I have you on a small PP what can i do with this flop

Bandana boy

Have had a couple of Pints playing the 1-2 HE in Fitz Sat night

Following hand

Villain 1 a good mate but a terrible card player Stack 200
Villain 2 a long term player know him from Back in the merrion days 4 years ago I think i have a very good read on him Stack 300+

Hand i have T8 i limp CO stack 300
Villain 1 on BB makes it 10 and Villain 2 UTG makes it 35 to play (might not have these exact but you have the idea)

now I am 95% confident that this is PP under Jacks from UTG this is how he plays them while he seems to scared to limp re-raise with bigger pairs in caes there is nothing to re-raise BB could be any rag Ace

i decide to call

Flop comes T87 all diamonds
BB leads for 100 UTG reraises to 225 Action

cardshark202

Would small PP == 77?

fuzzbox

Your insistence on calling off 10%+ of your stack preflop with suited (and unsutied) connectors and 1 gappers is not good play.

Goodluck2me

i agree, the likelihoood of a suitable flop for your hand is quite unlikely, you may well have a read on Player B as any overcards you may be able to bluff him off the pot, but that makes your cards irrelevant, but with player A involved too you would need a piece of something to starts raising/reraising as bad players tend to be callign stations.

Bandana boy

cardshark202 wrote:

Would small PP == 77?

Sml PP for this gent would normally be 66-TT

RoundTower

You should go all in now, fold preflop, and have a different read.

5starpool

Bandana boy wrote:

Sml PP for this gent would normally be 66-TT

So on a board with 3 of these cards out, and 99 giving an open ender, with a pot size bet (nearly) and a reraise I can't see what you would be thinking on a flush and straight board.

In theory you might be ahead of Adx and 99 if your mindreading skills are good but even so that is a lot of bullets to dodge, never mind if the Adx isn't Ad with 7/8/T giving you 3 more bullets to dodge.

As said above though this should all be irrelevant cause you shouldn't be playing for 35 with those cards.

Bandana boy

35 might seem steep
but i know that Villain 1 is going to try check raise if he hits his ace and continuation bet if he misses
I will then see what happens when he plays through PP dude who doent know this and is likely(imo) to fold to over cards

As it turns out i folded as I think to much of his range is a set and what is not is open ended str8

My dilema was why was he trying to push me out of the hand with a set?
As it turns out he did indeed have 99 and Villain 1 had AQ no diamonds in sight

RoundTower

If you take another look at the flop you will see why he would try to push you off the hand or make it expensive for you with a set.

fuzzbox

You really love to justify your bad preflop calls with some mad and weird logic.

Continuing to play this way, is really horrible poker, and you will leak variously large amounts of chips, trying desperately to hit 2-pair/straight.

Whats worse is that you also leak chips postflop when you hit middle/top pair no kicker agaisnt a preflop reraiser, hoping desperately that he has missed overcards.

When you do hit, you do not make enough money to make up for your preflop mistakes.

Bandana boy

RoundTower wrote:

If you take another look at the flop you will see why he would try to push you off the hand or make it expensive for you with a set.

I gave credence to the likely hood of a set and possible fear of board
but this is not str8 and flush draw board this is a made flush and str8 board neither of which folds so who does the set re-raise encourage to fold i think personally set should call here ? but guess that is just me

Bandana boy

fuzzbox wrote:

You really love to justify your bad preflop calls with some mad and weird logic.

Continuing to play this way, is really horrible poker, and you will leak variously large amounts of chips, trying desperately to hit 2-pair/straight.

Whats worse is that you also leak chips postflop when you hit middle/top pair no kicker agaisnt a preflop reraiser, hoping desperately that he has missed overcards.

When you do hit, you do not make enough money to make up for your preflop mistakes.

in fairness Fuzz I was drunk and playing a little like a loon but i wanted to go chat up mayo nurses in Rios not play cards and had to place that pent up frustration in punishing oop raggy ace raises
that on top of a 4 hour solid session on Friday evening against a poor feild only yielding 100 profit for the reasons of too much caution I was prob more aggresive than normal

RoundTower

Bandana boy wrote:

I gave credence to the likely hood of a set and possible fear of board
but this is not str8 and flush draw board this is a made flush and str8 board neither of which folds so who does the set re-raise encourage to fold i think personally set should call here ? but guess that is just me

This is hold'em so there are a lot of hands that have a straight draw or flush draw, not just a made straight or flush. Any hand with a 9 or a diamond. I can understand if you were drunk at the time but surely in the light of day you realise why your play is bad?

Bandana boy

Bandana boy wrote:

As it turns out i folded

So you think i should call ?

RoundTower

No I actually think you shoudl go all in. Folding is fine though. It's your preflop play and your analysis of the situation I think is flawed.

jbravado

but i wanted to go chat up mayo nurses in Rios not play cards

nc