Drugs, Legal and illegal ones.

Sm0ke

just taught id raise a topic about these. from my experiences there seems to be 3 types of people, those who take no drugs. those who take little, and those that will try anything. they now span all social classes and some pretty strong ones are legal in this country i.e. Peyote. i always found it strange that Peyote wud be legal where as Marijuana isnt, is this just ignorance on the part of the Authorites or what, and surely salvia must be more damaging than pot?

so why do some people take drugs and sum dont? everyone has a choicer and its not just the "lower" classes that become junkies.

Zapp Brannigan

I don't take drugs because I don't want to.
Though saying that I'd really like to try Salvia cos it sounds like a good experience, but I just dont wanna do drugs in case I get addicted or anything like that.

Dooom

Do a search for the old Magic Mushroom threads, there were a few big debates on the subject.

Sm0ke

i bring this topic up cause im one of these people who will try anything once

i get really pissed with the attacks on magic mushrooms and pot, u cant have a government banning these drugs, which together combined have caused 1 death in the last 10 years in this country. where smokes and booze cause soooo much more. i know thats been said before but its true.

yeah spike ill do a search for em now

projectmayhem

only ever done weed, and it's only ever when someone else has it in the pub or a "boys night in" (nothing gay, i swear)... don't really want to "migrate" to anything else for fear of it messing me up.

nesf

Please try to keep this reasonable lads and not promote drug use on this thread. So far it's been fine but anyone stepping out of line on this thread will be banned, so think before you post.

The topic is why some will use anything versus those who will only try a few things versus those who never will. This is neither a thread to relate your own personal experiences with drugs nor is it a thread to talk about your favourite drug and why you only use that one.

cinnamon

In the past I would be the person who would try anything - curiosity would be the prime reason. Now I'm older I wouldn't be bothered - don't even smoke a joint now.
It's more of a health thing now - I don't like putting any drug - legal or otherwise into my body.
The medical / pharmaceutical industry has a lot to answer for regarding the over-prescription of anti-depressants and the like. These chemical concoctions can be just as detrimental as anything illegal
Some people never try drugs and thats their own choice. I think who you hang around with has a large say in your habits.

projectmayhem

nesf wrote:

The topic is why some will use anything versus those who will only try a few things versus those who never will. This is neither a thread to relate your own personal experiences with drugs nor is it a thread to talk about your favourite drug and why you only use that one.

i will say this, despite the odd smoke i have, i wouldn't go mad on the stuff. and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone who doesn't really want to. i also would never go mad on it. i'm not willing to "experiment" and see if the whole paranoia thing kicks in...

Red Alert

drugs are for mugs, just not into anything like that even hash.

ExoduS 18.11

Not that it kills people, it increases your chance's of mental illness. wouldnt try it because theres real social factor to it.

Dooom

Eh no, it increases your chance of developing an already present mental illness.

DublinWriter

Sm0ke wrote:

Peyote. i always found it strange that Peyote wud be legal where as Marijuana isnt, is this just ignorance on the part of the Authorites or what?

You'll find that Drug Legislation in this country is mainly governed by the "Joe Duffy Show".

It's only legal because some eejit hasn't died jumping off a roof whilst on it and there hasn't been an outcry from concerned parents.

It's the old 'monkeys and typewriters' argument. Given enough time, everything in this country will be banned, except alcohol.

I think we should turn to the teachings of the great Bill Hicks. "Folks, this isn't a tragedy, this is Darwinism in action. If he was so smart, then why didn't he try taking off from the ground first?"

Plug

Hash.........Keeps you out of trouble, never killked anyone yet.
yokes........E5 each, will fcuk you up after a while. You could die if you get a bad one.
cocaine.....simular effects. Rich man's drug. nums your face.
Hereoin......Expensive and will kill fast. Wouldn't touch it.
Lsd...........gives you wings, but will seriously fcuk you up.
Magic mushrums......Don't know.
Alchol.....Worse than hash, yokes and cocaine.
I strongly don't recemmend any.

