what experiances made u believe?

j2u

i know there is a similar post on life after death,but a few months ago i heard some mediums were on today fm and were talking about spirits being all around us, i was more interested in what people texted in ,people were saying things like `after experinacing what i have experianced i now have no fear of death,things like that so i wanted to ask has anyone experianced things to in their opinion answer the question IS THERE LIFE AFTER DEATH?like has anyone contacted people passed on and if so have they ever asked those passed on is there a heaven and a hell?is there a god and a satan?whats heaven or hell like?is the ouija board real?or just the sub conscience mind playing tricks as i have heard some people say this before.

New_Departure06

My witch-friend claims that those who have passed to the spirit-world are forbidden from telling us substantial info on what it's like. But she also claims to have sometimes entered it but wasn't able to stay there too long as it used up so much of her energy. She also claims to have contacted her grandmother and knew she was there from her perfume scent in the room. She has used ouijaboards and I asked her to use it to contact my aunt and find out if she had a message for me. She tried by was unable. She says that means she must have passed on to another plane (sortof meaning heaven). Also apparently some spirits fear their fate in the ultimate plane so stay on earth. There supposedly is a heaven and hell also.

6th

Probably seems like i've wasted my interections with spirits as i've never asked or felt the need to ask about the after llife. The fact that these people have appeared to me and in most cases seemed happy i dont feel the need.

Life is amazing enough at times for me to want to spoil it and skip a few pages ahead.

As for not being afraid of dying, even though i know i'll be fine after it happens i still dont like the idea of getting a smack of a truck or dying in a nasty way.

New_Departure06

6th a while ago you offered to try contacting my aunt. Any luck? (6th is not the witch I refer to).

6th

i've had alot on and havent been in a situation to try have myself that open. In saying that like i said before you know i'm just "having a go". I'm an amateur at best but more than willing to openen myself up to anything i can get.

Next couple of weeks i'll be setting alot of time aside for opening myself up.

cant hurt to try.

New_Departure06

Ok.

stevenmu

The way I look at it is that we have particular language that we can use to communicate with each other. The whole structure of that language is based on the physical world we percieve around us. Nouns refer to objects we can see or hear or touch or feel, verbs refer to the physical interactions we can have with them and adjectives refer to how we percieve them. Even the whole structure of our language is based on our physical existence, how we experience time and so on. Our whole brain structure and thought processes have also developed on similar lines, i.e. they're based on the physical world and how we interact with it.

The after-life/spirit world would be so different from anything we could possibly imagine, and probably so different than anything we could comprehend, that I don't think there's any way a spirit could even begin to communicate what it's like.

Cactus Col

I like this question, I think it is what I was trying to ask in another thread ... I always wonder why mediums and such don't just ask a spirit something along the lines of "does God exist?"

The reasons I can think of is that 1) (as 6th said) people don't think to ask, 2) that people are afraid to ask, or 3) that they only listen to what confirms their own beliefs.

stevenmu

I really don't see what a spirit could answer that would make any kind of sense. If I was to say something like

With polymorphism we define an abstract super class to enforce a common interface, allowing us to instantiate instances of subclasses and, within the predefined interface, treat them all in a type independant manner

it would seem like complete gibberish to most people, but people familiar with object orientated programming should be able to understand it easily (and probably even correct me on it). It's not that anything in that sentence is particularly complicated or hard to understand, it's just that it takes some knowledge and understanding of the subject area for it to make any kind of sense.

That's just an example involving computers which is something that we're all at least a little bit familiar with. The spirit world is something much much further removed from our concious knowledge and experience.

Cactus Col

But spirits (like people who work in i.t.) were once people too, and I'm sure they have the ability to dumb it down, especially for a simple yes or no question.

