Toyota - I'm not selling it

sgthighway

I put his here on purpose and not in the Car for Sale section.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=432825

jayok

Must be blind I cannot see anything special.

maidhc

I think the OP means he isnt't selling the car, but for some reason wants us to see the Galanza.

Not sure why though.

deRanged

jayok wrote:

am I missing something?

You are - have a closer look at the ad.

jayok

Silly me, spent too much time on the specs of the car.

Wonder does the seller actually know! Probably a way to dodge the speed cameras!

sgthighway

It has to be done on purpose. It can't be a mistake. Nobody is that Stupid ???

bazz26

Or advertising it for someone else.

jayok

Actually thinking about it some more.

Gardai will normally check the reg plate from the front of the car (i.e. tax + insurance, etc). Good luck to him though if he's pulled by an unmarked car (which will park behind him). May be you could plead dyslexia?

deRanged

sgthighway wrote:

It has to be done on purpose. It can't be a mistake. Nobody is that Stupid ???

Neighbours of mine had a car like that for years. They only found out when they were scrapping it!

maidhc

Ahh yes.

Brings personalised plates to a new level!

jayok

sgthighway wrote:

It has to be done on purpose. It can't be a mistake. Nobody is that Stupid ???

Maybe, but then it amazes me the amount of people who cannot even put up 'L' plates the correct way they are 'L' plates not '7' plates!

maidhc

jayok wrote:

Maybe, but then it amazes me the amount of people who cannot even put up 'L' plates the correct way they are 'L' plates not '7' plates!

At least the people who put them back to front have some excuse. They looked right from inside the car.

Your dyslexia theory is pretty good, by the look of the turbo timer thingee the seller wasn't much into reading the speedo either.

Seanie M

How can a 1.3 produce 190bhp?

bazz26

Seanie M wrote:

How can a 1.3 produce 190bhp?

ECU remap, dump valve, turbo, etc...

Seanie M

bazz26 wrote:

ECU remap, dump valve, turbo, etc...

Right. Still a sh1tty looking car in my opinion. Shame too many boyracers make it appear sh1tty too...

ninty9er

what an idiot, that would goive the impression of a "nice" bit of damage in the past as one has been redone

Spit62500

bazz26 wrote:

ECU remap, dump valve, turbo, etc...

Otherwise known as grenade tuning:D (with an engine of that size and output....)

junkyard

According to Cartell.ie 98D37514 is the reg. number of a Ford Escort while 98D75314 is off a Starlet alright. I've nothing better to do so I though I'd check it.:D

bspoke

Seanie M wrote:

How can a 1.3 produce 190bhp?

Its a 1.3 turbo which as standard produces 140bhp. Im not sure about the Glanza but In know the Starlet Turbo can get in excess of 200bhp with the right tuning and im not just talking about whacking up the boost and blowing the engine withinh two weeks.

smarty

Seanie M wrote:

How can a 1.3 produce 190bhp?

My 698cc car produces 101bhp out of the factory. I know of people who have had similar cars remapped to over 125bhp. I think the turbo plays a big part.

colm_mcm

maidhc wrote:

Your dyslexia theory is pretty good, by the look of the turbo timer thingee the seller wasn't much into reading the speedo either.

It also has a digital speedo

smash

peice of sh1t glanza, they should all be scrapped! knacker boy racer cars, suped up to the sky and dangerous on the roads!

I think this should be reported, there's probably 20+ penalty points owed to him!

bspoke

Thats a very big paintbrush you have there Steve

smash

bspoke wrote:

Thats a very big paintbrush you have there Steve

Ye I do, because I think that these kind of cars with aftermarked turbos etc are dangerous, half the modifications are never even classified to the insurance companies, or the VRT office when the arrive in the country, then you have kids buying them and rallying them to bits, they're a menace on the roads because boy racers are pushing them to the limits.

I drive a fast car but I don't rally it around and I constantly get kids in glanzas or civics or micras trying to look for a race - they need to grow up and quit it, they're the reason insurance is so high. They should not be sold these cars!

