What are ghosts limits

kshiel

Now I am starting this thread as i explained a ghost story so to speak in another thread and it got me woundering.

Ok the story is in a nut shell. I was in a forest and heard battle noises and saw soiliders hid within the woods. One turned and winked and shh me. then i heard charge and a group of soiliders were running with swords drawn.

Now was this a different dimenision or was this an imprint or was this a ghost story.

So was this winking solidier showing me the story of the battle or did i just wonder upon it.? or as 6th said was this man on the same wave length as me while i was watching this imprint

Do ghosts have the power or energy to show you things and tell you about events like some say spirit guides do and what level does this go to. How much are they allowed to show us?

stormkeeper

I know there is also a phenomenon known as a timeslip, though I dunno if it was that or not...

6th

i think it would be hard to put the title of a phenomenon on it as they are theory at best.

Whats important is what it is to you, do you feel you shared a moment with the winker that was more important than the vision of the whole scene. Somehow it think the personal contection is whats important to you.

As for the subject of what ghosts are capable of, very interesting topic.

I'll start taht in my next post

6th

For me spirits are just like people in alot of ways. There are as many type of people (personality wise) as there are spirits.

So as to what there limits are, maybe we should first look at the range of limitations for people.

Spirit Guides may be "choosen" due to the own psychic level. Why sould all spirits be expected to be experts on all matter of life/after life. I cant imagine aul paddy from down teh road becoming some devine know all once he pops his clogs.

tj-music.com

I don´t want to sound disrespectful but can you be certain that it wasn´t a bunch of filmmakers making a film?

A soldier in battle would have more likely wanted you to stay down rather than asking you to be quiet, in my opinion.

6th

I just know this from the other thread but her family where present and didnt see what she saw.

kshiel

Whats important is what it is to you, do you feel you shared a moment with the winker that was more important than the vision of the whole scene. Somehow it think the personal contection is whats important to you.

your right it was this action than the actual sence that seemed i was drawn to more. Why dont know. It was more like a fun gesture than anything else.

A soldier in battle would have more likely wanted you to stay down rather than asking you to be quiet, in my opinion.

I agree with your opinion that is why i am woundering if this spirit was showing me the sence to make contact or did he create this sence to catch my attention.

So as to what there limits are, maybe we should first look at the range of limitations for people.

Spirit Guides may be "choosen" due to the own psychic level. Why sould all spirits be expected to be experts on all matter of life/after life. I cant imagine aul paddy from down teh road becoming some devine know all once he pops his clogs.

Ok people are limited in different ways but through learning and attaining knowledge we grow. We show people photographs to show where or what something was at a particular time. If we can do this here can spirits learn and obtain knowlege over there and show us pictures in a different form as like an imprint. Would an imprint not be a form of photogragh of someones event in their life. I agree that paddy down the street would not be all knowlegeable but is it possible he could learn how to show us different things that are relavant only to him.?

A little out there I know.

walt0r

you're just a lunatic, that's all, don't worry about it

Thanx 4 The Fish

walt0r wrote:

you're just a lunatic, that's all, don't worry about it

Banned, don't come back.

JimmySmith

6th wrote:

I just know this from the other thread but her family where present and didnt see what she saw.

Seriously - If you are seeing things that others are not when they are with you, you should at least have a chat with a Doctor. This is quite common in some illnesses and can be controlled is diagnosed and treated. It will only be bad for you if you let it go on. It may be ghosts but more likely is a sign that there is something wrong so get checked out anyway.

I used to sit next to a guy who saw ghosts all day and started talking to them and asking us did we see it. He swore blind they were ghosts but there was nothing there. He said that he had an ability and had been chosen and we hadnt to communicate with and all that stuff. He committed suidice some years later.

6th

JimmySmith wrote:

Seriously - If you are seeing things that others are not when they are with you, you should at least have a chat with a Doctor. This is quite common in some illnesses and can be controlled is diagnosed and treated. It will only be bad for you if you let it go on. It may be ghosts but more likely is a sign that there is something wrong so get checked out anyway.

I used to sit next to a guy who saw ghosts all day and started talking to them and asking us did we see it. He swore blind they were ghosts but there was nothing there. He said that he had an ability and had been chosen and we hadnt to communicate with and all that stuff. He committed suidice some years later.

Thats unfortunate .. but of the millions of claims of ghost sightings I wonder how many are mentally ill or go as far as to commit suicide?

This forum has had people posting sitings for years now and i've met a fair few from here .... none seem to be mentally ill.

