Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories

Lemlin

Just to let yas know lads, HMV have an offer at the minute where if you spend 33 euro in-store, you can get Liberty City Stories half price for 16.99.

It's also their June sale at the minute.

By the way, a full price comparison of all today's releases is up at http://www.irishgamer.ie/features.php?id=1&page=1. We thought its something that people would be interested in and are doing it each week.

RobertFoster

Or if you don't want to spend >€33 in HMV, it's ~€18.90 from SendIt.com.

philologos

is this the PSP or PS2 Version. Because Rockstar said they were doing a budget on the PS2 version. Meh I only ever get the PC releases anyway was just interested. (clicky on my sig btw)

Lemlin

Jakkass wrote:

is this the PSP or PS2 Version. Because Rockstar said they were doing a budget on the PS2 version. Meh I only ever get the PC releases anyway was just interested. (clicky on my sig btw)

It's the PS2 version. The budget price is about 32 or 29.99 in most places but it's half price in this offer.

philologos

Irish Gamer should really do comparisons on online stores as well.

Lemlin

Jakkass wrote:

Irish Gamer should really do comparisons on online stores as well.

We hope to do that in future too. Just concentrating on getting a comparison of all the brick and mortar shops up and running first.

evad_lhorg

hmm i may get that. i have more sopranos to be buying

CiDeRmAn

Got GTA LCS yesterday for the PS2, not having played the PSP version and looking forward to revisiting Liberty City and Wow, this game sucks, the graphics are awful, the whole package feels cheap.
It feels as if the last 6 years never happened for Rockstar, as the textures, shading, shadows seem as they were in GTAIII.
Now I know this is a conversion from the PSP but one could have expected that if they were going to push another chapter of the GTA universe at us that they would have at least brought the game up to PS2 standards, current PS2 standards that is.
I popped on Driver Parallel Lines just to see what can be done with the now aging hardware and that game plays and looks so much better, vehicles and characters looking far far better, missions are standard enough fare but done so well you don't mind.
In fact the only thing I like about GTA over Driver PL is the mini map onscreen and the sense of humour, which was, in the main, missing from GTA SA anyway.
While I grew to dislike GTA SA I couldn't believe how jaded this offering from Rockstar was.
Despite its cheap price point, please avoid this pile of crap, just buy Driver PL instead, you should be able to pick it up 2nd hand by now for the same price, a much much better investment of your money imho.

KdjaCL

Odd im loving it, done nearly all the early missions just one or 2 more for Sal then im off to the next part.


Never noticed the graphics, they never bother me the game is far more important and its GTA but like a small one.



kdjac

steviec

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Got GTA LCS yesterday for the PS2, not having played the PSP version and looking forward to revisiting Liberty City and Wow, this game sucks, the graphics are awful, the whole package feels cheap.
It feels as if the last 6 years never happened for Rockstar, as the textures, shading, shadows seem as they were in GTAIII.
Now I know this is a conversion from the PSP but one could have expected that if they were going to push another chapter of the GTA universe at us that they would have at least brought the game up to PS2 standards, current PS2 standards that is.
I popped on Driver Parallel Lines just to see what can be done with the now aging hardware and that game plays and looks so much better, vehicles and characters looking far far better, missions are standard enough fare but done so well you don't mind.
In fact the only thing I like about GTA over Driver PL is the mini map onscreen and the sense of humour, which was, in the main, missing from GTA SA anyway.
While I grew to dislike GTA SA I couldn't believe how jaded this offering from Rockstar was.
Despite its cheap price point, please avoid this pile of crap, just buy Driver PL instead, you should be able to pick it up 2nd hand by now for the same price, a much much better investment of your money imho.

Wow... Weren't you preaching about how irrelevant graphics are in the Nintendo forum?

That said I wouldn't really see the appeal of a PS2 version - by far the best thing about the game is the wi-fi modes. The single player doesn't add anything new - but then you shouldn't really expect it to, it's a budget game and it does still have the great core gameplay and freedom that makes GTA what it is. GTA has never ever been about graphics.

Dancing_Priest

I dunno really, to be honest Im just finding it to be so so, I mean the bikes dont even lean when cornering in first person view, the hobos in the tunnel are gone, for no apperant reason. It just seems a little lazy, I know its just a conversion but Ive come to expect more from rockstar over the years than this.

Kristok

I dont think the conversion was done by rockstar and it actually looks worse than the psp version.