And if you disagree that this is the case with boy racers, then why would this guy have done this to the plates?

Stephen

Starlet/Glanza turbos aren't aftermarket.

smash

Stephen wrote:

Starlet/Glanza turbos aren't aftermarket.

No, but they have a lot of aftermarket chipping etc, and I'm not only talking about glanzas when I say about aftermarket extras.

zilog_jones

junkyard wrote:

According to Cartell.ie 98D37514 is the reg. number of a Ford Escort while 98D75314 is off a Starlet alright.

That sounds right - the former number is too low for an import like that, as it would have been registered after the actual year.

Kermitt

That car looks like a rolling advert for Blitz accessories! Why spend so much on that stuff.. at the end of the day you still drive a Toyota Starlet - My granny drove a Toyota Starlet - Come to think of it so do other people's grannies.....

Kimbot

steve06 wrote:

Ye I do, because I think that these kind of cars with aftermarked turbos etc are dangerous, half the modifications are never even classified to the insurance companies, or the VRT office when the arrive in the country, then you have kids buying them and rallying them to bits, they're a menace on the roads because boy racers are pushing them to the limits.

I drive a fast car but I don't rally it around and I constantly get kids in glanzas or civics or micras trying to look for a race - they need to grow up and quit it, they're the reason insurance is so high. They should not be sold these cars!

And if you disagree that this is the case with boy racers, then why would this guy have done this to the plates?

Well Steve, the VRT office don't need to know about aftermarket bits for a car only your insurance company do.
"Boy Racers" push them to the limits but what if this was actually owned by a person who was not a "Boy Racer" but a car modifier and really respected their car??

The plates could still be a simple mistake then again it could be deliberate but either way thats one person (the seller) and you are tarring the name of all Glanza/Micra/Civic drivers with your rant!!

Henry Ford III

What about the Glanza's for sale described as "1.3 on the log book"?

The whole car modifying scene stinks imho.

The insurance co's will eventually get angry and effectively close it down, by levying high premiums.

Kermitt

I have no experience with it, but I'm sure real car modifiers are respectable individuals, and drive better cars than glanza. Its the 'Fast and Furious' baby's that saw too many max power magazines that stink.

Kimbot

Henry Ford III wrote:

What about the Glanza's for sale described as "1.3 on the log book"?

The whole car modifying scene stinks imho.

The insurance co's will eventually get angry and effectively close it down, by levying high premiums.

Thats because the engine is still a 1.3!! Either way your insurance company will ask if it has a turbo or not and that is up to you to tell them!! The people selling are only pointing out that it says 1.3 on the log book and what you decide to tell your insurance company after that is up to you!!

oleras

jonny24ie wrote:

what you decide to tell your insurance company after that is up to you!!

fraud ? A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain......

Kimbot

oleras wrote:

fraud ? A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain......

Exactly but what I am pointing out above is that no matter what anyone says the log book for a Glanza will always say "1.3" because that is the CC of the engine, as far as I know there is never a mention fo "Turbo" or "supercharged" on a log book as when you buy a car, lets take a Toyota Celica 1.8 for example.... If you have a 1.8VVT-I and a 1.8VVTL-I there is a big difference between them, the VVTL-I is a lot higher powered and its up to you to make it clear to the insurance company that its the VVTL-I model you have!! As both will still only say "1.8" on the log book!!

oleras

jonny24ie wrote:

Exactly but what I am pointing out above is that no matter what anyone says the log book for a Glanza will always say "1.3" because that is the CC of the engine, as far as I know there is never a mention fo "Turbo" or "supercharged" on a log book as when you buy a car, lets take a Toyota Celica 1.8 for example.... If you have a 1.8VVT-I and a 1.8VVTL-I there is a big difference between them, the VVTL-I is a lot higher powered and its up to you to make it clear to the insurance company that its the VVTL-I model you have!! As both will still only say "1.8" on the log book!!