JimmySmith

6th wrote:

Thats unfortunate .. but of the millions of claims of ghost sightings I wonder how many are mentally ill or go as far as to commit suicide?

most level headed people would argue that anyone who claims to have seen a ghost is mentally ill. But thats not for me to say if the OP is. I just think that they should talk to a doctor to eliminate the posibility. If they are ill they will get looked after. If not, no harm done.

kshiel

Seriously - If you are seeing things that others are not when they are with you, you should at least have a chat with a Doctor. This is quite common in some illnesses and can be controlled is diagnosed and treated. It will only be bad for you if you let it go on. It may be ghosts but more likely is a sign that there is something wrong so get checked out anyway.

I used to sit next to a guy who saw ghosts all day and started talking to them and asking us did we see it. He swore blind they were ghosts but there was nothing there. He said that he had an ability and had been chosen and we hadnt to communicate with and all that stuff. He committed suidice some years later.

I can safely say i am not mad. I did not say I could see ghosts all the time I did not say I was talking to them and I certianly do not think I some sort of choosen one. Sorry to here about your friend though.

I am possing the question which this fourm was set up for paranormal experience etc etc etc.

I gave my experience and now i am trying to break it down a little and see what other theroys are out there. May be it was something i ate. If i was mad would i care what anyone else thought of this. My thread was what are there limits and if i knew i would not be asking.

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6th

very difficult to read your posts kshiels without the quotes.

try putting [ quote] at the beginning of the quote and [/ quote] - just take out the spaces before the word quote.

Also Jimmy have a read of the charter, I know you mean well but suggesting taht someone might be mentally ill for seeing ghosts is kinda against the flow of t hings here.

JimmySmith

kshiel wrote:

Seriously - If you are seeing things that others are not when they are with you, you should at least have a chat with a Doctor. This is quite common in some illnesses and can be controlled is diagnosed and treated. It will only be bad for you if you let it go on. It may be ghosts but more likely is a sign that there is something wrong so get checked out anyway.

I used to sit next to a guy who saw ghosts all day and started talking to them and asking us did we see it. He swore blind they were ghosts but there was nothing there. He said that he had an ability and had been chosen and we hadnt to communicate with and all that stuff. He committed suidice some years later.

I can safely say i am not mad. I did not say I could see ghosts all the time I did not say I was talking to them and I certianly do not think I some sort of choosen one. Sorry to here about your friend though.

I am possing the question which this fourm was set up for paranormal experience etc etc etc.

I gave my experience and now i am trying to break it down a little and see what other theroys are out there. May be it was something i ate. If i was mad would i care what anyone else thought of this. My thread was what are there limits and if i knew i would not be asking.

Fair enough, I am only trying to help you. Just one final thought though. I didnt say you were mad. But do mentally-ill (that term is a little too strong, but i cant think of any other to make my point) people really think they are ill. Some do, others dont. Its the nature of the illness. Also you dont have to want to kill yourself or even know that there is a problem, for there to be a problem.

6th

I understand that jim and its nice to have a fresh view - thats why it would be great if you could read the charter and stick around.

kshiel

JimmySmith wrote:

Fair enough, I am only trying to help you. Just one final thought though. I didnt say you were mad. But do mentally-ill (that term is a little too strong, but i cant think of any other to make my point) people really think they are ill. Some do, others dont. Its the nature of the illness. Also you dont have to want to kill yourself or even know that there is a problem, for there to be a problem.

I get your point jimmysmith and it is a valid one. And I take no offence by what you were saying but it is still my belief (and a lot of other peoples) ghost do exist. Its good to have a spetic point of view and I feel it can keep those of us who do believe a little more grounded.

kshiel

Ok I guess i should have started this thread with that I wanted people who believe in ghosts to reply not that i dont except the non belivers (for want of a better word) point of view so no disrespect intented. And using my own experience was probally not the best way to put my point accross. What I was actually woundering was

Can spirits manipulate their enviorment?

Can spirits grow and learn on the other side?

Are they allowed to show us what they want or are they governed by some sort of law.

6th

kshiel wrote:

Can spirits manipulate their enviorment?

Yes (I think), do you mean can they affect "our" enviroment (I'm working on the basis that they share our space but on a different "frequency").

I believe that they can manipulate and move object, touch people, make audible noise.

kshiel wrote:

Can spirits grow and learn on the other side?