GrumPy

This game is a feckin disaster, The controls suck, the graphics suck, the loading times suck, the quality of the games build is terrible, it takes to long to load, the frame rate is hideous,

It's just terrible.

I have fond memories of vice city, but after getting used to HD gaming with xbox360, this game is just pure filth. People will argue that the gameplay for gta is what it's all about, but this game should never have made it off the psp.

KdjaCL

Lol guess pretty games are all people want. There no loading times, game starts and thats it not one loading bar ?


Stayed up till 5am last night playing with mates in the oul Mission for Mission Mp mode.


Its GTA it looks crap and the controls are GTA , the game follows the exact same formula as all the others. And it does it quite nicely, even down to the how the hell did that happen style crashes

Its GTA and damn good if you like GTA.


kdjac

GrumPy

I loved vice city, I loved vice city even more when I fell in love with it again on the xbox, (much faster loading times, waaaay better controls, sharper graphics) It just pains me to see the "new" GTA in the state it's in.

Compare it to any other recent ps2 games, like sotC, or resi4 and it's just horrible.

And this is coming from someone who stills plays mgs1 on the ps1, so cant really argue I care about graphics tbh.

philologos

GTA is about gameplay not graphics imho, Vice City Stories is next up for release, then GTA IV will be on PS3 and Xbox 360, can't complain about that. GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas have used a similar engine hence why their releases were so close to eachother.

monument

Irish GrumPy wrote:

I loved vice city,

Did you love any of the other GTA games?

I’ve found that fans of VC aren’t always fans of the rest of the games, including or excluding pre-GTA 3.

Borat_Sagdiyev

For anyone that thinks that GTA was ever concerned with top-notch graphics, take a look at this:

http://www2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~shio/gta/gta1/screenshots.html

qz

Borat_Sagdiyev wrote:

For anyone that thinks that GTA was ever concerned with top-notch graphics, take a look at this:

http://www2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~shio/gta/gta1/screenshots.html

God I fúcking loved that game.

Borat_Sagdiyev

Same here. Its absolutely brilliant. The second one was good as well. You could bring cars to the docks to crush them and you'd get rewards for them.

ie if you brought a cop car to be crushed, you'd get a police bribe, if you brought another type of car, you'd get machine guns. Must dig it up and give it a go.

EDIT: Both of those games are available for free too, completely legit. Rockstar made them available as far as I know.

RobertFoster

qz wrote:

God I fúcking loved that game.

Me too. Looking at the screenshots brought back lots of memories. I think I must have over played it though - I was able to recognise most of the areas in the shots and how to get there

GTA2 was fun also, but not as good as the first game IMO.

monument

I've just got the PS2 version of LCS today, and now I’m confused about where the awful graphics are.

It's £14.99 delivered on play.com! Were not talking about a full priced game here.

GrumPy

monument wrote:

I've just got the PS2 version of LCS today, and now I’m confused about where the awful graphics are.

It's £14.99 delivered on play.com! Were not talking about a full priced game here.

Have you played any recent ps2 games?? The graphics are very dated, and sure it has the same old great gta gameplay, but its such a cheap port! It looks, and feels icky.

GrumPy

evad_lhorg wrote:

hmm i may get that. i have more sopranos to be buying

Dony buy it, it's muck, cheap nasty port.

monument

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Have you played any recent ps2 games?? The graphics are very dated, and sure it has the same old great gta gameplay, but its such a cheap port! It looks, and feels icky.

Yes, if it's a cheap port it's at a cheap price, I'm not saying the graphics are great, but they're also not awful.

Maybe you’re using a larger/better TV that shows up the graphic flaws more, or maybe you rate graphs higher then myself and have a lower threshold of what is awful???

Added: To take one of your examples of better graphics in newer games, I hardly think creating the vastly empty environments of the full price game SotC compares to the city environment of LC at a cut price. The way it was portrayed here I expected much worse graphics

Irish GrumPy wrote:

Dony buy it, it's muck, cheap nasty port.

If you're a GTA fan, at less then 20 euro online, it's worth it.

Threads merged.

