Ring of Truth Tickets?

ShaneT

Hey All.

Any news on when the ROT tickets will be available? Or, are they already and I'm just a muppet?

-ShaneT

Duracel

yes me thinks you are not a muppet, but the ring of truth is not worth going to see.

Pretty poor quality all round

mark.leonard

Duracel wrote:

yes me thinks you are not a muppet, but the ring of truth is not worth going to see.

Pretty poor quality all round

lol @ the poorest troling attempt this year. So not worthy of a retort!

Tim_Murphy

OK, I'm heading away from my pc shortly but I want a long amusing thread by the time I'm back tomorrow morning!

judomick

Duracel wrote:

Pretty poor quality all round

a bit like your grammar

Dragan

Duracel wrote:

yes me thinks you are not a muppet, but the ring of truth is not worth going to see.

Pretty poor quality all round

Someones being watching Wandy highlights on Youtube all day me thinks!!! :rolleyes:

judomick

Dragan wrote:

Someones being watching Wandy highlights on Youtube all day me thinks!!! :rolleyes:

you obviously have not seen Owen Roddy vs Tim Murphy

Wanderlei doesnt come close

Dragan

judomick wrote:

you obviously have not seen Owen Roddy vs Tim Murphy

Oh i saw it alright, was close enough to the ring to smell it!!!!

Man my heart went out to Tim on that one, i was convinced it was his.....still though, as i said after the fight....if you were ever gonna lose a fight, that was the one you could be proud off!!!!

Magnificent!!!!!

My comment was kinda meant for the guy knocking ring of truth, basically a subtle way of saying get off Youtube and go to a show and enjoy it!!!!

Bit ambiguous eh????

john kavanagh

tickets available usual places end of next week(ish)

fight card looking VERY cool:D

Duracel

I am happy for you guys, playing the big fishes in a small pond.

Apart from the grammar, lets look at what I said,


Poor quality all round.

The venue is overcrowded. And the punters are almost in the ring, making it difficult for the other paying folk to see.

The fighters are good for Ireland, but are there no fighters outside Ireland. Or would that only run the risk of taking a beating.

So all we get is the same fighters fighting the same fighters all the time,

The magnum PI guy in his Hawaiians and then there is the big fat boys, who for the first 30 seconds the look like kicking off before the big mac and fries washed down by a shake kicks in and then it looks like two walrus’s on the discovery channel fighting on the beach. But there’s one or two decent bouts. Which make for a decent nights entertainment all round, I don’t think so.

Maybe if the tickets were a fiver it would be worth it, or if the ring extended its invitation to a new pool of fighters.

Does the top man ever fight? How about it John?

But you guys can continue to pat each other on the backs on your cosy little forum, I’ll try not to be the fly in the ointment.

loz

Duracel wrote:

The venue is overcrowded.

Not really - ROT4 almost everyone had a seat, bar was fairly fast etc

Duracel wrote:

And the punters are almost in the ring, making it difficult for the other paying folk to see.

Some people were standing at the ring - mainly kids though and they were moving when asked.

Duracel wrote:

The fighters are good for Ireland, but are there no fighters outside Ireland. Or would that only run the risk of taking a beating.

Pretty Sure Arni isn't irish.

Duracel wrote:

The magnum PI guy in his Hawaiians and then there is the big fat boys, who for the first 30 seconds the look like kicking off before the big mac and fries washed down by a shake kicks in and then it looks like two walrus’s on the discovery channel fighting on the beach.

Colm - im going to use the word "cock"

Duracel wrote:

But you guys can continue to pat each other on the backs on your cosy little forum, I’ll try not to be the fly in the ointment.

And what do you do ? - you an MAist ? - or someone who has no idea what they're actually watching ?

Millionaire

I am not a masisve fan of looking at MMA. nothing wrong with it, I admire the fighters. its a tough sport.

I think the amounts of MMA posts, reflects the popularity of MMA as a sport in Ireland. Back in my day it was kickboxing, that had the same buzz.

Alot of lads have moved into MMA, and newer kids in the 20s are mad into it.

Here is a bit of advice, from a chap that has run a few business!!!!

If you want to make money....get into promoting MMA fights in Ireland now!
Its hot property right now.