I agree,(well, i take your word for it on the celica specs...lol) But any insurance policy, be it motor home or life will have a failure to disclose material data clause, which could make any policy void , and i know this is for another thread, but i dont consider it hijacking when the original thread is going nowhere fast...

Whats the point in insuring a car if there is a chance the company will not pay out ? Kinda defeats the purpose, dont ya think ?

smash

jonny24ie wrote:

Thats because the engine is still a 1.3!! Either way your insurance company will ask if it has a turbo or not and that is up to you to tell them!! The people selling are only pointing out that it says 1.3 on the log book and what you decide to tell your insurance company after that is up to you!!

No, it's because the Turbo has not been declared to the VRT office, and you do have to declare extras to the VRT office as this increases the value of the car you're importing!

Kimbot

steve06 wrote:

No, it's because the Turbo has not been declared to the VRT office, and you do have to declare extras to the VRT office as this increases the value of the car you're importing!

Yes but it is not mentioned on your log book!!

smash

jonny24ie wrote:

Exactly but what I am pointing out above is that no matter what anyone says the log book for a Glanza will always say "1.3" because that is the CC of the engine, as far as I know there is never a mention fo "Turbo" or "supercharged" on a log book as when you buy a car, lets take a Toyota Celica 1.8 for example.... If you have a 1.8VVT-I and a 1.8VVTL-I there is a big difference between them, the VVTL-I is a lot higher powered and its up to you to make it clear to the insurance company that its the VVTL-I model you have!! As both will still only say "1.8" on the log book!!

Jonny, I own a Celica vvti-190 (which is a VVTL-i engine) and the insurance company doesn't classify the car just as a 1.8, it classifies them as seperate model variants, same with the Glanza. The turbo is a different variant, if the log book doesn't say this, then it's a fraudulent import!

And the Celica VVTi has a 1794cc engine, the VVTL-i has a 1796cc engine.

Vegeta

oleras wrote:

I agree,(well, i take your word for it on the celica specs...lol) But any insurance policy, be it motor home or life will have a failure to disclose material data clause, which could make any policy void , and i know this is for another thread, but i dont consider it hijacking when the original thread is going nowhere fast...

Whats the point in insuring a car if there is a chance the company will not pay out ? Kinda defeats the purpose, dont ya think ?

Well i agree totally with you and share your fears but in fairness if you ring up the insurance company and they ask what kind of car you have and you say 1.3 starlet, the insurance company should ask specifically is it a starlet turbo.

If you say you have a 1.8 celica they should ask if it is the abc or the xyz model

cos if they ask and you just say unmodified 1.8 celica, you're not lying to them.

EDIT: yeah what steve said, they do class em differently and will ask the model

Vegeta

steve06 wrote:

Jonny, I own a Celica vvti-190 (which is a VVTL-i engine) and the insurance company doesn't classify the car just as a 1.8, it classifies them as seperate model variants, same with the Glanza. The turbo is a different variant, if the log book doesn't say this, then it's a fraudulent import!

And the Celica VVTi has a 1794cc engine, the VVTL-i has a 1796cc engine.

I thought you said you drove a fast car

only messin i drive a 1.3 clapped out corolla

smash

Vegeta wrote:

if you ring up the insurance company and they ask what kind of car you have and you say 1.3 starlet, the insurance company should ask specifically is it a starlet turbo.

They do ask, they even ask for a punto "does it say anything else on the car, i.e ELX etc" but if the importer has brought the car in and not declared the turbo, then the buyer presumes he doesn't have to because the log book doesn't say it - it should all be regulated more.

Henry Ford III

I think everyone is ignoring one of the most basic features of any contract of insurance.

Uberrima fides which is a Latin phrase meaning "utmost good faith" (or translated literally, "most abundant faith"). It is name of a legal doctrine which governs insurance contracts. This means that all parties to an insurance contract must deal in good faith, making a full declaration of all material facts in the insurance proposal. This contrasts with the legal doctrine of caveat emptor (let the buyer beware).