So Glad

ExoduS 18.11 wrote:

Not that it kills people, it increases your chance's of mental illness. wouldnt try it because theres real social factor to it.

True. Very true. But again not a certified side effect. I've seen people who smoke every day all day and they are fine. As social as you would expect from anyone, get up go to work and whatever but some people I have met smoke it all the time and stay home, don't want to go out, overly aggresive etc. but you can't tar everyone with the same brush.

To be honest it is not the drugs. Ever. It's the people behind them because all in all it is how their brain tackles drugs in the first place and some people can't handle it and go mental etc. So, the basic rule is, if you feel down allot when doing drugs, stop doing them. Very simple.

I think it is kind of pretencious of a government to ban people from taking whatever substence because after all it is their body. If they become unwell from doing them, it's their fault. Let that be the lesson. Don't speak out for everyone. But this has to be said because this is true and no other fact can dominate this fact:

Alcohol and Tobacco kill more people across the world than EVERY known drug combined. Every friend of mine who has divorced perents (including me) have been divorced due to alcoholic violence, not ANY drug. Drugs have never killed my family or friends or taken anything from me. Alcohol and tobacco have killed so many of my family and friends along with alcohol messing them up mentally. The very fact alcohol and tobacco is advertised in our faces every day to is kind of offensive.

Also, drugs have given us the best music ever heard by man. Also some excellent art. So if you disagree with drugs then I suppose you dislike every good music act or artist.

rant over.

Endurance Man

I follow Ben Harpers teachings , "if you're causing no harm then you're alright with me"

PS - Get the song, called "Burn One Down"

Rollo Tamasi

who needs drugs when you have jack daniels?

smoked a fair bit in my time but don't anymore, can't stand the stuff now. Wouldn't do anything else either. Everything is over-rated or causes too much harm nowadays. If you go out and take something you need to next day to recover.....what's the point in living a 6 or even 5 day week just to have 2 or 3 hours of fun?

pointless thread btw.

FX Meister

Plug wrote:

Hash.........Keeps you out of trouble, never killked anyone yet.

Not true on both counts

cocaine.....simular effects. Rich man's drug. nums your face.

Not a rich persons drug anymore

Hereoin......Expensive and will kill fast. Wouldn't touch it.

Not expensive and does not kill you fast

Lsd...........gives you wings, but will seriously fcuk you up.

Jeez, who told you that crap? Your mom?

joebhoy1916

Jeez, who told you that crap? Your mom?[/QUOTE]

LMFBO

Sm0ke

cinnamon wrote:

In the past I would be the person who would try anything - curiosity would be the prime reason. Now I'm older I wouldn't be bothered - don't even smoke a joint now.
It's more of a health thing now - I don't like putting any drug - legal or otherwise into my body.
The medical / pharmaceutical industry has a lot to answer for regarding the over-prescription of anti-depressants and the like. These chemical concoctions can be just as detrimental as anything illegal
Some people never try drugs and thats their own choice. I think who you hang around with has a large say in your habits.

good post.

i was prescribed anti-depressants, pretty strong ones, i still remember one day when i got up and felt this complete and utter fake happiness. i never took a single one since then. i believe the only true cure for depression(not serious depression or Manic Depression) is counselling,your doctor will tell u diffrently tho.

i find most of the legal highs to be ok, LSA being a slight exception because of the horrible sickness i felt with it i was considering trying peyote but i wont touch anything that i have very limited knowledge of. It seems to me that some people go thru life as "buzz-seekers" im just wondering if this is some pre-disposed mentel condition probably not!

zuutroy

smoked a lot over the years....eventually messed my head up totally. If I smoke now it instantaneously makes me anxious and stuff. Same story with one of my mates. Much better off without it. All my heavy smoking mates are still at it, and not in good shape.

Plug

FX Meister wrote:

Not true on both counts

Is that why you see stoned people robbing places:rolleyes: Who did it kill?

FX Meister wrote:

Not a rich persons drug anymore

So E50 for a rock is cheap then? :rolleyes:

FX Meister wrote:

Not expensive and does not kill you fast

Is expensive and a chap up my way died from getting a bad deal:eek:

FX Meister wrote:

Jeez, who told you that crap? Your mom?