From what I see on here...the tickets sell out like hot cakes way in advance.
There is lads on looking to see can they get tickets before their even on sale.
and the last time, there were people on here begging for an extra ticket.

The ticket prices are high enough like 20 euro or something. so that with all this popularity of MMA, and demand....means there is huge bucks in running it. The lads cannot get enough of it!!! Give them more. Start running fight nights as a part-time business, and you'll do well!

Strike while the Iron is hot! (i won't charge for the advice either!!)

Miles Long

Millionaire wrote:

Alot of lads have moved into MMA, and newer kids in the 20s are mad into it.

Go Blue Team!!!!!

Millionaire wrote:

From what I see on here...the tickets sell out like hot cakes way in advance.
There is lads on looking to see can they get tickets before their even on sale. and the last time, there were people on here begging for an extra ticket.

It's an action re-action thing. Promotion begets attendences, and vice verse. Now all I need is the Don King hair...

Millionaire

I would have no problem having hair like Don King...if it meant earning his kinda money too!! LOL!!!

judomick

Durexcel,

Your either quite jealous of the popularity of MMA in this country or just have no idea what your talking about,

Poor quality ? isaksson vs loughrann was a non stop all out war, ass good if not better than any UFC fight, Roddy vs Murphy was the best MMA fight ive ever seen all shows included and i dont think im alone in this opinion

Isaksson is the cagewarriors title contender hardly small fish?

The last ROT was a little overcrowded which is why theres less tickets available this time! its called evolution (something that seems to have escaped you):p

Did i read that right your challenging JK?

anyways im guessing your someone whos known to all of the MMA crowd, you couldnt hack the training/competition and feel a little bitter about it, otherwise you would let everyone know who you are and stop hiding behind a silly screen name?

Dragan

Actually i'm not bothered, your not worth my time!!!!

Millionaire

Duracel wrote:

Does the top man ever fight? How about it John?

QUOTE]

I think John is the European BJJ champion.!

I would not fancy getting taken to the ground there now.

crazy monkey

Hi all,

As the man who was closest to the action in the ring [cameraman] I would like to say a couple of things since I had the best seat in the house....

One or two of the fights weren't AMAZING in my opinion but it was a great show!!!

Even in on boxing fight night you don't get a great fight every fight true?

But the last Rings showcased striking, it showcased clinched and it showcased grappling.

All three ranges of MMA.

Arni and Owen's fights were terrific and I personally can't wait until we have more fighters at that level. Obviously that will take time but naysaying is counter productive instead of criticising why not offer advice/opinion or at least be fairer in your criticism....

I think JK did a great job promoting it and he and MMA will only get better, improve and EVOLVE as JUDOMICK said.

Now Duracel did you throw a challenge to JK or was that just a negative comment on your behalf?

I hope I haven't offended ppl unlike some and would like to say GO MMA!!!

LAAngel

Duracel wrote:

But you guys can continue to pat each other on the backs on your cosy little forum, I’ll try not to be the fly in the ointment.

Whats the matter with alittle apprecation for what people are doing and to encourage them? I have to admit the reason I'm taking an interest in MMA is for two reasons - UFC and this forum. I like the fact that the sport is becoming big over here, along with other MA's too, it'll help fighters get recognised more in their fights.

Now I haven't been to a MMA fight yet, but I've been to ALOT of Kickboxing fights and I do agree that not all the fights are amazing, you always get 1 or 2 fights that don't blow you away (In any sport this happens). I've even been to a fight were the girl stood with her head in her hands until her coach threw in the towel, I personnally think the girl should not have been fighting as she wasn't ready but all dues to her for actually getting up there I've seen her since and she is improving.

Where is the ROT held? Although if I win the Lotto on Sat night I'll go over to Las Vegas to see UFC haha. I'd love to try MMA but theres no clubs where I live, and I'd be really afraid to get Cauliflower ears like the guys off UFC.:D

Roper

LAAngel,
Not all of us are cailiflowered you know! I grapple and I could quite easily be an ear model, if I put the work in and buffed them up a bit. Its a long road though and to be honest, I don't think I'd do nude ear modelling so I probably wouldn't make it.

Dragan

Roper wrote:

I don't think I'd do nude ear modelling so I probably wouldn't make it.

Look at your having loads of respect for yourself!!!!!

