Your a chemical soup

ronbyrne2005

Was shocked to read that the vast majority of people have HUNDREDS of man made chemicals much of which are toxic and carcinogenic in their bodies. Some of these chemicals accumulate in your body and arent broken down. Many are saying this is the reason cancer is so common these days relative to a century ago. Everything from toothpaste to tinned food to wild fish to plastic babies bottles to deoderant contain these chemicals many of which arent understood well,they are in your system toghether and interact like a chemical soup. A study has show a strong correlation between using deoderant and breast cancer. Im horrified that our planet and bodies are subject to all this crap which by law doesnt have to be tested if it was discovered before 1980! Who knows what damage the 70,000 man made chemicals in existence are doing to you and your family and friends.
http://www.euractiv.com/en/environment/chemicals-new-blood-tests-add-pressure-ahead-reach-verdict/article-145556
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3235102.stm
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=45&si=1520612&issue_id=13372&printer=1

For a hypocondriac like me this has me quite worried.

Winters

So... ?

monkeyfudge

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

A study has show a strong correlation between using deoderant and breast cancer.

Well nobody likes to have smelly boobs.

I'd also suggest that a reason for an increase in cancer over a 100 years ago is that people are living longer now, far beyond what we'd be naturally used to.

Kernel

What Ron is saying is right, we are poisoning our bodies and environment with ****e pumped out by greedy corporations.

Remember when leaded petrol seemed like a good idea, or asbestos was a great invention? I wonder how future generations will react when they read about the stuff we ingest on a daily basis.

Riamfada

TBH ive known that since i was 10 *not bragging or nothing but old news IMO


edit: now where did i puts me smokes

mukki

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

Was shocked to read that the vast majority of people have HUNDREDS of man made chemicals much of which are toxic and carcinogenic in their bodies. Some of these chemicals accumulate in your body and arent broken down. Many are saying this is the reason cancer is so common these days relative to a century ago. Everything from toothpaste to tinned food to wild fish to plastic babies bottles to deoderant contain these chemicals many of which arent understood well,they are in your system toghether and interact like a chemical soup. A study has show a strong correlation between using deoderant and breast cancer. Im horrified that our planet and bodies are subject to all this crap which by law doesnt have to be tested if it was discovered before 1980! Who knows what damage the 70,000 man made chemicals in existence are doing to you and your family and friends.
http://www.euractiv.com/en/environment/chemicals-new-blood-tests-add-pressure-ahead-reach-verdict/article-145556
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3235102.stm
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=45&si=1520612&issue_id=13372&printer=1

For a hypocondriac like me this has me quite worried.

Dam it!

FAG wrote:

What Ron is saying is right, we are poisoning our bodies and environment with ****e pumped out by greedy corporations.

yeah and they drive around in their corporate cars wearing their corporate clothes, doing things corporatey

Pink Bunny

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

A study has show a strong correlation between using deoderant and breast cancer.
For a hypocondriac like me this has me quite worried.

While I agree with you in the spirit of your post, I couldn't find anything backing up the breast cancer connection claim in the links you provided so I did a search myself and found this:

http://www.breastcancer.org/research_deodorant.html

I guess it depends on the study.

Did you know that some foods are actually best avoided for breast cancer risks? I was just at a surgical oncologist specialising in breast cancer last week (had a bit of a scare-turns out to be nothing thankfully) but was given a list of foods to avoid: chocolate, bananas, nuts, and wine. So there are risks even in healthy foods. Scary stuff

Adam

You can link anything to cancer tbh!! Fu*k it, breathing causes cancer! Lets all stop doing that! :rolleyes:

John

Worrying about cancer gives you cancer.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

being a sinner gets you cancer

The Song Thrush

You're a chemical soup.

You are = You're

monkeyfudge

The Song Thrush wrote:

You're a chemical soup.

You are = You're

Apostrophes give you cancer!

