portugal flag

thebaz

driving past a house yesterday noticed a Portugal flag flying outside, i know the resident is Irish and not Portuguese, and whenever Man Utd are playing , he always flies the Man Utd flag. As a nation we like English club football teams, but seam incapable of having any affinity with the English national team ? i was at the match in '95 when England supporters ran amuck, but also abroad i witnessed English fans cheering on the Irish when we were playing.

Rhyme

Ive seen the same, and even though i wouldnt be Englands biggest fan i was cheering for them yesterday and i thought quite highly of them when they really plucked themselves after the loss of both Beckham and Rooney.

England could cheer for us with all they've got and many Irish people still wouldn't give a toss.

Mr.Nice Guy

It's a similar situation with ourselves and NI supporters. Most Irish people would cheer on the NI team if they were at the World Cup but most NI fans wouldn't cheer on the Irish team if we were at the World Cup.

It's just rivalry. It's not a big deal.

I have no affinity to the English national team because I'm not English. I wanted them to lose yesterday for 3 reasons - their arrogance, their OTT media and the fact that they play horribly.

I don't know why people in this country care that we don't support the English. Neither do the Scots and the Welsh and most English people don't give a sh*t.

Terry

the cockiness and arrogant way they go about football is why they are disliked. the belief that they have a given right to win the world cup is just annoying.

whiskeyman

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

It's a similar situation with ourselves and NI supporters. Most Irish people would cheer on the NI team if they were at the World Cup

Would we???? I sure as hell wouldn't and know all my mates wouldn't either.
We'd probably cheer on England quicker!

Mr.Nice Guy

whiskeyman wrote:

Would we???? I sure as hell wouldn't and know all my mates wouldn't either.
We'd probably cheer on England quicker!

Same here to be honest but I think we'd be in the minority. I think they got quite a bit of support back in 1982 when they were at the World Cup.

Wishbone Ash

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

their OTT media

You must be reading British newspapers and watching British Television. I'm sure if you read Portuguese papers and watched Portuguese TV it would be over the top too. We got to a quarter final in 1990 and we're still going on about it.

Mr.Nice Guy

Wishbone Ash wrote:

You must be reading British newspapers and watching British Television.

On RTE, which is Irish television, Dunphy read out a piece from the Telegraph at the start of the tournament which proclaimed that it was their destiny to win and that God was English. Do you accept that's OTT?

Wishbone Ash wrote:

I'm sure if you read Portuguese papers and watched Portuguese TV it would be over the top too.

Why are you sure of that?

Wishbone Ash wrote:

We got to a quarter final in 1990 and we're still going on about it.

No we're not. When do we go on about it? The English are always bringing up 1966. "40 years of hurt".

40 years of bullsh*t more like.

Wishbone Ash

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Telegraph

British Paper - tongue in cheek

The English are always bringing up 1966.

Well they did win it in 1966 didn't they?


Positive self confident attitude - not that it did them much good.



(sure isn't Murray going to win the men's singles title!)

Wertz

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

It's a similar situation with ourselves and NI supporters. Most Irish people would cheer on the NI team if they were at the World Cup but most NI fans wouldn't cheer on the Irish team if we were at the World Cup.

It's just rivalry. It's not a big deal.

I have no affinity to the English national team because I'm not English. I wanted them to lose yesterday for 3 reasons - their arrogance, their OTT media and the fact that they play horribly.

I don't know why people in this country care that we don't support the English. Neither do the Scots and the Welsh and most English people don't give a sh*t.

QFE

Except on your point about the NI team...the only time I ever shouted for them was when they beat England.

That game last night was feckin' quality from my perspective...I feel a certain affinity with the English fans, cos I recall the pain of being put out by the other Iberians in Japan.
As for people whinging about ABE supporters...I feel the same way about people supporting England who aren't from there...but I don't feel the need to complain or make threads about it.

Huggles

Wishbone Ash wrote:

(sure isn't Murray going to win the men's singles title!)