No....general knowledge, you listen too much to teachers etc:p

joebhoy1916

Sm0ke wrote:

It seems to me that some people go thru life as "buzz-seekers" im just wondering if this is some pre-disposed mentel condition probably not!

Didnt you want to start an leagl high topic.

Tusky

Plug wrote:

Hash.........Keeps you out of trouble, never killked anyone yet.
yokes........E5 each, will fcuk you up after a while. You could die if you get a bad one.
cocaine.....simular effects. Rich man's drug. nums your face.
Hereoin......Expensive and will kill fast. Wouldn't touch it.
Lsd...........gives you wings, but will seriously fcuk you up.
Magic mushrums......Don't know.
Alchol.....Worse than hash, yokes and cocaine.
I strongly don't recemmend any.

Please dont post in this thread anymore, thanks.

So Glad

Tusky wrote:

Please dont post in this thread anymore, thanks.

HAHAHAHA:D

Terry

So Glad wrote:

Alcohol and Tobacco kill more people across the world than EVERY known drug combined.

so has eating fatty foods. want to know why? because more people indulge in these activities.

Every friend of mine who has divorced perents (including me) have been divorced due to alcoholic violence, not ANY drug.

aside from your own parents, were you there to see everything that went on behind closed doors? i've seen plenty of parents of 20 year olds at house parties doing coke and other crap.

Drugs have never killed my family or friends or taken anything from me.

yet...

Alcohol and tobacco have killed so many of my family and friends along with alcohol messing them up mentally. The very fact alcohol and tobacco is advertised in our faces every day to is kind of offensive.

tell the advertising standards authority.

Also, drugs have given us the best music ever heard by man. Also some excellent art. So if you disagree with drugs then I suppose you dislike every good music act or artist.

yep. hendrix, joplin, cobain, morrison. they were all great. how did they die again?

joebhoy1916

julep wrote:

yep. hendrix, joplin, cobain, morrison. they were all great. how did they die again?

Do you think they would changed a thing?

FX Meister

Plug wrote:

So E50 for a rock is cheap then? :rolleyes:

I didn't say it was cheap, I said it isn't a rich mans drug anymore. There's a huge difference, maybe you just aren't educated enough to spot that.

Heroin Is expensive and a chap up my way died from getting a bad deal:eek:

You're from Kilkenny, what would you know about the price of heroin?

No....general knowledge, you listen too much to teachers etc:p

Wow, it's general knowlege that taking LSD gives you wings. Again, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. I suppose you think drinking red bull gives you wings too as it says so in the ad.

I don't want to hear anything more from you. Your ignorance astounds.
Thanks anyway

FX Meister

julep wrote:

yep. hendrix, joplin, cobain, morrison. they were all great. how did they die again?

All from drug overdoses. Oh wait, no, Kurt Cobain blew his face off with a shot gun didn't he?

And hendrix didn't die from drugs either, he died from drowning in his own vomit, as a result of not having a gag reflux due to taking barbs. Read that piece of garbage in High Times once.

DublinWriter

julep wrote:

yep. hendrix, joplin, cobain, morrison. they were all great. how did they die again?

Hendrix - choked on his own vomit
Cobain - shot himself
Morrison - heart attack in the bath

Joplin is the only one who OD'ed.

Other famous 'drug-related' rock deaths include:

'Mama' Cass Elliot - choked on a chicken bone
Keith Moon - died after a bad reaction to a drug prescribed by his Doctor to help him quit drinking (it certainly did)
Jeff Pocaro - bizarre gardening accident (spookily enough, one of Spinal Tap's drummers went the same way many years before - how Rock 'n' Roll is that?)

So the lesson here obviously is, don't do drugs, drugs are bad, m'kay?

Goodshape

It annoys me when people choose to draw such a definite line between the legal and illegal drugs (the former being 'good', the latter being 'bad'. end of story).

There's enough information out there that people should be able to make up their own minds on the issue. In my experience difference between legal and illegal does not always equal the difference between good and bad.