GET YOU KIT OFF!!!!:eek:

crazy monkey

Hi LA angel were are you living?SBG has affiliate clubs all around the country I am sure you would be able to find an mma club near you or at least in travelling distance...

Nice to meet more women with a little fighting on their mind...

LAAngel

Dragan wrote:

Look at your having loads of respect for yourself!!!!!

GET YOU KIT OFF!!!!:eek:

Haha. Roper, the only MMA fighters I've seen are the ones from UFC so that was the only thing I had to go on, although I'm sure you could be an ear model with all the curves inthe right places haha. I actually do a little modelling as well as being a dancer thats why I'd be afraid of the cauliflower ears.

Crazy Monkey live in Derry, I love fighting I stopped doing it for a while cause I had my daughter but missed it so much so back with avengence now haha. I like the fact our club is like a family not saying we're like the brady's or anything but like the fact that there is someone to help you out and encourage you, it was great when I came back felt as if I haddn't left apart from my timing being c**p and my strength being gone haha. I'd love to someday go pro but nowhere near that level.... YET haha!!:D

crazy monkey

Hi LA Angel,

First congrats on getting back training after birth of your daughter [CONGRATS on tht too by the way] some of my mates quit completely after their girlfriends had their bambinos....c'est la vie.....

In regards to training in your area I don't know if this is any help but hopefully it will be.....

In Galway there is mark leonard's club....point blank submissions.


In the North there is Antrim MMA, Progressive Combat and a few others, I can't name off hand but I am sure someone here has contact details for these and other clubs....

If worse come to the worse just start a new thread called Hey I'm a chick and wana do mma where do I go???? And hopefully the answers will be civil or at least funny......

Talk again Macho mammy ......[how sad a macho man randy savage parody, he's not even a Cclass Hulkster] ohhhhhhhhhhhhh YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

And good luck and have fun training

Sugar_Ray

Duracel wrote:

yes me thinks you are not a muppet, but the ring of truth is not worth going to see.

Pretty poor quality all round

Hate to disappoint you guys, but it's not far from the truth. They guys were tough, but to watch, and technically they weren't anything special. That's just an opinion from a fan of boxing, Muay thai and maybe even Judo.

Duracel

For a minute there I taught I was in a fashion accessory forum with all the handbags goin on

Valmont

Duracel wrote:

For a minute there I taught I was in a fashion accessory forum with all the handbags goin on

Now I'm lost


Before this kicks off, remember ol' walsh b? I think we all lost valuable T.V...I mean training time with that pointless thread.:D

ShaneT

Fair play, I was just wondering when the tickets would be about and haven't had a chance to come back since for the answer. I found it in there somewhere.... Cheers JK.

I do have a question though (fancy starting a bun fight - I'm bored)...

Why is it that a football fan can be a devoted SPECTATOR of the sport and can say, "That was a sh1te match" without being asked "Oh yeah? So you play football do you?"

Whereas...

A dedicated SPECTATOR of MMA cannot comment on the entertainment value and performance of a fight/match without being ripped to shreds for having never set foot in a ring?

I've never played at Wembley but I know a sh1te match when I see one and can still manage to call out poor plays...

I've never played a game of Rugby in my life but I know that Wales have been sh1te for quite some time now...

Cannot an avid spectator no be a sound judge of the quality displayed within a sport?

:rolleyes:

judomick

ShaneT wrote:

Cannot an avid spectator not be a sound judge of the quality displayed within a sport?

yes if he understands the sport but a majority of spectators in mma (UFC fans case in point think there watching savage cavemen fights or are boxing fans) like a gaa fan watching soccer, "why doesnt he pick it up" etc

anyone who has displayed a notion of understanding mma on this forum has agreed alot of the fights from the last ROT were awesome, some were ****e (this happens in all sports) and is not disputed but to generalise and put down all fights and fighters is just plain silly

if someone made a logical argument the fine it can be debated and the outcome is xyz no problem, but in most of the previous arguments the statements are hes **** at boxing , hes no cardio etc etc,

and anyone that knows a little about the sport would know that these are small important parts/flaws of a fighter but they will continue to grow and evolve, which is why MMa is where it is today

Sugar_Ray

I do not believe anybody is really an expert on MMA and to be honest it basically incorportaes all styles in a street fight type scenario with rules. You must beat your opponent by whatever means within the rules and the two most used weapoons are the hands and feet. Now anyone who has boxed, done Karate or Judo or wrestling or Muay Thai and showed real talent can definitely comment on MMA and its lack of skill or can also praise it. You do not have to be an expert, just be able to spot a good balanced fighter.