Murray is a Scot and takes huge pleasure correcting teh interviewers when they call him English!

I was cheering on England yesterday as I am an Arsenal supporter, think it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to not cheer for them.

therecklessone

Wow, the thread's lasted an hour and ten minutes so far...

Mr.Nice Guy

Wishbone Ash wrote:

British Paper - tongue in cheek

In the words of Dunphy, "there's no irony in that. The Telegraph is an irony-free zone!"

Wishbone Ash wrote:

Well they did win it in 1966 didn't they?

Yes they did but it was FORTY YEARS AGO. You don't think it's overkill?

Wishbone Ash wrote:

(sure isn't Murray going to win the men's singles title!)

God I hope not. He seems really arrogant. Interestingly enough, English people have been writing on his Wimbledon blog saying they want him to lose because when Murray was asked who he was supporting in the World Cup he said "anybody but England".

LovelyHurling

Do you know what really pisses me off? Its the people who dont know a thing about football celebrating the English loss yesterday. The men who played Portugal yesterday were dedicated, hardworking, sporting heroes to all young English kids and in the pub where I was there was fat, overweight Dublin businessmen cheering to see these men openly emotional at losing out on what they had worked so hard for.

Obviously I support NI and not England, but I would have liked to see them qualify yesterday. Win or lose, no team of sportsmen - in any sport - deserves that kind of mockery

Huggles

LovelyHurling wrote:

Do you know what really pisses me off? Its the people who dont know a thing about football celebrating the English loss yesterday. The men who played Portugal yesterday were dedicated, hardworking, sporting heroes to all young English kids and in the pub where I was there was fat, overweight Dublin businessmen cheering to see these men openly emotional at losing out on what they had worked so hard for.

Obviously I support NI and not England, but I would have liked to see them qualify yesterday. Win or lose, no team of sportsmen - in any sport - deserves that kind of mockery

Agreed. Have a Rugby fan in the office tellin me all about Thierry Henry's fitness levels and statistics :rolleyes: I'm like whatever. Been an arsenal fan for 25 years LOL

dar83

TheGooner wrote:

I was cheering on England yesterday as I am an Arsenal supporter, think it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to not cheer for them.

Shouldn't you have been cheering on France then?

Ruu_Old

LovelyHurling wrote:

Do you know what really pisses me off? Its the people who dont know a thing about football celebrating the English loss yesterday. The men who played Portugal yesterday were dedicated, hardworking, sporting heroes to all young English kids and in the pub where I was there was fat, overweight Dublin businessmen cheering to see these men openly emotional at losing out on what they had worked so hard for.

Obviously I support NI and not England, but I would have liked to see them qualify yesterday. Win or lose, no team of sportsmen - in any sport - deserves that kind of mockery

Indeed, the same people mocking England didnt happen to be wearing Man U or Liverpool jerseys did they?

Huggles

dar83 wrote:

Shouldn't you have been cheering on France then?

Har Har, was cheering for france too!!! Would have been neutral if playing eachother. English club, french players, oh decisions.

markeymark

TheGooner wrote:

I was cheering on England yesterday as I am an Arsenal supporter, think it would be somewhat hypocritical of me to not cheer for them.

By that logic, it would be pretty hyprocritical for Irish people to support English clubs wouldn't it

imo, apart from not supporting the English due to historical rivalries, it has a lot to do with the behaviour of England fans in the recent past and the media coverage of their team. Take the disgraceful media portrayal of ronaldo after last nights game for example. Blame ronaldo, but not a thug who stamps an opposing player in the groin!!!

Huggles

markeymark wrote:

By that logic, it would be pretty hyprocritical for Irish people to support English clubs wouldn't it

imo, apart from not supporting the English due to historical rivalries, it has a lot to do with the behaviour of England fans in the recent past and the media coverage of their team. Take the disgraceful media portrayal of ronaldo after last nights game for example. Blame ronaldo, but not a thug who stamps an opposing player in the groin!!!