I think there's certain drugs that you'd be fairly stupid to get into but personal freedom ftw.

Red Alert wrote:

drugs are for mugs, just not into anything like that even hash.

Strokesfan

Sm0ke wrote:

Peyote. i always found it strange that Peyote wud be legal where as Marijuana isnt, is this just ignorance on the part of the Authorites or what, and surely salvia must be more damaging than pot?

What's peyote???? Never heard of it
I never touched drugs until I was 23, then I went through a phase of thinking that it was quite glam, then realised it does me no good whatsoever and you talk loads of rubbish on them. Phase over but I wouldn't judge anyone else.

Giblet

Keep prices and dosages out of this thread.

Plug, stop posting "facts" please, misinformation is probably the most dangerous thing when it comes to these discussions.

Terry

FX Meister wrote:

All from drug overdoses. Oh wait, no, Kurt Cobain blew his face off with a shot gun didn't he?

And hendrix didn't die from drugs either, he died from drowning in his own vomit, as a result of not having a gag reflux due to taking barbs. Read that piece of garbage in High Times once.

DublinWriter wrote:

Hendrix - choked on his own vomit
Cobain - shot himself
Morrison - heart attack in the bath

Joplin is the only one who OD'ed.

Other famous 'drug-related' rock deaths include:

'Mama' Cass Elliot - choked on a chicken bone
Keith Moon - died after a bad reaction to a drug prescribed by his Doctor to help him quit drinking (it certainly did)
Jeff Pocaro - bizarre gardening accident (spookily enough, one of Spinal Tap's drummers went the same way many years before - how Rock 'n' Roll is that?)

So the lesson here obviously is, don't do drugs, drugs are bad, m'kay?

all had well documented drug problems, which is the point i was making.

so when pete doherty dies from choking on his own vomit, are you all going to deny he had a drug problem too?

Goodshape

Strokesfan wrote:

What's peyote????

A psychedelic cactus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyote

I'd say it's not illegal here because it's next to imposable to get (I've never seen or heard of it's availability at least). Never tried it myself but a very intensive trip by all accounts.

Tusky

I dont anyone is saying drugs are not dangerous...anyone who does is an idiot. Of course they are dangerous if you are irresponsible with them...but then again, so are cars, knives & food.

Dooom

FX Meister wrote:

You're from Kilkenny, what would you know about the price of heroin?

Quite a bit (well, I don't know about Pug), there's a fairly large population of junkies around Kilkenny.

Iirc wasn't Cobain off his face on china white or something when he popped the bottle?

Canis Lupus

I smoke tobacco and weed and drink alcohol.

To answer the OP's question I can't give a general answer really, it's as simple as I can so I can when it applies to me, others just say no It has alot to do with parenting and the people you grow up with as well I'd guess.

I take nothing harder tho as the margin between the pros and the cons starts getting slimmer the more exotic you go, not including smoking ordinary cigs cos they don't have a plus side bar that I enjoy smoking.... Or the nicotine tells me I do?....

inode

salvia is really intense too. i had a dodgey trip on it. wouldnt advice for people who have been stoned or really drunk or on shrooms etc ( obviously they would have been stoned and on shrooms in holland as no one in ireland takes illegal drugs lol)

Goodshape

inode wrote:

(obviously they would have been stoned and on shrooms in holland as no one in ireland takes illegal drugs lol)

I know you're joking, but that would be another line of thinking that annoys me. "I'd never do weed or shrooms.. there illegal and therefor bad! Oh, but if you're in Holland then obviously that's alright!".

Law's are not a substitute for common sense.

So Glad

julep wrote:

so has eating fatty foods. want to know why? because more people indulge in these activities.


aside from your own parents, were you there to see everything that went on behind closed doors? i've seen plenty of parents of 20 year olds at house parties doing coke and other crap.


yet...


tell the advertising standards authority.


yep. hendrix, joplin, cobain, morrison. they were all great. how did they die again?

Oh lord.

So what if they died? They wanted to die. They did what they came to do and then died. Look at what they left. Great music. So what if they died from drugs. Why should you care?