Some of you should lighten up. What I've seen of it so far, I was not impressed with the skill, technique (punches and kicks) (SPEED, POWER AND ACCURACY) or the wrestling/grappling and the stamina though decent, it was a lot on survival mode.

judomick

Sugar_Ray wrote:

What I've seen of it so far, I was not impressed with the skill, technique (punches and kicks) (SPEED, POWER AND ACCURACY) or the wrestling/grappling and the stamina though decent, it was a lot on survival mode.

Just dont go so, i enjoyed it was impressed in some matches by the grappling, isaksson vs loughran, your right terrible striking:rolleyes:


Quick observation i think it quite humurous that anytime theres silly arguments put against various ma's its allways someone with 2 or 3 posts who never says where there from what they train etc

TwoKingMick

Guys chill out a bit! This is one of the things everyone has to put up with if they try and make it as an athlete, professional or amature. Once you decide to put yourself in the public eye to be judged on your skills, you have to be prepared to be told you suck every once in a while. Just because these guys arguements aren't very well tought out or presented doesn't mean they have no right to make comments as members of the paying public. Look at professional footballers, they're at the top of their game, and making millions and they're still critised by couch jockeys.Do you think they care?

Sugar_Ray

judomick wrote:

Just dont go so, i enjoyed it was impressed in some matches by the grappling, isaksson vs loughran, your right terrible striking:rolleyes:


Quick observation i think it quite humurous that anytime theres silly arguments put against various ma's its allways someone with 2 or 3 posts who never says where there from what they train etc

Why the sour grapes. So you were impressed, good for you. I guess we just happen to view the standard differently. I honestly thought it lacked quality fighters. Brave fighters and tough, but not all that impressive on a skill level.

Roper

Just so long as we're throwing handbags around I also think Welsh rugby is sh1te:D:D

judomick

Sugar_Ray wrote:

Why the sour grapes. So you were impressed, good for you. I guess we just happen to view the standard differently. I honestly thought it lacked quality fighters. Brave fighters and tough, but not all that impressive on a skill level.

this what issue is if someone says "the fights were boring, crap, didnt enjoy the show etc" no problem with that whatsoever but when someone voices an opinion on the quality of fighters and their skill levels, what qualifies them to speak about it? duracel sugar ray whats your background?

lets not forget this is ireland not japan were still evolving, anyone looking for a pride show should go to japan

Millionaire

I have said a few times I am not a massive MMA fan, though certainly I really admire the lads training for it. hard training for anything must be respected.

This thread got me thinking why say watching MMA does not crank it up for me, as it does of alot of the lads on here.?

I think perhaps cause I am not very experience in the ground range myself, and would not have an appreciation of the techniques and counters etc...that its a bit lost on me.

I was wondering this...and perhaps some of the lads can answer this.

In an MMA fight...where there is serious risk of a take down... do fighters be more cautious in the striking range, and more mindful of mixing it up...in case they get taken down???

For example Shane T posted a fight, vidChris Smit a Karate knock down figther, fighting a Thai in Muay Thai rules...and Smit just milled the guy...a total non stop onslaught of punches... now I was thinking if I sparred an MMA guy and tried such an onslaught...I project I would get take down fast (assuming I did not KO the opponent..which could be a factor too).

Do you see my point asking would MMA fighter be more cautious in striking range, than say someone fighting boxing or say Thai where there is no takedowns?

I find striking range combat sport for me persoanlly a bit more exciting... though I do think the first few UFCs were real exciting, when you had different "styles" fighting, as opposed to now where fighter have developed, and can be effective in all ranges. I do watch a bit of UFC on TV each week, and am growing to appreciate it a little more...perhaps in time I will become a raving fan too!!