Also, if you don't ask, how can you get any kind of answer?

kshiel

That really is a great question. I have seen spirits in my time and have not asked. Often woundered about it though. Read a book by Mia Dolan who is a medium and she said she got these answers off her spirit guide. That there is a heaven and a hell. Said that were there is absoulte good there is absoulte evil. One goes with the other if you know what I mean. Ojua boards scare the hell out of me as I always say if a person wants to contact you they will these boards you do not know what you are getting, but in saying that lots of people used them for years with no trouble.

6th

I believe in no evil greater than what we as people are capable of, and no good either for that matter.

my_house

i always wonder what it is we 'believe' in the first place. I've had quite a few experiences in my life but yet Im hesitant to automatically believe it all revolves around dead people talking (though I have had experiences of that too). I think these things may be much much much more complicated that a yes or no answer (as in does hell/heaven exist etc etc) and mroe than likely will end up involving a lot of things that will eventually become part of science

solas

I don't know if I believe in an afterlife. I've had experiences that would have me believe as much, although like the op stated I'm not sure how much of it is a subconscious thought process.

I would be content in believing in a infinite state of existance..and on a physical level as a kind of universal matter, ultimately the essence of all existance.
If such is the case then we have access to those memories embedded somewhere in our physical makeup.

Often when people have been bereaved or in cases where folk meditate on a regular basis they have experiences which give them a glimpse or help them access these memories. The common key which opens the door to this awareness and levels understanding seems to come through experiencing "unconditional love", the strings which keep us tied to those who are no longer with us, an which in metaphysical terms raises our vibrational on a cellular level..
They're just a couple of words which might be completley meaningless until it is something which has been experienced and most often we do when we loose those close to us, it's like a wake up call.

I wrote a poem a few years back, when I was in a state of ..eh..accessing.
Like steven said, words are human construct and if there is a state of continuation it's not so much how it appears physically but the sense in which it exists, so in this instant words are used to convey the concept of a state of existance.

How would you describe being the most infinite particle of the essence which makes up the universe?


Shafts of crystal blinding light
sunbeam and rainbows,
divine tears from distant spheres
where still waters flow.

Ebbing through the ages
with one, perpetual motion.
Faith to know that golden glow
beckons eternal bliss, unbroken.

Instant waves of certainty
without cause for doubt.
angel wings, shimmering things
radiate throughout.

Sanctuary of love and peace
without fear or shade,
reunited with the truth
in our hearts engraved

Every blessed instant,
cells of memory recall
love,
in kind you will find
the unity of us all.



apologies if it's all too mushy, I got tired of the scientific analysis of existance, thought a little creativity wouldn't go astray.

stevenmu

Cactus Col wrote:

But spirits (like people who work in i.t.) were once people too, and I'm sure they have the ability to dumb it down, especially for a simple yes or no question.

Also, if you don't ask, how can you get any kind of answer?

Actually that's a good point, while I can only think of one way to fully understand any after life, I suppose some amount of detail, however small could be shared.

solas wrote:

apologies if it's all too mushy, I got tired of the scientific analysis of existance, thought a little creativity wouldn't go astray.

Actually in this context I think poetry is probably one of the best mediums for communicating, along with maybe music and some other art forms. If I was more in touch with my emotions I might even understand some of it

j2u

guys i appreciate all your responses but some of you are discussing wheter there is an afterlife or not,that wasnt my question and if im not mistaken there is currently a recent active thread on wheter or not an afterlife exists so if you havent experianced anything to convince you of an afterlife or if you dont believe in one tent please dont post on this thread. dont mean to be rude i just want to view what evidence there is for the exisistence of an afterlife

stevenmu

lol, well said, sometimes we tend to misread a topic and then we all get a little carried away with off-topicness, sorry about that.

6th

ok well on topic, as I've said i've had a fair amount of experiences with "spirits" these where people who once trotted around in bodies just like us. They died yet are still around and in many cases still conscious as opposed to "recordings". This has convinced me that there is more but am I gonna tie myself in knots trying to get answers to exactly what happens after we die? No.