Indeed, but don't forget the old tradition of our irish players leaving to join the English clubs. I am a Bohs supporter too, god i have so much love to give.

Nalz

markeymark wrote:

By that logic, it would be pretty hyprocritical for Irish people to support English clubs wouldn't it

imo, apart from not supporting the English due to historical rivalries, it has a lot to do with the behaviour of England fans in the recent past and the media coverage of their team. Take the disgraceful media portrayal of ronaldo after last nights game for example. Blame ronaldo, but not a thug who stamps an opposing player in the groin!!!

Agreed. May be thug is slightly a bit much, with it being a world cup quarter final and tempers and passion at a high but it was nasty clash none the less. And I'll never cheer the English for one main reason, how scared I was as a young lad in Lansdowne rd watchin those thugs (not harsh in this context) destroying our stadium. Granted that is not England and its people on a whole, but not too many countries out there have fans that react like that. Also, being a neighbouring country, we get to hear/see their media reactions...which would drive you nuts!!

LovelyHurling

Yes but not supporting them is fine, I dont think anyone can find fault with that just like nobody has to support Munster or Connaught or Chelsea etc if they dont want to.

Its celebrating their loss that is bad form.

Terry

every second ad on the tv is about england going to win the world cup etc> (until yesterday of course).
it's ok not to support them. it doesn't make you racist.
you would be hard pressed to find an english person supporting germany.
although i do find it laughable when someone wearing a premiership jersey is booing england.

for those of you berating people for watching english tv; it has far superior programming. there are hundreds of niche channels on sky digital and most of them are english. (there is also the black entertainment network, but that's another debate for another day). of course people are going to be exposed to english propaganda. you can't avoid it in this country.
there is also the fact that Ireland has a far smaller population than england. the money and the viewers are not available to support hundreds of niche channels.

you are allowed to not support england. if it's the past that bothers you, then you are also allowed to not support spain and holland, two other countries who, in the past, made incursions into Ireland. (holland with king billy and spain with their war against england and wanting to get a foothold in Ireland). let's not forget the vikings either. that rules out denmark, sweden and norway.

Terry

LovelyHurling wrote:

Yes but not supporting them is fine, I dont think anyone can find fault with that just like nobody has to support Munster or Connaught or Chelsea etc if they dont want to.

Its celebrating their loss that is bad form.

i don't think it's bad form (again, unless you are wearing a premiership jersey while doing it). i think it's funny that they lost. i think of all those men and women all across england crying into their pints of ale as if someone close to them had just died and get a good laugh out of it.

Huggles

julep wrote:

although i do find it laughable when someone wearing a premiership jersey is booing england.

Thats my point! Great post.

Terry

oh yeah. i was outside the pub last night and some scumbag* was talking about how glad he was that england had lost.
i walked up to him and, in my best cockney accent, started waving my hands around and calling him a wanker for saying those things. i stopped just before he decked me and told him i was joking.

*i had seen him outside earlier and he was boasting to his friends about how many times he had gotten away with drink driving. one of the stories involved his vague recollection about crashing into some other car and driving away.

Huggles

julep wrote:

*i had seen him outside earlier and he was boasting to his friends about how many times he had gotten away with drink driving. one of the stories involved his vague recollection about crashing into some other car and driving away.

Sounds like a d1ck to be honest!!

markeymark

Trilla wrote:

Agreed. May be thug is slightly a bit much, with it being a world cup quarter final and tempers and passion at a high but it was nasty clash none the less. And I'll never cheer the English for one main reason, how scared I was as a young lad in Lansdowne rd watchin those thugs (not harsh in this context) destroying our stadium. Granted that is not England and its people on a whole, but not too many countries out there have fans that react like that. Also, being a neighbouring country, we get to hear/see their media reactions...which would drive you nuts!!