Also, not much rock stars actually die from drugs. It is usually media ****erry that says that as pointed out a few posts ago. Look at Cream. They are unbelievably old and they have done drugs for years. Heroin, coke the dreaded hash everything including alcoholism. Are they dead? No, and they still rock out. What is your point?

nesf

Arguing over bands and their drug usage etc is not adding anything to the discussion on here. It's pointless, a lot of drugs are bad for you in the long term (like alcohol and nicotine) that's from statistics not individual cases.

One of my relatives lived to 93 while drinking heavily, smoking heavily and eating very fatty food all his life. Does that mean that all of the above encourage a long life and have no ill effects? No, it doesn't. It just highlights how pointless discussing individual cases is when you are talking about something being bad for people in general.

Cop on people.

Dave!

You heard the lady. Back on topic!

I wonder will this thread be moved to the new Drugs forum when we get it Or will it be closed by then lol

DublinWriter

I think Wilde said it best when he said "One should try everything once except incest and morris dancing".

slipss

Sm0ke wrote:

just taught id raise a topic about these. from my experiences there seems to be 3 types of people, those who take no drugs. those who take little, and those that will try anything. they now span all social classes and some pretty strong ones are legal in this country i.e. Peyote. i always found it strange that Peyote wud be legal where as Marijuana isnt, is this just ignorance on the part of the Authorites or what, and surely salvia must be more damaging than pot?

so why do some people take drugs and sum dont? everyone has a choicer and its not just the "lower" classes that become junkies.

Anyways getting back to your question Smoke

I seen a program on the dicovery channel I think about this before, not about drugs exactly, but it was about how some people are "thrill seekers" and others play it safe.

It was arguing that it was something to do with your brain chemistry, dopamine supply control, or something like that. Anyways they used the example or two kids at a swimming pool, they both go up to the top of the high dive, their both nervice but one of them jumps and one chickens out and climbs back down the ladder, they scanned their brains and did tests on them and it turned out thier brains worked a little differently. The kid that jumped's brain looked the same in scans during tests to the brains of sky divers and racing drivers and recreational drug users. It was a lot more complicated and drawn out than that but that was the drift of it.

I reckon this theory partly explains why outta two people that grew up in the same house and had the same friends ect one will try different drugs when they get the chance and the other one won't. Obviously though the company you keep and how your raised and how available certain drugs are to you would also determain wether or not you would try a particular drug. But i do think theres something to that whole discovery channel thing, because in general the friends I know that do drugs, or more acuratly, would be willing to try a new drug or differant drugs are usually the ones that always wanted to go on the biggest scariest rides if we went to a carnivale, or tended to drive that little bit to fast, or were always up for things like bungy jumping or ab sailing. And going the other way the friends I have that turned down things like hash and e and coke when it was offered to them the first time were usually the ones that didn't really go for those things. There are a few exeptions going both ways but for the most part this was the way it usually went.

Beekay

julep wrote:

yep. hendrix, joplin, cobain, morrison. they were all great. how did they die again?

suicide

edit:whoops its already been said....carry on

Naked Lepper

You will find that most people do in fact take drugs. Wheather it be cigarettes, alcohol, cannabis, ampetamines, psychadelics..

Its just that the people who take the legal ones often have a feeling that because their drugs of choice are legal, that they are ok, or less harmful that the ones that are illegal. Which is, as any educated person will tell you, simply not the case.

Funsterdelux

Drugs are bad, drugs are good, a six inch block is good, in a shed wall, but if its forthy feet in the air and nothing to support it and theres someone standing underneath, then its bad.
Its the same with religion, its good for some people here, whereas it may kill millions elsewhere. Sure cars get us to work, airplanes to far off destinations, but they are also killing the atmosphere, killing us.
This is the world we live in, fact is, its probably going to stay this way for an awful long time.
Fair enough most people start drugs coz of peer pressure, I know I did but I had no opinions before I started, now I have. I could stop if I had to stop, drinking or smoking, no problem. I may have/want to in the future, but I dont see it as a problem, I dont have an addictive personality, and I think genes has a major part to play when it comes to drugs.

cinnamon

Goodshape wrote:

It annoys me when people choose to draw such a definite line between the legal and illegal drugs (the former being 'good', the latter being 'bad'. end of story).