John

When that happens it's called catapostrophe

J.R.HARTLEY

**** it lads, your body is what grows cancer, take it from me i know, i'm practically farming it at this rate, problem is it's a short term career and i'm pretty much ****ed now. but if you wrap yourselves in cotton wool and hope it'll all go awy you're dreaming, sure smokin's bad and you shouldn't do it, but if you cut back to one or two packs a week you're in no danger, drinking in moderation is god (freudian slip) for you.
**** i never smoked and i have lung cancer.
You're Damned if you do and You're Damned if you don't.
and when you clear out the toxins and convert the house to solar power and sell your car and feel better about yourself and one day you go out to buy some new hemp trousers and BLAM you're hit by a bus, you'll say ****! Colin Farrell was right.

Winters

I'm a chemical soup and so is my wife.

simu

I like chemical broth.

derek27

i'm actually a toxicologist myself. it was an eye-opener for me while studying toxicology to realise just how much under insult we put our bodies on a continual basis without being aware of it (and inddeed sometimes being fully aware of it). the industrial revolution and agricultural practices/chemicals that were used over the last 100 yrs or so have resulted in consierable accumulation of xenobiotics in our environment. and with transport of these xenobiotics either through geological/natural processes or through the activities of human beings a huge majority of them have found their way into our immediate surroundings. however, a cornerstone principle of toxicology as put forward by paracelsus is that everything is toxic if taken in an adequate dose... and many of the xenobiotics we are commonly exposed to are at non-toxic doses. but there is the problem of bioaccumulation... many of these xenobiotics are lipophilic agents and when the body is repeatedly exposed to non-toxic doses over a prolonged period of time, successive doses may be compartmentalised into the fat depots of the body... or indeed in the food chain. i wouldn't be one to recommend that dieters try to use the most rapid weight loss program forthis reason... the faster you lose weight, the greater the level of xenobiotics released from adipose tissue depots into the circulation, thus the more likely it would be that a toxic dose may be amounted.keep in mind that agencies exist such as the EPA and WHO that tightly regulate acceptible levels of chemicals in effluents and monitor air quality etc in our cities all the time and that there is a constant push to move towards the use non-toxic agents to replace commonly used toxic ones.

cancer... for those of you interested in how cancer might be induced by chemical agents its worth googling the 'somatic cell mutation theory' and 'chemical carcinogenesis'... there is no doubt that chemical agents can be responsible for induction of cancer. but again... how are we supposed to avoid exposure to these agents when they can be formed in our own bodies via natural processes. here's something for you to consider also... maybe google for more info on this... we apply sunscreens all over our bodies to protect us from UV light which we believe can cause cancer ok... did you know that 4-MBC (an ingredient of many sunscreens) and other sunscreen constituents are also used in the chemical engineering sector ... they addd a small amount of 4-MBC to a reaction mixture and then pulse the mixture with UV light which causes 4-MBC to dissociate into highly reactive intermediates which provides energy to get the desired reaction going. same reactive intermediates also can attack the nucleophilic centres in our DNA leading to DNA lesions that could be the starting point for the development of a preneoplastic state. which is safer? this particular argument about sunscreens and cancer has many avenues of discussion such as people feel protected so stay in the sun longer etc... but the fact is, the incidence of malignant melanoma has increased very significantly with the use of sunscreens, and the products are really only being tested for carcinogenicity in recent studies. f**k this i could be goin on all night... good luck

Adam

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

**** it lads, your body is what grows cancer, take it from me i know, i'm practically farming it at this rate, problem is it's a short term career and i'm pretty much ****ed now. but if you wrap yourselves in cotton wool and hope it'll all go awy you're dreaming, sure smokin's bad and you shouldn't do it, but if you cut back to one or two packs a week you're in no danger, drinking in moderation is god (freudian slip) for you.
**** i never smoked and i have lung cancer.
You're Damned if you do and You're Damned if you don't.
and when you clear out the toxins and convert the house to solar power and sell your car and feel better about yourself and one day you go out to buy some new hemp trousers and BLAM you're hit by a bus, you'll say ****! Colin Farrell was right.

You sir, are a legend! My sentiments entirely!