Yes I will never forget that match. People could easily have been killed or seriously injured. Theres absolutely no room for this sort of violence in any sport and although the situation has improved somewhat I have to say that I would not feel comfortable with a large contingent of English away fans in any future encounters with the England side

Brian Capture

thebaz wrote:

driving past a house yesterday noticed a Portugal flag flying outside, i know the resident is Irish and not Portuguese, and whenever Man Utd are playing , he always flies the Man Utd flag. As a nation we like English club football teams, but seam incapable of having any affinity with the English national team ? i was at the match in '95 when England supporters ran amuck, but also abroad i witnessed English fans cheering on the Irish when we were playing.

I wonder was the same guy jumping for joy when London was bombed on 7 July last year?

Pompey Magnus

Do people not understand the concept of rivalry? Half the fun of sport is the "us and them" aspect of it. Why should we cheer on England because they are geographically closer to us than Portugal?

I really really like the English people, I loved living in London, it so much nicer than Dublin but every two years I cheer any the other team. The best games of football are those with intense rivalry: Liverpool v Man Utd, Celtic v Rangers, Barcelona v Madrid. It makes things interesting.

LovelyHurling

who said the republic of ireland should support england? As it was pointed out NI, Scotland, and Wales often dont. But not giving someone your support isnt the same thing as gloating at their loss. I dont believe there are that many Portugal supporters in Ireland tbh:rolleyes:

The comments I have heard have not been meant with a spirit of fair rivalry or sportsmanship but downright bitterness

Dermington

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

On RTE, which is Irish television, Dunphy read out a piece from the Telegraph at the start of the tournament which proclaimed that it was their destiny to win and that God was English. Do you accept that's OTT?

Check and mate...

+++++++++++++++++++++++

F*ck it, we are not English so who cares what happens to their team.

Brian Capture

Depeche_Mode wrote:

Celtic v Rangers

Catholic v Protestant.

Responsible for many, many deaths in our country.

Not cool.

I'm not an England fan but the concept of supporting Manchester United and then celebrating an England defeat does not make sense. Does he abuse England / the English from his seat at Old Trafford?

Wertz

Brian Capture wrote:

I wonder was the same guy jumping for joy when London was bombed on 7 July last year?

Yeah of course he was....because we all know that f*cking football and senseless vilolence/loss of life/horrific injury are one and the same :rolleyes:

Cop on

Terry

Depeche_Mode wrote:

Do people not understand the concept of rivalry? Half the fun of sport is the "us and them" aspect of it. Why should we cheer on England because they are geographically closer to us than Portugal?

I really really like the English people, I loved living in London, it so much nicer than Dublin but every two years I cheer any the other team. The best games of football are those with intense rivalry: Liverpool v Man Utd, Celtic v Rangers, Barcelona v Madrid. It makes things interesting.

the pc brigade and the west brits don't understand this.
they want you to support england because the 'ra bombed the **** out of england in the 70's and 80's and we're all supposed to feel guilty about this and love our neighbours and support them in everything they do, even though most of us have never had any affiliation with the 'ra or supported their actions.
i'll enjoy watching them cry about losing and laugh as they make up the usual lame excuses.
why?
because they're our sporting rivals.

i wouldn't cheer on an english runner in the olympics, i have no interest in the commonwealth games and i don't cheer england on it the six nations. why should i support their soccer team?

Terry

Brian Capture wrote:

Catholic v Protestant.

Responsible for many, many deaths in our country.

Not cool.

yeah, but only if you're retarded enough to buy into that crap.
funnily enough, the average celtic/ rangers fan is.

Mossy Monk

Brian Capture wrote:

I wonder was the same guy jumping for joy when London was bombed on 7 July last year?

WTF has that got to do with this thread

Brian Capture

Mossy Monk wrote:

WTF has that got to do with this thread

London is in England. English people died in the bombings.

England football team is made up of English people. Primarily supported by English people.

If you hate England, their football team and their fans I can be forgiven for assuming that you won't shed any tears when innocent English civilians are blown to bits.

