter to watch. Naming the ‘style’ is really only about emotional attachment, not that there is anything wrong with it, but it’s only so relevant.

ShaneT

Tim_Murphy wrote:

I was talking about competition!

Fair enough Tim. Unfortunately, the question referred to sparring. Not competition.

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Naming the ‘style’ is really only about emotional attachment, not that there is anything wrong with it, but it’s only so relevant.

Not sure I agree there Tim. That GSP's striking style is Kyokushin, is as relevant as stating that a persons ground style is wrestling or BJJ. His striking is highly "stylised" and is clearly Kyokushin. In addition, it's GSP himself that gets upset when referred to as a wrestler or BJJ guy. He considers himself a Karate stylist at heart. It's evident (clearly) when he fights.

So, the style is visible and evident in his fights and matters to him as a fighter. It influences his performance as a fighter and his training methods. I'm not sure that this represents merely an "emotional attachment". Although, I'd agree that you're right if you're suggesting that this is a part of it (particularly since GSP's Kyokushin instructor died).

However, where a persons standup comes from Muay Thai or Kyokushin, and a persons Ground Game comes from Wrestling or BJJ - it will make a difference to the way that person fights, the way they perform and the way they train. Of course, it's not always about which style is best - it's about which style of fighting and training fits THE FIGHTER HIMSELF.

Tim_Murphy

His striking is highly "stylised" and is clearly Kyokushin.

Maybe to you, as you already know that he does Kyokushin. I look at it, and it could just as easily be somebody with a TKD background who went and did more functional striking whilst maintaining some of the TKD stuff. There is no to tell the difference without actually knowing already IMO.

In addition, it's GSP himself that gets upset when referred to as a wrestler or BJJ guy

Well he clearly trains wrestling and BJJ as well as his striking.

ShaneT

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Maybe to you, as you already know that he does Kyokushin. I look at it, and it could just as easily be somebody with a TKD background who went and did more functional striking whilst maintaining some of the TKD stuff. There is no to tell the difference without actually knowing already IMO. .

Of course, just as ground fighting looks like "pointless wrestling" to a person that knows little about ground work. But, to me - and any Kyokushin practitioner - GSP's striking is as visibly and functionaly different from Muay Thai, for example, as wrestling is from BJJ.

I don't "see Kyokushin simply because I know it's there". Quite the opposite. I saw him and thought, "that's pure Kyokushin! Strange they are calling him a wrestler", then I looked him up and discovered that he is, in fact, first and foremost a Kyokushin guy (in his training methods and striking style).

I take your point though, that this may not be easy to spot.

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Well he clearly trains wrestling and BJJ as well as his striking.

He most certainly does Sir. Ground is DEFINITELY the weakness of all standup styles - including Kyokushin.

Millionaire

Anyone got any video links for GSP handy??

Tim_Murphy

Of course, just as ground fighting looks like "pointless wrestling" to a person that knows little about ground work. But, to me - and any Kyokushin practitioner - GSP's striking is as visibly and functionaly different from Muay Thai, for example, as wrestling is from BJJ.

I know it's different from MT, that's clear to see. But somebody who mixed in some MT with their TKD could end up looking very very similar.

He most certainly does Sir. Ground is DEFINITELY the weakness of all standup styles - including Kyokushin

I don't think it a weakness of them at all, they just don't cover it.

Anyone got any video links for GSP handy??

I'm sure there's loads on youtube if you looking. He's a very exciting fighter to watch.

ShaneT

Tim_Murphy wrote:

I don't think it a weakness of them at all, they just don't cover it.

Eh? Failing to cover it is a weakness in itself - no?

Michael O Leary

Hi ShaneT,

Thanks for the info regarding head shots in Kyokushin. Just to clarify my question I was curious on whether in the competition between the Wing Chun and the Kyokushin guy whether head shots were allowed because if they weren't allowed it would put the Wing Chun guy at a massive disadvantage. It would be like saying to a BJJ guy, "no chokes/locks".

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

ShaneT

Michael O Leary wrote:

It would be like saying to a BJJ guy, "no chokes/locks".

Totally agree. I feel the same way about MMA competitions that don't allow kickboxers to go for head shots or grab the other guys T-Shirt, where the "other guy" can grab the Gi and choke away.

Just the nature of competition I guess. But, bare in mind - the Kyokushin guy didn't punch the opponent - not one time.