Black Swan

A friend of mine back at school had nailed a Twinkie to his wall to see how long it would last because of the preservatives in it. It lasted a long time, before his parents finally made him take it down. He had read someplace that, because he ate so many of them, his stomach would be preserved long after his death.:rolleyes:

bushy...

Kernel wrote:

Remember when leaded petrol seemed like a good idea,.....

Leaded petrol is a bit better than the nasty crap that replaces the lead in unleaded,benzene n what not.

Funsterdelux

Ah, well gone are the days when all people ate was a nabful of spuds, cabbage, and a bit of meat if they were lucky and not to mention f**k all pollution in the air, fair enough the industrial revolution, but at least that was good honest coal fumes.

OMcGovern

Computer monitors cause eye cancer, and skin failure.... so take a 10 min coffee break every 30 mins at work.

fly_agaric

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

Many are saying this is the reason cancer is so common these days relative to a century ago.

The good old early 1900's! What was the life expectancy in Ireland back then I wonder...

Dustaz

Lies.

Everyone knows that since the smoking ban noone gets cancer anymore.

ronbyrne2005

The Song Thrush wrote:

You're a chemical soup.

You are = You're

Your annoyingly pedantic.

ronbyrne2005

monkeyfudge wrote:

Well nobody likes to have smelly boobs.

I'd also suggest that a reason for an increase in cancer over a 100 years ago is that people are living longer now, far beyond what we'd be naturally used to.

actually if you read the links you'd see its not just old age cancers but cancer in all age groups including childhood cancers etc.

All you cycnics out there ,i'd love to see you if you found out you or you parents or kids were contaminated with a particularly bad chemical.They are testing babies in Harvard medical centre and finding dozens of these potentially lethal chemicals in babies as soon as they are born!

Naked Lepper

non smokers die every day. hope you sleep tight.

Piste

OMcGovern wrote:

Computer monitors cause eye cancer, and skin failure.... so take a 10 min coffee break every 30 mins at work.

Skin Failure? How does one's skin "fail"? Afaik, it's just CRT Monitors that give out radiation (damn I have a CRT monitor...) but most people now use LCD screens so they're safe.

Sarky

Piste wrote:

Skin Failure? How does one's skin "fail"?

He is thinking of Bonus Eruptus, ees a terrible condition in which the skeleton attempts to leap out of the mouth and escape the body.

[/Dr.Nick]

ThrownAway

I'm obessed with this sort of stuff. I try to avoid processed foods. There's new studies showing that acrylamide found in it causes cancer.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/24/health/main513208.shtml

I don't eat fried foods anyway but new studies are worrying. Think back to when the public were unaware that smoking causes cancer. There was a point when they were new studies.
Non- smokers die everyday is a pretty obvious statement, Naked Lepper. Non-smokers have a reduced risk of dying from heart disease and lung cancer.

It's hilarious when smokers try to justify what they're doing to themselves when they have no arguement.

It's impossible to avoid everything scientists propose that cause cancer but I can't stand the ignorant human beings that go around saying stuff like ''everything causes cancer these days''. That just shows a clear lack of knowledge on the subject.

Here's an helpful article if you're trying to avoid cancer causing food/products.
http://www.newstarget.com/002079.html

Another thing that concerns me even more [even though slightly off topic] are invisable EM fields which are everywhere, some places more concentrated than others. They not only effect your health but your mind and perception too. Did anyone ever read ''Electric UFOs''? The book examines the exposure of electromagnetic pollution and its effect on our health. I didn't get around to reading it all but there's some intresting stories about people dying from cancer in EM hotspots near power lines and RF transmitters.

emeraldstar

OP - Totally. What did you think, that all our man-made unnatural materials and products would have no effect on us or on the environment? THEY'RE NOT NATURAL!! In fairness by nature shouldn't we be living like cavemen? - that's the natural way...our modern advancements don't fit into the natural scheme of things.

JC 2K3

emeraldstar wrote:

our modern advancements don't fit into the natural scheme of things.