CiDeRmAn

Well, I have been a GTA fan and it all just seems to have been ignorant of the various improvements in PS2 software since GTA3 was released, regarding graphics, my point there is that you don't have to be a slave to the next gen sheen that they insist on mapping onto every on screen polygon these days but that said standards have gone up, we should expect that in the years since GTA3 that the game should look better, should play better etc, GTALCS doesn't, yet the competition Driver Parallel Lines does, its as if having relieved themselves in my PS2 with Driver3 they took a long hard look at the genre and made the best game they could with current tech and came up with Driver PL, GTA on the other hand seems to have gotten lazy since VC, SA to bloated and LCS seeming like cheapest cash in, the defintion of a lazy port.
Just imagine all the GTA fans running out and spending 30 euro on it, at least when you buy it in an Irish shop you can return it for something else.

philologos

GTA LCS was a quick port over from the PSP thats it. GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas all use the same game engine. This shall be improved at the time of the GTA IV release. Rockstar have done a good job in order to give us good features and gameplay. It isnt all about graphics tbh.

evad_lhorg

lets not forget here... the next gta is called gta 4.... which implies a new turn of events and styles. gta 3 was released years ago with vice city and san andreas being huge add-ons. gta 4 will be somethin new a different. otherwise it would be called gta 6.

at least i hope... the cant just discount the first two games. i enjoyed them more tbh.

Ciaran500

It seems to be everytime they change engine, they take a new number.

monument

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Well, I have been a GTA fan and it all just seems to have been ignorant of the various improvements in PS2 software since GTA3 was released, regarding graphics, my point there is that you don't have to be a slave to the next gen sheen that they insist on mapping onto every on screen polygon these days but that said standards have gone up, we should expect that in the years since GTA3 that the game should look better,

Taking all the games into account, GTA has rarely measured up to high end graphics of the day. And this release is less then 20 euro online on day one – take it like an expansion pack not a new game.

CiDeRmAn wrote:

should play better etc, GTALCS doesn't, yet the competition Driver Parallel Lines does,

Play better then Driv3r (sic)??? - now I haven’t played Driv3r, but I’m led to believe it was muck, so, for the new one to be better it wouldn’t take much of a leap.

CiDeRmAn wrote:

its as if having relieved themselves in my PS2 with Driver3 they took a long hard look at the genre and made the best game they could with current tech and came up with Driver PL

Again, it appears after number three, they had no choice but to take a ‘long hard look’.

CiDeRmAn wrote:

GTA on the other hand seems to have gotten lazy since VC, SA to bloated

On PS2, the critics, generally speaking, evenly praise SA and VC (Metacrtic.com rates both evenly). And with any one person who preferred the Miami Vice like setting of VC, another may prefer the “black culture” of SA.

CiDeRmAn wrote:

and LCS seeming like cheapest cash in, the defintion of a lazy port.
Just imagine all the GTA fans running out and spending 30 euro on it, at least when you buy it in an Irish shop you can return it for something else.

At less then 20 euro online or 30 euro and return off line, it’s worth it

It’s been argued that price must reflect content, equally evaluation of content must take a count of price.

Nehpets

It goes GTA, GTA II, GTA: London, GTA III, GTA: Vice City, GTA: San Andreas, GTA 4

GTA 4 will be a new engine. New game.

OSiriS

CiDeRmAn wrote:

it all just seems to have been ignorant of the various improvements in PS2 software since GTA3 was released ... LCS seeming like cheapest cash in, the defintion of a lazy port.

LCS is not strictly speaking a PS2 game, it is a PSP game, which as you noted was ported. Looking back at the history of GTA when have they ever re-written any version from the ground up when porting to another platform? LCS doesn't make use of PS2 technology as it was written for the PSP. They ported a PS2 version because there was demand for it. Had they rewritten it as you seem to have wanted them to it would have taken much longer, and you would be shelling out €60 or whatever PS2 games go for these days instead of €20.

CiDeRmAn

For the record however, pretty much mo one has been able to produce a decent GTA style game, True Crime, Driver3 and many others, all awful, even at its worst GTA was better than them all, so don;t assume I have a axe to gring here.
And while others found the "black culture" of SA good I found it really boring, and this is from a guy who has an extensive collection of PE and Dre records, didn't find it engaging at all and it simply sprawled too much, anyway it is at the end of the day my own opinion, many of my mates loved the game, at least until San Fierro when they got bored and played something else instead.

Retr0gamer

I thought Gun played an awful lot better than the GTA games. Just a pity that it took 10 minutes to beat.

steviec

Retr0gamer wrote:

I thought Gun played an awful lot better than the GTA games. Just a pity that it took 10 minutes to beat.