Thus the assured must reveal the exact nature and potential of the risks that he transfers to the insurer, while at the same time the insurer must make sure that the potential contract fits the needs of, and benefits, the assured.

So it's not up to the insurer to ask 100 questions - does your Glanza have a turbo, is it chipped, modded etc.

It's up to the proposer to declare, both at the time of proposal and at any time later, where the risk is materially altered (e.g. remap/roll cage fitting etc.....).

5500

Spit62500 wrote:

Otherwise known as grenade tuning:D (with an engine of that size and output....)

Wouldnt say thats totally true,i know of turbo starlets over 220bhp here running safely,thats a well impressive for a 1.3 engine but it'l cost big big bucks to do.

Glanza's/GT's seemed to take the hype away from civic's of yesteryear,at first they were cheap and quick enough for what they are.So obviously young lads are gonna go out and buy them.

There price rose something stupid and over the past 6 months insurance premiums have nearly doubled for anyone i know with one,some companies wont take them on as new business either anymore,hence the amount of them for sale on carzone at the minute.

As for the modification scene being shut down to higher premiums,its never gonna happen.If someone really wants a certain car then the insurance cost wont matter to them

mloc123

Well from my experience when I swapped my car they asked...

Make, model, year, engine size, 'has it any letters' and has it been modified. So that covers everything. If they asked about the glanza you would have to say its an s (I think s is the turbo one and not n/a, i could be mixed up).

Ignorance is not an excuse, if you say 'I don't think its modified' when you crash and it is modified they will not pay out.

mloc123

Robbed from cruiseirl:

i rang the guy in the ad & asked him about the car No Nct etc & the plates look diffierent


he gave me the worse excuse ever " those are the plates the VRT office made up for him"

what a plonker--car is in swords if anyone fancies a test drive

Vegeta

mloc123 wrote:

Well from my experience when I swapped my car they asked...

Make, model, year, engine size, 'has it any letters' and has it been modified. So that covers everything. If they asked about the glanza you would have to say its an s (I think s is the turbo one and not n/a, i could be mixed up).

Ignorance is not an excuse, if you say 'I don't think its modified' when you crash and it is modified they will not pay out.

They do ask you a sh1t load of questions and rightly so.

henry ford you say that you have to disclose everything to the insurer (and rightly so) but insurance companies also have the responsibility to know what they are insuring.

When i rang up and said i have a 1.3 corolla, they asked what model, how many doors, exact cc and so on. they also asked questions to cover their own ass, like did it have any modifications, i was told if it had any modifications my insurance was void.

Anyway if you are driving a car with modifications and haven't told the insurance company, your insurance is more than likely void anyway.

Henry Ford III

eireal wrote:

As for the modification scene being shut down to higher premiums,its never gonna happen.If someone really wants a certain car then the insurance cost wont matter to them

Granted, but I reckon there's a fairly large scale fraud going on, where modders don't declare, and pay relatively small money for dodgy cover.

If the Insurers wanted to they could i.d. the cars, and cancel the cover/ramp up the premiums, and black list the drivers.

It wouldn't be difficult.

Vegeta

Henry Ford III wrote:

Granted, but I reckon there's a fairly large scale fraud going on, where modders don't declare, and pay relatively small money for dodgy cover.

If the Insurers wanted to they could i.d. the cars, and cancel the cover/ramp up the premiums, and black list the drivers.

It wouldn't be difficult.

how'd they do that

Henry Ford III

Vegeta wrote:

how'd they do that

Commercially sensitive, but it could be done.

5500

Henry Ford III wrote:

Granted, but I reckon there's a fairly large scale fraud going on, where modders don't declare, and pay relatively small money for dodgy cover.

.

This is the thing,ive had 3 modified cars,with excess of 10k's modifications all declared,I never paid anything extra onto my premiums.

The only problem i had once with QD was they tried to raise the premium but said they would only pay the cars book value in the event of a claim (wtf makes no sense,im paying extra to cover the mods'but yet there not covered?!?!) quick call to the IIF sorted it out

optiplexgx270

anyone reported the seller to the guards yet?