Boob Job

MW

Just wondering if any of you have had a boob job. I have more or less decided to get one early next year, I would just like any helpful advice that you may have. Also any recommendations on where to get it done, i.e. Irish clinics and locations. I would like to know any horror stories also please, I can take it. Oh and cost too, does it depend on the size you want??

daRobot

Obviously being a man, I've not had any implants done, but here's my advice to you.

Firstly, stay away from "Clinics", it's poor medical ethics to advertise and you wont get a high standard of surgeon there, regardless of what they tell you.Get a recommendation through your local gp.

Having a good surgeon makes all the difference:

Take a look at this page and click on the before and after pictures section.Look at the before and after pictures of Dr John Shamoun.Quality work.


http://www.smartplasticsurgery.com/breastimplants.html

The states is the best place in the world for breast implants, due to the sheer number of them that they do.With flights being so cheap, maybe you should consider a week off work and flying over to get it done.


This natural look is what you should be aiming for, so hopefully your surgeons portfollio will be similar.If they don't have one, obviously don't bother with them.

Breast of luck

MW

Thanks for the help. The thing is I have considered going abroad but it was aftercare I was worried about. Like it's easier to jump in the car and go to Cork if something goes wrong than it is to fly to the states. Like aren't there monthly check-ups after the surgery. What I might just do is write up all the questions that I have and go for the free consultation. No harm in that. Cheers again.

layke

Perhaps reseaching some places in the UK might be of benefit? A little bit closer then the US and probably have a lot better surgeons then here.

fabcat

This weeks Now magazine has a special feature on plastic surgery, if you want to take a look

Miss Fluff

I know someone who used to work as a nurse here. Have a good reputation by all accounts http://www.advancedcosmeticsurgery.ie

jdivision

Miss Fluff wrote:

I know someone who used to work as a nurse here. Have a good reputation by all accounts http://www.advancedcosmeticsurgery.ie

That woman who had that failed liposuction operation that left her with lumps etc and was in the papers recently used them.

chump

Get it done in Ireland would be my advice. Close to family friends and more familiar with surroundings and area.

Also remember bigger IS better. Go as big as your frame will allow. Not ridiculous now, but a good honest size.

Also while daRobot suggests that you should stay away from clinics he doesn't back up this point with any facts. It is only an assumption.

I'd imagine that a lot of the surgeons in these clinics who specialise in breast enlargement and augmentation tick all the right boxes. I'd suggest you read up on people's experiences

Check out some opinions from the girls on iVenus, justa quick search reveals...
http://www.ivenus.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000219.html
http://www.ivenus.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000995.html
http://www.ivenus.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/001379.html
http://www.ivenus.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/001805.html

daRobot

chump wrote:

Also remember bigger IS better. Go as big as your frame will allow. Not ridiculous now, but a good honest size.

Also while daRobot suggests that you should stay away from clinics he doesn't back up this point with any facts. It is only an assumption.

It's not an assumption at all.

Ethics are vital to good medical practice, and like I stated before, good doctors wont be be working in these clinics.Why?

Here's why:

Firstly, these clinics advertise yet they are generally cheaper than a private practice who doesn't advertise.Where do you think the profit margin is made?

It's made by having cheaper and less experienced surgeons employed, as they don't have the necessary skills or experience to set up their own private practice and charge premium rates.This is not to say that they are incompetent surgeons, but will not be of the same standard of what you will find operating privately.

Essentially you'll be getting someone who is doing this job as a stepping stone to getting into private practice (Where the money is).

Free consultation would also immediately set off alarm bells.

Your GP is the person to talk to about all of this by the way.He will refer you to someone competent, because his reputation depends on it.

chump

Nonsense...

You're using flawed logic with no proof to back up what you're saying.
A clinic that specialises in breat augmentation surgery and carries out vast amounts of these surgeries benefits from the economics of scale.

Cosmetic surgery as advertised by these clinics isn't like other surgery, it's more of a commodity. We've entered a new age where people opt for unnessary surgery to massage their vanity. These are catered for by these new clinics that try to sell sell sell.