On foot yes but I wasn't too keen on the horseback gameplay. My favourite parts of GTA have always heavily involved the vehicles though, I think it's out of the car that there's the most room for improvement.

projectmayhem

Jakkass wrote:

GTA LCS was a quick port over from the PSP thats it. GTA 3, Vice City and San Andreas all use the same game engine. This shall be improved at the time of the GTA IV release. Rockstar have done a good job in order to give us good features and gameplay. It isnt all about graphics tbh.

for the record GTA3/LCS, VC and SA used renderware and GTA IV will use "RAGE" (rockstar advanced game engine, i think), a custom engine built for GTA. their test game for rage? table tennis on 360

4Xcut

evad_lhorg wrote:

otherwise it would be called gta 6.

7: why does everyone forget london

RobertFoster

4Xcut wrote:

7: why does everyone forget london

Because London was an add-on pack which you needed to own the original GTA in order to play.

Beekay

Nehpets wrote:

It goes GTA, GTA II, GTA: London, GTA III, GTA: Vice City, GTA: San Andreas, GTA 4

GTA 4 will be a new engine. New game.

London was before 2.


And if i remember correctly the three different cities in GTA were LC,VC and SA.and then GTA London came out

So if you go by how they have done it with the last three games technically the next should be set in London,but thats just a theory

CiDeRmAn

Regarding Gun, I had far more fun in Rockstars own Red Dead Revolver, wonderful stuff, linear yes but it allowed for a tighter scripted story.

And have a feeling that sooner or later GTA will go International, I mean having taken in most of the US cities already, with Liberty City being a mix of New York, Phily and Chicago I can't wait to see, as you say London/Paris or better still Nice for all my Ronin fantasies, although Burnout 1 does most of that at the mo, oh yes, tearing through tunnels the wrong way in a high powered car, In wonder what the Port Tunneks policy will be on my Nissan Almera doing that?

steviec

I doubt they'll do London straight out, it'll be a fictional location similar to London if they go for it. I do wonder if it would hurt sales in America though. Over here we tend to be more used to things set in America and accept it so it doesn't hurt sales, but I get the impression it doesn't work the other way. Maybe I'm way off the mark in that judgment though. I would love to see something set in London, especially to see what soundtrack they'd come up with.

KdjaCL

I just want a speedometer in the new one. Thats all more missions few different characters, better Ai and a speedometer.


kdjac

OptimusMime

According to the internet(find the links yourself), the next GTA is supposed to be GTAEurope... instead of just one city or state to wander around it'll be a whole continent.

That'd be class, especially if they include Ireland... there could be a mission about convincing the Irish government that an Orangeman's rally down O'Connel St would be a good idea; then the next mission could involve starting a riot at an Orangemans in the O'Connel St area!!

Oh, and you could probably drive around London and Paris too, Could be the best game ever!!!

In fairness, as long as you don't die as soon as you fall into the sea I'll be happy...

GrumPy

OptimusMime wrote:

According to the internet(find the links yourself), the next GTA is supposed to be GTAEurope... instead of just one city or state to wander around it'll be a whole continent.

pffftttt :rolleyes:

monument

Feck GTA, I want to see an advanced and updated Getaway job done on modern day Dublin, but, ok, with a GTA feel.

Retr0gamer

monument wrote:

Feck GTA, I want to see an advanced and updated Getaway job done on modern day Dublin, but, ok, with a GTA feel.

Absolute genius idea The cockney accent would be relaced by the dublin skanger and knackerisms.

Instructions: 'Press x to call brazer'

Character: 'How much to get me nat (king cole)?'

Lemlin

Retr0gamer wrote:

Absolute genius idea The cockney accent would be relaced by the dublin skanger and knackerisms.

Instructions: 'Press x to call brazer'

Character: 'How much to get me nat (king cole)?'

Just think of the fun you could have beating up a gang of youths outside Centra!

Yout could then proceed to steal the money that they wanted you to buy them cans of Dutch Gold with.

Borat_Sagdiyev

OptimusMime wrote:

In fairness, as long as you don't die as soon as you fall into the sea I'll be happy...

Brilliant!

quinnd6

Does the city and all the locations in gtalcs look exactly the same as they did in gta3?
Is there really any point in getting this game if youve got and finished gta3?

Ciaran500

There is some differences but overall its the same.

monument

New missions/story.