Dagnir Glaurung

No neighbouring countries support each other :rolleyes: It's just natural rivalry and is probably extended in our case because if we want to watch top class football we have to watch the British media so we're more sensitive to its hype.

Dagnir Glaurung

Brian Capture wrote:

London is in England. English people died in the bombings.

England football team is made up of English people. Primarily supported by English people.

If you hate England, their football team and their fans I can be forgiven for assuming that you won't shed any tears when innocent English civilians are blown to bits.

Do you also assume if one supports England then they automatically love British troops in Iraq? It's sport for god's sake.

iFight

julep wrote:

yeah, but only if you're retarded enough to buy into that crap.
funnily enough, the average celtic/ rangers fan is.

Exactly, why would any fan give a **** what religion the other is, I doubt many of these 'hardcore' fans actually practice their religion. Sure, in Edinburdh, I think there are two teams, Protestant and Caholic and they would be rivals without involving religious practice.

Mossy Monk

Brian Capture wrote:

London is in England. English people died in the bombings.

England football team is made up of English people. Primarily supported by English people.

If you hate England, their football team and their fans I can be forgiven for assuming that you won't shed any tears when innocent English civilians are blown to bits.

hating the English football team does not mean hating England

WhiteWashMan

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Yes they did but it was FORTY YEARS AGO. You don't think it's overkill?
".

jaysus, the irish go on about some famine that happened a lot longer ago than that...

and as always, what is good for the goose, has no effect on the gander.

LovelyHurling

well the famine was kind of a big deal in fairness. Ray Houghtans goal on the other hand...

People down here as just as 'guilty' of going on about their sporting successes as England or anywhere in my opinion. The difference is you call it national pride and you call theirs arrogance

Hagar

As a Man Utd fan I reserve the right to support Man Utd players not on the England team.
Personally I think Christian Ronaldo scored a lovely penalty.

Some of the well supported Premiership players on the England team didn't do quite so well however.

As a Man Utd fan I would like to express my abhorrance of Rooney's thugish behaviour. I hope he never does it in a ManU shirt.

Brian Capture

Mossy Monk wrote:

hating the English football team does not mean hating England

Maybe not for you it doesn't.

But for the IRA, the Real IRA, their supporters and the guys who shout 'Up the RA' at Wolfe Tones concerts, hating the England football team is another extension of their overall hatred and loathing of England and all associated with it.

The less I have in common with people like that, the better.

Pompey Magnus

:rolleyes:

By that logic then I don't support England because many loyalists up North have their England jerseys on and were cheering them on against the papist Portuguese and the less I have in common with people like that the better.

Mossy Monk

most civilised people wouldnt want anything to do with those people either

LovelyHurling

Depeche_Mode wrote:

:rolleyes:

By that logic then I don't support England because many loyalists up North have their England jerseys on and were cheering them on against the papist Portuguese and the less I have in common with people like that the better.

Did they?? I dont doubt it if you say so, but would find that very surprising. Loyalist extremists dont have a habit of supporting England. Maybe its just the thugs but I dont know any Unionists who would own an England jersey. Most people in the south dont seem to understand that one thing that definitely unites Nationalist and Unionist Scumbags is their dislike of the England Football Team. Was it on the news?

mikemac

I remember cheering on England in Euro 96.

This ended when they played Germany. The usual tabloids trash started.
"We beat you in the war Fritz, we'll beat you again" et al

Wtf were English fans singing songs about WWII in Germany? I was almost hoping for a large-scale riot so England would be thrown out of the competition


Don't they know that the British royal familty is descended from Germans?

nlgbbbblth

Depeche_Mode wrote:

:rolleyes:

By that logic then I don't support England because many loyalists up North have their England jerseys on and were cheering them on against the papist Portuguese and the less I have in common with people like that the better.

I'm not an expert on this but I believe that most 'loyalists up North' tend to support Northern Ireland and do not shout for the England team.

Lovely Hurling or others living in that area might clarify?