BB calling 3BB raise - general principles

MadsL

You are in the BB, blinds 150/300. Average stacked, no monster stacks on table. Last 3 tables of 50 double chance.

UTG Raises 3bb (often raising oop, weak PP, weak aces, not a hope of staying at the table much longer often checks flop after raising)

MP smooth-calls (recently lost large pot betting Q high flop, turn and river with JJ, but otherwise seems fairly solid)

I auto-folded here - with a shaky Q9s, but thinking this through, getting 3.5-1 on a call, is there any value in a smooth call here - What is your range for calling in this position and the plan for the flop out of position?

El Stuntman

MadsL wrote:

You are in the BB, blinds 150/300. Average stacked, no monster stacks on table. Last 3 tables of 50 double chance.

UTG Raises 3bb (often raising oop, weak PP, weak aces, not a hope of staying at the table much longer often checks flop after raising)

MP smooth-calls (recently lost large pot betting Q high flop, turn and river with JJ, but otherwise seems fairly solid)

I auto-folded here - with a shaky Q9s, but thinking this through, getting 3.5-1 on a call, is there any value in a smooth call here - What is your range for calling in this position and the plan for the flop out of position?

was this last Thursday's SE 50 DC?

I think I may be MP....

MadsL

...what u have?

El Stuntman

can't remember tbh but if I lost the JJ hand to a tasty polish chick who called pre-flop raises and smooth called flop turn and river bets, then I'm your man!!

she had pocket Kings

and a pretty smile

ianmc38

Your stack size is important...

Gholimoli

push if you want to play and you have enough to get them to fold and you have an image ofa rather tight player.

MadsL

and a pretty smile

...that let me know she had QQ when a K high flop came. Ohhh my my, my BB K3 is good!

El Stuntman

MadsL wrote:

...that let me know she had QQ when a K high flop came. Ohhh my my, my BB K3 is good!

lol, dammit those were MY chips!!!

salmon coloured jumper is definitely being brought into play this week + no looking down polish chicks cleavages

wore the salmon at home on Sat and took down an MTT, there is definitely something to this....

5starpool

I would definitely turn up to the Emporium if there wer 10 or so salmon colour wearing people there. Obviously I would have no chance against the combined might of salmon, but it would be worth the entry fee.

Washout

5starpool wrote:

I would definitely turn up to the Emporium if there wer 10 or so salmon colour wearing people there. Obviously I would have no chance against the combined might of salmon, but it would be worth the entry fee.

trick is to bring your own in a shoulder bag and throw it on if 8 or more are wearing. but it doesnt have the be a jumper, a t-shirt of similar colour would still hold the power..me thinks

Gholimoli

consider me salmonized...

ianmc38

I've been rummaging through various bargain basements and charity shops but it appears salmon coloured jumpers went out with Chief Brodys movie career in the 80s.

However, if there's a prop bet going i'll definitely find one.

Offers?

El Stuntman

ianmc38 wrote:

I've been rummaging through various bargain basements and charity shops but it appears salmon coloured jumpers went out with Chief Brodys movie career in the 80s.

However, if there's a prop bet going i'll definitely find one.

Offers?

jesus Ian, talk about raising the stakes!!

nb

last longest salmon?

MadsL

talk about thread hijack.....

Start a new thread willya for salmon related prop bets, I beleive the fish forum is open now...(pun)

push if you want to play and you have enough to get them to fold and you have an image ofa rather tight player.

Looking for calling range - I think QQ+ is a given push, whats a calling range here??

Your stack size is important...

As I said - average - 20-30BB

ianmc38

MadsL wrote:

talk about thread hijack.....

As I said - average - 20-30BB

I think you said average, rather than specifying the number of BBs. Personally, i don't like calling off 10%-16% of my stack with Q9s.

That is unless I have a salmon coloured jumper and can feel the spades being sent from up above.

Comic genius yesterday. Chief called a pfr.

Flop 336.

Chief goes all-in. Guy calls with 88. 8 on the turn. Chief then starts moaning as if he's just suffered a horrendous beat. Nearly wet myself laughing.

Gholimoli

MadsL wrote:

talk about thread hijack.....

Start a new thread willya for salmon related prop bets, I beleive the fish forum is open now...(pun)


Looking for calling range - I think QQ+ is a given push, whats a calling range here??

As I said - average - 20-30BB

when i say push here im not saying it for the strenght of your hand.im suggeting a squeez play and hoping to get them to fold.you really only have the first raiser to worry about as if he folds then the second one will prob fold as well.

MadsL

Personally, i don't like calling off 10%-16% of my stack with Q9s.

Sooooooo.......trying desperately to get you to actually read the OP.......what is your calling range??

ianmc38

MadSL, i'm generally raising or folding. I don't like flat calling oop.

If you think either player is raising loosely then a squeeze play could work in this spot.

MadsL

MadSL, i'm generally raising or folding. I don't like flat calling oop.

If you think either player is raising loosely then a squeeze play could work in this spot.

I dont like flatcalling here either, just trying perhaps hypothetically to think if there is a hand I will flatcall with...mid PP perhaps for set value?

Squeezeplay is fine, but I think we have to assume that we are up against players who will drop their hand. I've been caught horribly with a squeezeplay in the past - guys calling my all-in with A7o etc - you just shake your head...