You can argue it's unethical all you want - to promote unneeded surgery, and you'll have a strong argument, but to suggest things that are unethical go hand-in-hand with incompetence is absurd.

Miss Fluff

jdivision wrote:

That woman who had that failed liposuction operation that left her with lumps etc and was in the papers recently used them.

Crikey!!! Seriously???? D.I.S.R.E.G.A.R.D. my last (very useful - ahem)post please :eek:

Narcissus

chump wrote:

Also remember bigger IS better. Go as big as your frame will allow. Not ridiculous now, but a good honest size.

Bigger isn't better, you should go with what you're comfortable with.

From a guy's perspective, I think that smaller natural breasts are more attractive than larger fake ones. I'm against cosmetic surgery though (unless it's for reconstructive purposes), so my opinion is biased.

Regarding horror stories, I've read some stories about silicone/saline implants leaking and causing major problems/poisoning, but I don't know the percentages or likelihoods of those risks.

daRobot

chump wrote:

Nonsense...

You're using flawed logic with no proof to back up what you're saying.
A clinic that specialises in breat augmentation surgery and carries out vast amounts of these surgeries benefits from the economics of scale.

They don't specialise, they're a jack of all trades, master of none.

My last word on this would be: In any case like this (Cosmetic surgery) go to your gp, and see where they advise you to go.I'll bet any amount that they will recommend that you DONT go to a clinic.Nuff said.

Mezcita

daRobot wrote:

They don't specialise, they're a jack of all trades, master of none.

My last word on this would be: In any case like this (Cosmetic surgery) go to your gp, and see where they advise you to go.I'll bet any amount that they will recommend that you DONT go to a clinic.Nuff said.

Ever hear of the Blackrock Clinic? Beacon Clinic?

daRobot

Mezcita wrote:

Ever hear of the Blackrock Clinic? Beacon Clinic?

Read back the posts there, it's not established clinics like this that are being discussed.They're hospitals (Private ones), and thats why they're called clinics.

*Yawn*

Stinkerbelle

I would not recommend Advanced Cosmetic Surgery, myself and a friend went there and were less than satisfied.

By the by, does anybody know where you can get cosmetic surgery and finance from the same company, like in the UK? It's just that I've had them coming up to 10 years and I heard it's best to have them replaced at that stage but I don't have the cash outright and have just already got a loan from the bank for a car. vicious I know.

chump

daRobot wrote:

Read back the posts there, it's not established clinics like this that are being discussed.They're hospitals (Private ones), and thats why they're called clinics.

*Yawn*

Firstly, stay away from "Clinics", it's poor medical ethics to advertise and you wont get a high standard of surgeon there, regardless of what they tell you.Get a recommendation through your local gp.

So please distinguish. Basically dodgy "Clinics" advertise? So go to somewhere that doesn't advertise? Is that it?

Is a private hospital or 'clinic' that furnishes a GP clinic with leaflets about cosmetic surgery regarded as advertising? Or does advertising just count as putting 'ads' in newspapers and magazines?

And how does a 'clinic' become established? Is there set criteria?

What are you actually saying?

daRobot

chump wrote:

So please distinguish. Basically dodgy "Clinics" advertise? So go to somewhere that doesn't advertise? Is that it?

Is a private hospital or 'clinic' that furnishes a GP clinic with leaflets about cosmetic surgery regarded as advertising? Or does advertising just count as putting 'ads' in newspapers and magazines?

Yes for your first question.Good surgeons will be found through a doctors referral.

I've never heard of a reputable clinic advertising their cosmetic surgery procedures on leaflets in doctors waiting rooms, so couldn't comment on that one.

chump

daRobot all I'm saying is that you're basing (what you present here as facts) on personal intuition and opinion.
You've nothing to base it on except that you think that good surgeons wouldn't work for clinics that advertise. But you have to remember that not everyone shares your same benchmark on ethical behaviour and it's naive to think that you can dismiss as incompetent these clinics and doctors.