Ever heard of evolution? :rolleyes:

emeraldstar

JC 2K3 wrote:

Ever heard of evolution? :rolleyes:

yea sure, that is the actual term for it, however, perhaps the by-product of it is that we're paying for it with such modern issues as the majorly-increased incidences of cancer, etc etc. Whoever said we were supposed to advance to where we are, instead of staying living caveman-style??

Kernel

mukki wrote:

yeah and they drive around in their corporate cars wearing their corporate clothes, doing things corporatey

My name isn't FAG, sorry to disappoint you. Anyway, come back when you have something intelligent to add kid. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Goodshape

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

Your annoyingly pedantic.

no, my annoyingly pedantic. All mine.

constitutionus

actually im more worried about the phytalates. theyre in practically everything frome tin cans to dental amalgams and act like synthetic oestrogens. yes lads they give you boobs . ok they dont, but they do lowere testosterone levels increase congential abnormalities in th reproductive areas and basically stop blokes becomming blokes in the womb. theres no avoiding the feckers and i wouldnt be surprised if they were responsible for the increasing population of women these days. us blokes are on the way out

(which of course in a world increasingly overpopulated by women would be a terrible terrible thing )

Faith

Goodshape wrote:

no, my annoyingly pedantic. All mine.

Everything gives you cancer these days.

The good news is massive leaps are being made on a regular basis to find cures for cancer. The recovery rate is pretty damn high - something like 75% for breast cancer found early on. In about 30 years, you can be sure that there'll be some cure for cancer and its rate of fatality will fall to almost nil.

Stop worrying about things like that. Like someone else said, you could just as easily get hit by a bus in the morning as get cancer from eating fried foods in 40 years.

Kernel

constitutionus wrote:

actually im more worried about the phytalates. theyre in practically everything frome tin cans to dental amalgams and act like synthetic oestrogens. yes lads they give you boobs . ok they dont, but they do lowere testosterone levels increase congential abnormalities in th reproductive areas and basically stop blokes becomming blokes in the womb.

Drinking Fosters and watching football can replenish the testosterone levels though.

constitutionus

phytalates may wipe out mankind but they do make girls boobs bigger too so their not all bad

ThrownAway

ThrownAway wrote:

It's impossible to avoid everything scientists propose that cause cancer but I can't stand the ignorant human beings that go around saying stuff like ''everything causes cancer these days''. That just shows a clear lack of knowledge on the subject.

Faith wrote:

Everything gives you cancer these days.

:rolleyes:

DonegalMan

Kernel wrote:

we are poisoning our bodies and environment with ****e pumped out by greedy corporations.

And the reason they do it is that's what consumers buy.

How may housewives today will buy a bunch of mishapen - but fresh - carrots with the clay still stuck to them? They all want the prewashed, standard-sized prepacks with never a thought about all the additives that have gone into making them look a nice colour and extend their shelf life.
.

Kernel

DonegalMan wrote:

And the reason they do it is that's what consumers buy.

How may housewives today will buy a bunch of mishapen - but fresh - carrots with the clay still stuck to them? They all want the prewashed, standard-sized prepacks with never a thought about all the additives that have gone into making them look a nice colour and extend their shelf life.
.

Agreed. However, corporations push the envelope with the ever increasing lust for profit. They wouldn't be happy producing huge amounts of free range chickens and earning 90% profit... oh no, they're rather pump them with chemicals and battery farm them for 92% profit. When the profits don't increase the next year they'll genetically modify them and get 94% profit on yield. *

* Analogy.

derek27

Kernel wrote:

Drinking Fosters and watching football can replenish the testosterone levels though.

hahahahhahahaha best post in this thread

Kastro

well to be honest im a little pissed off myself..
ive bin smoking since i was 7 and since then ive bin only off them for about a year in total. im 21 atm.. i pissed off because ive put so much into it.. so much money.. time, effort etc...
i was told that smoking causes heart disease etc.
where the **** is mine..
they just keep taking me money and what do i get in return.
nothing!
waste of fuppin time.

fly_agaric

EDIT: must read more carefully in future to avoid stupid mistakes...

constitutionus wrote:

i wouldnt be surprised if they were responsible for the increasing population of women these days. us blokes are on the way out

(which of course in a world increasingly overpopulated by women would be a terrible terrible thing )

Is this true (more female than male babies being born)?