That said, I hate these "X vs Y" threads. Unless you have an indicator of the level of the fighters themselves, they're meaningless.

The only time it was done "properly" was when K-1 did a "K-1 vs. Kyokushin" event back in 2004. The Kyokushin fighters won all 7 fights convincingly against high class K-1 opponents. Then, it was a case of "all fighters are high class - now it's about style".

Kyokushin people rarely have a problem stepping up to K-1 rules and the headshot thing is rarely a problem (although, Andy Hug had a real problem with it). But, rarely can a K-1, Muay Thai stylist etc. standup to Kyokushin rules.

Although, recently, the female winner of the European Kyokushin Knockdown Championships in Holland was a Muay Thai practitioner.

Millionaire

actually found someting on that youtube thing the other day... in 1964 thailand MT challenged Jap karate apparently the challenge was open for a few years before this... the only karate style to step up was Kyokushin!!

there is some footage... but my net was going slow... so could not see it properly! would be great to see that!!!

pma-ire

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Maybe to you, as you already know that he does Kyokushin. I look at it, and it could just as easily be somebody with a TKD background who went and did more functional striking whilst maintaining some of the TKD stuff. There is no to tell the difference without actually knowing already IMO.

Well Mas Oyama was Korean!

There was even talks with the very early ITF about a merger!! But then it fell through!!

Roper

pma-ire wrote:

There was even talks with the very early ITF about a merger!! But then it fell through!!

Brilliant! They've been doing the "merger" talks forever then!!! They should make a Hyung called "Merger-do"!:D

Anyway, Shane,
Yes, its GSP who does Kyukoshin and Louiseau who was an ex-tkd Black belt. I done conflustered meself. Damn Canadians!
I think GSP is a great all rounder though, I wouldn't put him down as a "stylist" in anyway, no matter where he comes from in terms of his training. Its great watching guys like him who have it in every range. If he wants to say hes a Kyukoshin fghter, then more power to him, but to me he's a prime example of an MMA 3-range fighter. Basically, to me, a punch is a punch, there's very few ways of throwing a good one and GSP does one of those ways. Same with his kicks, clinch etc. Names of techniques or systems or what have you mean little to me, unless you want to tip your hat to someone, like GSP does to Kyukoshin.

ComDubh

Having trained at Wing Tsun for a few years, I enjoyed that clip. The WT (or WC, or whatever) gave a good demo of how the system might work against a kick-boxer. It's the first time I've seen WT not looking pathetic when facing another style. The guy was calm, unfazed by feints, kept the centreline, and protected his head by chain punching.

As usual, this clip is anything but conclusive and, as someone said already, it would be great to see some top Wing Chun/Tsun/Tzun folk would put their skills to test in an MMA environment.

loz

ComDubh wrote:

Having trained at Wing Tsun for a few years, I enjoyed that clip. The WT (or WC, or whatever) gave a good demo of how the system might work against a kick-boxer. It's the first time I've seen WT not looking pathetic when facing another style. The guy was calm, unfazed by feints, kept the centreline, and protected his head by chain punching.

tbh my daughter would have looked more convincing in gloves than that so called kickboxer...

not to take anything away from WT - ive seen - and felt ( behind a sheild ) the odd phenonemon of chainpunches. - and somehow defying physics they do have some power.

Michael O Leary

ComDubh wrote:

Having trained at Wing Tsun for a few years, I enjoyed that clip.

Hi ComDubh,

Where did you train?

Regards,

Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

Brilliant! They've been doing the "merger" talks forever then!!! They should make a Hyung called "Merger-do"!:D

Somehow an ego always gets in the way!!???

FiannaGym.com

Just to clarify, GSP doesn't do "pure" Kyokushin. No good MMA fighter does any "pure" stand-up art when they fight, because if they did they would get taken down. In general any decent MMA fighter will change MT, or Boxing, Kyokushin, or what ever else they are doing in order to avoid being taken down. MT generally needs the least modification, then boxing etc etc.

Peace

SorGan

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Just to clarify, GSP doesn't do "pure" Kyokushin. No good MMA fighter does any "pure" stand-up art when they fight, because if they did they would get taken down. In general any decent MMA fighter will change MT, or Boxing, Kyokushin, or what ever else they are doing in order to avoid being taken down. MT generally needs the least modification, then boxing etc etc.
Peace

Why?
with its high kicks i would of thought mt would be more vunerable to a take down than a boxer, ergo more changes to a mt fighters mma, over a boxers mma style.