And also your opinion that good surgeons will only be found through doctors referrals is laughable. I'd be far happier choosing my own doctor based on results, a meeting, and experience.
I think you place too much faith in your local GP.

daRobot

chump wrote:

daRobot all I'm saying is that you're basing (what you present here as facts) on personal intuition and opinion.
You've nothing to base it on except that you think that good surgeons wouldn't work for clinics that advertise. But you have to remember that not everyone shares your same benchmark on ethical behaviour and it's naive to think that you can dismiss as incompetent these clinics and doctors.

And also your opinion that good surgeons will only be found through doctors referrals is laughable. I'd be far happier choosing my own doctor based on results, a meeting, and experience.
I think you place too much faith in your local GP.

It's not personal opinion, or intuition for that matter.

Two relations of mine are surgeons, and having discussed similar matters to this with them at family functions, i'm relaying their opinions as my own.If you believe that you know more then two professionals who work within the industry (albeit in the uk) you're pretty misguided and naive.

fuzzywiggle

My helpful advice would be not to get it done. They look and feel awful IMO. What do you need bigger breasts for? I'm sure you look fine as you are no matter what size they may be.

chump

daRobot wrote:

It's not personal opinion, or intuition for that matter.

Two relations of mine are surgeons, and having discussed similar matters to this with them at family functions, i'm relaying their opinions as my own.If you believe that you know more then two professionals who work within the industry (albeit in the uk) you're pretty misguided and naive.

I take your two relations and raise you my mammy.
You never answered my question about what is considered 'advertising'.
If you want to believe and propagate the notion that advertising for cosmetic surgery = incompetence continue on. I just hope people don't listen to you.

X-SL

don't do it unless for medical reasons. real beats fake anyday

Mezcita

daRobot wrote:

Read back the posts there, it's not established clinics like this that are being discussed.They're hospitals (Private ones), and thats why they're called clinics.

*Yawn*

Your previous comments do not differentiate between private clinics such as Blackrock and 'clinics' such as Advanced Cosmetic Surgery. But thanks for the patronizing *yawn* remark. Luckily you make yourself seem even more up your own rear end in your later comments.

Just because two surgeon relatives of yours state that fellow surgeons who operate within these specialized clinics are incompetent, it does not mean that they all are. If bad surgery which endangered the life of patients was being conducted within these clinics they would be closed down immediately.

You accuse Chump of being naive yet:

1. You are not a surgeon.
2. You have probably never even met anyone who has had work done in a clinic such as Advanced Cosmetic Surgery and therefore have no way of comparing good work from bad.
3. By all means express the opinions of your relatives as your own. But its naive of you to take their word as gospel when you are not clinically qualified to slag off the work done by surgeons in these "clinics".

daRobot

http://www.embarrassingproblems.com/cosmeticsurgery.htm

Have a read

Mezcita

daRobot wrote:

http://www.embarrassingproblems.com/cosmeticsurgery.htm

Have a read

Wow. That really showed me........

Looks like something from Woman’s Own. Also, 'The following advice is mainly about the UK'. Most of us live in Ireland.

Any chance you have a few articles from the Irish Medical Times specifically addressing unqualified and bad surgery being conducted within these clinics?

Thought not.

daRobot

Seriously, have a word with yourself.

Harley, acs etc are all english companies so the same applies.Moreover,who do you think has stricter regulations on plastic surgery,Ireland or the Uk?

Anyone who advocates going to a place like Harley instead of getting a recommendation from their Gp regards an operation like a boob job, is a fool.

MW

Thanks for all of the replies they have been very helpful, DaRobot do you know of any private clinics because I don't have a clue. I have taken your recommendations on board, I don't want to go in to this half arsed. Thanks.

daRobot

Hey Mw, glad you're doing the sensible thing.

To be honest, I couldn't recommend you to any particular clinic, but what i'd advise you to do, is to book three seperate appointments with different gp's in your area (In dublin, this would be easy for you)

Each gp you go to, explain your suitation and see who they recommend.It's very possible that they may all recommend the same surgeon to you, in which case you know you've got a good one.Obviously gp visits aren't cheap, and to make three appointments isn't totally necessary, but it's a good screening process if you can afford it.

The gp recommendation route is the only way to go with this.

Good luck!

po0k

Get pregnant.

tom-thebox

Give us a look when your done