AFAIR, more male babies are born than female babies (by a small margin) but the relatively large die-off rate of boys and men cf girls and women means that human populations usually have a percent or more excess of females over males.

However, China and India have are going in the opposite direction (number of men > number of women) due to a combo of social enginering by govt. (China) and traditions (India and China).

Peteee

emeraldstar wrote:

OP - Totally. What did you think, that all our man-made unnatural materials and products would have no effect on us or on the environment? THEY'RE NOT NATURAL!! In fairness by nature shouldn't we be living like cavemen? - that's the natural way...our modern advancements don't fit into the natural scheme of things.

Get off the internet then! The internet isn't natural!

As for addidtves and stuff, who here would eat something with the following chemical makeup:

Calcium, Iron, Manesium, Phosphorus, Potassium, Sodium, Zinc, Copper, Mananese, Selenium, Vitamin C, ascorbic acid, Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pantothenic acid, Vitamin B, Folate, Folic acid, Folate, Vitamin B , Vitamin A, Retinol,Vitamin A, Vitamin E, Tocopherol, Cholesterol, Phytosterols ,
Tryptophan, Threonine. Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine,Methionine, Cystine, Phenylalanine, Tyrosine, Valine, Arinine, Histidine, Alanine, Aspartic acid, lutamic acid, lycine, Proline, Serine, Caffeine, Theobromine

Full of nasty chemicals and acids and what not huh....might give you cancer or something!

It's an apple!

Kernel

Peteee wrote:

Calcium, Iron, Manesium, Phosphorus, Potassium, Sodium, Zinc, Copper, Mananese, Selenium, Vitamin C, ascorbic acid, Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pantothenic acid, Vitamin B, Folate, Folic acid, Folate, Vitamin B , Vitamin A, Retinol,Vitamin A, Vitamin E, Tocopherol, Cholesterol, Phytosterols ,
Tryptophan, Threonine. Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine,Methionine, Cystine, Phenylalanine, Tyrosine, Valine, Arinine, Histidine, Alanine, Aspartic acid, lutamic acid, lycine, Proline, Serine, Caffeine, Theobromine

Full of nasty chemicals and acids and what not huh....might give you cancer or something!

It's an apple!

Yeah but most of those vitamins/minerals/amino acids are essential for the human body to maintain itself. I think the OP is referring more to food additives.

emeraldstar

Peteee wrote:

Get off the internet then! The internet isn't natural!

lol no way!! im addicted. Im not saying I dont like all our modern conveniences and technologies, I'm just saying there may be a price to pay for it, that's all.
I love the internet, computers, tv, mobile phones, etc and no way would I opt for life without em!!

By the way, i also love apples

ronbyrne2005

Theres safe fully tested substitutes for most of the dangerous synthetic chemcials but the corporations dont want the expense of implementing the safer chemcials,im not anti unnatural things per se or synthetic chemcials per se,im against neurotoxic and carcinogenic chemcials that dont have to be in our environment/bodies/products ,im against them because they bioaccumulate due to long half lives etc and are stored in and do damage to our bodies/minds(who's to say these chemcials arent causing suicides and depression etc). an eu study actually showed stronger regulation of checmicals would benefit the eu economy despite costs of changing the chemicals used in products,the savings come from less people having ill health from chemicals and other savings.
But all the cynics out there dont worry about your family friends and kids getting sick as "they could be hit by a bus tomorrow" or " everything causes cancer" so you cant blame the chemical company as "everything" causes your kids cancer.

Sam Vimes

bushy... wrote:

Leaded petrol is a bit better than the nasty crap that replaces the lead in unleaded,benzene n what not.

they don't put benzene in petrol anymore