There's enough information out there that people should be able to make up their own minds on the issue. In my experience difference between legal and illegal does not always equal the difference between good and bad.
.

It's the government who draws the line between legal and illegal drugs - they make the laws, not people.

Tha Gopher

Plug wrote:

Hash.........Keeps you out of trouble, never killked anyone yet.
yokes........E5 each, will fcuk you up after a while. You could die if you get a bad one.
cocaine.....simular effects. Rich man's drug. nums your face.
Hereoin......Expensive and will kill fast. Wouldn't touch it.
Lsd...........gives you wings, but will seriously fcuk you up.
Magic mushrums......Don't know.
Alchol.....Worse than hash, yokes and cocaine.
I strongly don't recemmend any.

LOL What age are you, 14?

tbh Im pretty tired of the "alcohol evil, weed natural and good" thing on boards. Firstly, enough of this nobody ever died from smoke. A man in Wales was recorded of having died of cannabis poisoning, which pretty much gets rid of the old tale that you would have to smoke your own body weight in hash in a matter of hours to kill yourself, as I saw somewhere. All this nonsense about "alcohol destroys families, hash doesnt". You honestly think that nobody has ever run down and killed a child, or plowed into another car, or walked out infront of one themselves, whilst stoned out of their brain (nearly did the walk out infront of car one myself a few times mashed).

I smoke maybe 4/5 times a day, I drink a shedload at the weekend, I do certain things at occasional dance music events, but nevertheless the whole demon alcohol theme of most boards threads is embarrasing. As is the "stoners are all good people" theme. Hash doesnt make people violent, but at the same time the fact 98% of the scumbags smoke it seems to be ignored.

As for my experience, kids, say no to speed. Havent done acid yet, having been rather put off after a guy i know fell from a 4th storey flat during a party whilst on it (admittedtly, that could happen when purely drunk, but Ill still stay clear for now)

So Glad- so whats your point? Every relationship break up of people you know in their 40s/50s was caused mainly by alcohol (and gambling in some cases Id suspect). So what. Your forgetting these people are from a different era. They were already broke up before coke hit big in the late 90s, and even when it did most of hem probably had no interest in taking it. I can think of a few younger people I know who broke up pretty serious relationships because one of the couple had coke habits. If I ask my kids in 20 years how many of their friends parents split because of coke Im sure it would be high.

So Glad wrote:

Also, drugs have given us the best music ever heard by man. Also some excellent art. So if you disagree with drugs then I suppose you dislike every good music act or artist.

ROFL

Granted, Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre collaborated on the classic The Chronic and Doggystyle in a haze of tanqueray and marijuana.

13 years of even heavier smoking later and Snoop hasnt brought out a solid album since. Theres such thing as too much of a good thing.......

Naked Lepper

Tha Gopher wrote:

Hash doesnt make people violent, but at the same time the fact 98% of the scumbags smoke it seems to be ignored.

Yeah and 100% of the 'scumbags' drink alcohol.

I assure you that when the scumbags do 'scumbag things' they are going to be under the influence of alcohol.

Its a fact that weed chills people out, alcohol makes people aggressive.

Naked Lepper

Tha Gopher wrote:

Granted, Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre collaborated on the classic The Chronic and Doggystyle in a haze of tanqueray and marijuana.

13 years of even heavier smoking later and Snoop hasnt brought out a solid album since. Theres such thing as too much of a good thing.......

Youre off your rocker, snoop doggs first album was better than any later ones because he smokes weed? Nonsence, hes probably always smoked and its often the case that a debut album is better than any follow ups, and its not due to drugs.

Lets face it, most people on this forum are ignorant to the whole debate, so i suggest you go and read some stuff on erowid.org, the-shroomery.org, bluelight.nu before coming here with your half arsed ignorant 'arguements'