Sugar_Ray

judomick wrote:

this what issue is if someone says "the fights were boring, crap, didnt enjoy the show etc" no problem with that whatsoever but when someone voices an opinion on the quality of fighters and their skill levels, what qualifies them to speak about it? duracel sugar ray whats your background?

lets not forget this is ireland not japan were still evolving, anyone looking for a pride show should go to japan

Well I thought my username would have been a slight giveaway. Anyway Boxing would be my backround and I noticed several boxers present at the last ROT. I actually spoke with a few and they agreed that the strike levels and delivery of basic punching was quite poor. Now I'm not saying I am an expert in the art of kicking, but I do know a decent kick when I see one and I thought the lads needed vast improvement there. As for the grappling or Judo skills, I'll refrain from comment on that. As for the balance, coordination, defense (or lack of), footwork and reccuperative (stamina) levels, I think big improvements needed. But so what, I'm sure they are constantly in training to be faster, stronger, cuter, and overall fitter and more balanced. So good luck to them.

Sugar_Ray

Roper wrote:

Just so long as we're throwing handbags around I also think Welsh rugby is sh1te:D:D

Agreed, and sore losers!!!

Clive

Millionaire wrote:

In an MMA fight...where there is serious risk of a take down... do fighters be more cautious in the striking range, and more mindful of mixing it up...in case they get taken down???
...
Do you see my point asking would MMA fighter be more cautious in striking range, than say someone fighting boxing or say Thai where there is no takedowns?

Absolutely - the danger of getting taken down, longer rounds and smaller gloves often make people more cautious standing.

Duracel

My background is that I have been to enough shows to know that I wont be going to another.

I am in full agreement with Sugar Ray. There is a clear lack of other complementary abilities within the ROT. Although you can see that some fighters have different backgrounds.

Judomick, if you dont want opinions that differ from yours then dont put yourself about on an open forum.

Start a new thread "only agree with judomick"

What sugar ray said was very relevant and has merit to you and your MMA mates.

If you wernt so busy trying to shout him down you could actually learn something.

Speaking of things escaping me, right now its your I.Q

Sugar_Ray

Not trying to wade in or cause an arguement, but Duracel the problem seems to be that some of these MMA guys just refuse to hear a negative comment about themselves and that is what puzzles me. I thought the lads showed heart and courage and a good level of fitness, but after that it lacked depth and all the other things I mentioned. You point this out and suddenly you are their enemy. Cop on!!!. How does anyone expect to improve if they refuse to take on board constructive and legitimate criticisms from people who were or are involved in forms of combat sport.

If I were an MMA enthusiast and combatant and a boxer approached me and told me to do this and that and try this and that, I'd be damn Chuffed, knowing that it may have improved my skills. If a Judo guy or wrestler did the same, again I'd be chuffed and so on.

I think the MMA fighters are going to have to admit they are not masters of one single art and concentrate on bettering themselves in all areas, not necessarily Olympic level, but just the basic things like footwork, speed, delivery of shots and defense. Stamina will always improve with hard training.

Clive

I think "MMA people" must be the most cohesive social grouping on the planet - it seems we're all always of one mind!

Within three pages we've already got to "MMA guys", "MMA fighters are going to have to admit" and "you and your MMA mates" - despite the fact that most of the people who train/fight/watch MMA on this thread have respected your opinion, even if they disagree with it.

TapouT

I can't believe the amount of attention given to this thread, 'nor can I believe it hasn't been locked yet!.

Its gone soo way off topic its not even a joke anylonger.

Duracel

TapouT wrote:

I can't believe the amount of attention given to this thread, 'nor can I believe it hasn't been locked yet!.

Its gone soo way off topic its not even a joke anylonger.

Again when the thread starts to make some progress with constructive critism some intelegent person from the MMA world talks about heving the thread shut down for going off course.

News Flash,

Debate starts from a set point and goes somewhere, so when we are beginning to get somewhere, where is the point in stopping discussion.

Remember the Dodo figured that flying was overrated.....................I rest my case

Drummo

Sugar_Ray wrote:

As for the balance, coordination, defense (or lack of), footwork and reccuperative (stamina) levels, I think big improvements needed. But so what, I'm sure they are constantly in training to be faster, stronger, cuter, and overall fitter and more balanced. So good luck to them.

I thinks that's perfectly fair!

I for one know I've an infinite amount of improvement to go through!!!

TapouT

Duracel wrote:

Again when the thread starts to make some progress with constructive critism some intelegent person from the MMA world talks about heving the thread shut down for going off course.
News Flash,

Debate starts from a set point and goes somewhere, so when we are beginning to get somewhere, where is the point in stopping discussion.