FiannaGym.com

SorGan wrote:

Why?
with its high kicks i would of thought mt would be more vunerable to a take down than a boxer, ergo more changes to a mt fighters mma, over a boxers mma style.

Its not a question of kicking. MT fighters don't have to kick, just like MMA fighters dont have to take you down.

It is a question of range and stance. The MT stance faces forward more (in general people we all know!) particularly the angle of the leading foot. MT relies less on moving the torso for strikes, rather the stance moves in and out, which makes it harder to time and score take downs. Its not a question of technique choice like kicking, punching or what ever but a question of fundamentals.

Peace

Roper

MT doesn't = high kicks for one. Secondly, its about stance really. Boxers tend to fight with their lead further forward than MT guys.

Roper

Hey Pearce thats the second post you've just beaten me to! Cut it out man!

SorGan

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Its not a question of kicking. MT fighters don't have to kick, just like MMA fighters dont have to take you down.

It is a question of range and stance. The MT stance faces forward more (in general people we all know!) particularly the angle of the leading foot. MT relies less on moving the torso for strikes, rather the stance moves in and out, which makes it harder to time and score take downs. Its not a question of technique choice like kicking, punching or what ever but a question of fundamentals.

Peace

I get it, makes sence lads

Millionaire

over here in thailand, MT kick much much more than punch.

I am not sure why this is??? maybe something to do with how the fights are scored?

In training there is a massive amount of time spent on Kicks followed by clinch.

Roper

Camp I went to visit in Koh Samui was the opposite Gerry! Lots of boxing (one of the coaches was English I think) lots of clinch and knees too but they seemed to box a lot.

Millionaire

Yes, different camps in different parts of thailand, you get very different muay thai.

What was the name of the camp?

I was in Samui in Easter, and was so glad to see pubs and Irish and English people to talk to, the training was forgotten about!!! LOL!! its very rural here and few franags.

Down south thailand, the Muay Thai stance there resembles kung fu... my teacher here was showing me the differences..

ComDubh

Michael O Leary wrote:

Where did you train?
Regards, Michael O'Leary
www.wingtsun-escrima.ie

With you guys! From 1998 to about 2002. I've dabbled a little in MMA stuff since. Wing Tsun has a lot going for it and it's frustrating to see it unfairly dismissed here.

At this stage my only martial arts practice is grappling with my daughter during nappy changes .

Andrew_M

Im guessing that camp In Samui is WMC Lamai Gym

Alex Daly is the "English Guy" (Actually think he's Scottish)

From training there i didnt think they put more emphasis on anything, i did just as much boxing as kicking, and was clinching every session. There is some great coaches in that camp. I was there twice, and the first time i thought was far better, good group of guys training and everyone was up running in the morning together, second time there was very few training and was up to yourself what you wanted to do

Roper

Hey Andrew, Gerry,

Sorry I didn't get back on this. Yes he might have been scottish now that I think of it. Perhaps I just went down there on a day they were focussing on the boxing. Anyway I didn't get to train, apprently that sort of thing is frowned upon on your honeymoon, who would have thunk eh?

Was it near Chaweng Stadium Andrew?

Andrew_M

Well it's near, in so far as its 10mins by bike to Chaweng from Lamai, but it isnt that near:rolleyes: . It's on the far end of Lamai beach. There has been some really top guys training there such as Alexi Ignashouv(spelling is probably wrong but you know who i mean), Sorren Monkongtom, not to mention the Thai's, it's a far cry from Bangkok camps but still a cool place to train and chill out, been alot of bjj players there aswell, last time i spotted some Brazilian Top Team stickers around and met 2 canadian guys, purple belts, they wanted to go for a roll in the ring, but i pursuaded them otherwise, as you'd probably catch the MAINGE:eek:

Millionaire

Is that a wee camp going on a steep hill at end end of Lanai?

I passed it a few times on the bike.

Yeah I think there is a boxing camp in the Stadium too, as I was staying on Chaeweng over looking the street not far and I could see the lads running around the stadium in the afternoons.

Where I live, I found a great wee camp out the road from here, only about 5 or 6 fighter but all big lads for Thai people, one was an 80 kilo , my size. They invited me to train, but Ill have to figure out how to sneak out for a clinch or 3, without my camp knowing... I think their a bit touchy about training elsewhere out here???