Not sure on this one and have never thought about it. I'm sure they whole "dying" type would be a steep learning curve and a certain amount of "enlightenment" comes with leaving the physical body and entering a world so different to our own.

kshiel wrote:

Are they allowed to show us what they want or are they governed by some sort of law.

Quick answer: Don't know.

As a few people have said on other threads, maybe what we could want to know is beyond our comprehension?

I dont think spirits have the ability (in general) to show flashes of scenes etc but some would say that by showing themselves they are answering the big questions but in doing that creating a million more questions in its place.

my_house

this is quite a deep thread. unfiortunately though I have no idea what the answers could be

6th

We dont have answers, but i'm sure we all have opinions. At this stage they are all as valid as each others so feel free to share

kshiel

my_house wrote:

this is quite a deep thread. unfiortunately though I have no idea what the answers could be

None of will probally know the real answers to any of these questions until we pass over but its nice to here other points of view on the subject and it can give us maybe a little better insight to what awaits.

I read in a book by (Mia Dolan, medium) that she believed that a spirit can appear (in psychical sense) in the form when they where at their peak so to speak i.e. if they died in their 80's say they could appear in their 20's if this was the aged they felt at their peak. Would this be a form of manipulation of their enviroment or would this be a personal choice they make.

6th

kshiel wrote:

if they died in their 80's say they could appear in their 20's if this was the aged they felt at their peak. Would this be a form of manipulation of their enviroment or would this be a personal choice they make.

I think this is down to the person witnessing the event. I now of a few cases where a spirit has been witnessed by a 2 (and in one case 3) people at it looked different to some. In one case where both people where familiar with the spirit when they were in this life they saw the him as a young man and as an older man. It was a mother and daughter - the daughter saw him as an older man and the mother saw him as a young man.

I think that it may be a case of how we pick up the "frequency", not fully sure what i mean but (here comes another food analogy ) even though a piece of chocolate has a set makeup it can (and does) taste different to different people. Its all about how our mind interperate the phenomenon.

kshiel

6th wrote:

I think this is down to the person witnessing the event. I now of a few cases where a spirit has been witnessed by a 2 (and in one case 3) people at it looked different to some. In one case where both people where familiar with the spirit when they were in this life they saw the him as a young man and as an older man. It was a mother and daughter - the daughter saw him as an older man and the mother saw him as a young man.

I think that it may be a case of how we pick up the "frequency", not fully sure what i mean but (here comes another food analogy ) even though a piece of chocolate has a set makeup it can (and does) taste different to different people. Its all about how our mind interperate the phenomenon.

I have to say i am inclined to agree with you on this. Would it be fair to say then that we see what we are comfortable or familiar with in certain situations like seeing a spirit that we know.

CodeMonkey

6th wrote:

We dont have answers, but i'm sure we all have opinions. At this stage they are all as valid as each others so feel free to share

Hmmm...in that case.

Can spirits manipulate their enviorment?

Yes, but only if they've trained in physical environment manipulation.

Can spirits grow and learn on the other side?

Yes but how fast they learn and how much depends on how smart they are.

Are they allowed to show us what they want or are they governed by some sort of law.

They always need permits from the local governing body before interacting with humans. Breaking the rules results in a fine, payments will be in spiritual energy which is what they use to purchase goods and services.

6th

CodeMonkey wrote:

Hmmm...in that case.

Yes, but only if they've trained in physical environment manipulation.

Yes but how fast they learn and how much depends on how smart they are.

They always need permits from the local governing body before interacting with humans. Breaking the rules results in a fine, payments will be in spiritual energy which is what they use to purchase goods and services.

Theres a differnce between putting forward genuine ideas and taking the p*ss.

stormkeeper

I did think that was a p*sstake after I read it, heh.

kshiel

CodeMonkey wrote:

Hmmm...in that case.

Yes, but only if they've trained in physical environment manipulation.

Yes but how fast they learn and how much depends on how smart they are.

They always need permits from the local governing body before interacting with humans. Breaking the rules results in a fine, payments will be in spiritual energy which is what they use to purchase goods and services.

Agree with 6th it is taking the p*ss but i have to addmit it made me laugh.

Nevyn

Sounds like some one has been reading World of Darkness' Wraith : the oblivion.

kshiel

Thaedydal wrote:

Sounds like some one has been reading World of Darkness' Wraith : the oblivion.

I have heard a few mentions of this book on a couple of different treads. ~Whats it about, worth a read?

stormkeeper

World of Darkness is an RPG setting/universe by White Wolf. It encompasses Vampire: The Masquerade, Werewolf, Mage (I think) and a few others.