Remember the Dodo figured that flying was overrated.....................I rest my case

I'm not from the MMA world as you put it. The thread is rediculous now and IMHO it should be closed. But I guess this is 'boards.ie'

ShaneT

Roper wrote:

Just so long as we're throwing handbags around I also think Welsh rugby is sh1te:D:D

Sugar_Ray wrote:

Agreed, and sore losers!!!

I think we're getting a little carried away there I'm afraid. If that were the case, why would I (a welshman) write that the current standard of welsh rugby is sh1te? :rolleyes:

Millionaire wrote:

For example Shane T posted a fight, vidChris Smit a Karate knock down figther, fighting a Thai in Muay Thai rules...and Smit just milled the guy...a total non stop onslaught of punches... now I was thinking if I sparred an MMA guy and tried such an onslaught...I project I would get take down fast (assuming I did not KO the opponent..which could be a factor too).

Hey Gerry. It was Peter Smit. Point well made though.

-ShaneT

judomick

Duracel wrote:

My background is that I have been to enough shows to know that I wont be going to another.

I am in full agreement with Sugar Ray. There is a clear lack of other complementary abilities within the ROT. Although you can see that some fighters have different backgrounds.

Judomick, if you dont want opinions that differ from yours then dont put yourself about on an open forum.

Start a new thread "only agree with judomick"

What sugar ray said was very relevant and has merit to you and your MMA mates.

If you wernt so busy trying to shout him down you could actually learn something.

Speaking of things escaping me, right now its your I.Q

if you dont go to a show thats fine your choice

people differing in opinion to me is perfectly normal no problem there

what sugar ray said was in post #30 "i was not impressed with the skill technique or wrestling/grappling"

post #33 "not all that impressive on a skill level"


and then said post#37 "As for the grappling or Judo skills, I'll refrain from comment on that"

point is he already did and this is my argument

if someone says yeah the boxing was **** well if i had a intricate knowledge of boxing then maybe i could comment in depth

as sugar ray did footwork timing etc

but

saying the grappling technically was **** is just slagging off someone, hes already admitted he shouldnt comment when he already did, but never said whyb the grappling wasnt impressive or lacked skill?

the only reason my I.Q escapes you is because its on a another level far beyond yours;)

Duracel

judomick wrote:

the only reason my I.Q escapes you is because its on a another level far beyond yours;)

That told me.


Correct me if I am wrong here, but according to you, the only people who can comment negatively about MMA are people who participate in MMA.

It is a pity that you have not contributed to this thread in a positive fashion, maybe you have and my lesser IQ has prevented me from seeing it.

Sugar Ray has politely pointed out some clear deficiencies in the abilities of some fighters, and was even good enough to offer you his opinion.

All you have done is try to quote him out of context, in fact you have said that if people are not happy then they shouldn’t go. (I take it you are not selling tickets).

You say that MMA is evolving, I am sure this is so, but only with people who agree with judomick.

judomick

Duracel wrote:

That told me.


Correct me if I am wrong here, but according to you, the only people who can comment negatively about MMA are people who participate in MMA.

It is a pity that you have not contributed to this thread in a positive fashion, maybe you have and my lesser IQ has prevented me from seeing it.

Sugar Ray has politely pointed out some clear deficiencies in the abilities of some fighters, and was even good enough to offer you his opinion.

All you have done is try to quote him out of context, in fact you have said that if people are not happy then they shouldn’t go. (I take it you are not selling tickets).

You say that MMA is evolving, I am sure this is so, but only with people who agree with judomick.

people can comment all they want about MMA as long as there arguments are intelligent, theres a difference between constructive criticism and slagging.

where did i quote him out of context?

he has made arguments on footwork etc, im not a striker so cannot comment! he did comment on the grappling but never said why it lacked skill or technical proficiency, just said it was basically crap and then admitted he couldnt comment on it,

MMA evolves regardless of what i say.

anyone can criticise MMA or ROT, UFC or pride but if they lay down arguments such as its **** theres no skill etc, people who can see there is skill there will question them about it( as i have done) however if someone says there was a lack of footwork and good offensive use of jabs etc thats an intelligent argument, do you see the difference?

judomick

Elytron, ive asked JK for a fight so depending on an opponent....

ROT wouldnt be the same without Clive