Live Tournament Hand From Wednesday Night

ianmc38

I have about 4k. I think this hand happened in level 2.

I limp in LMP with 5c7c.

I think there's one more limper and the SB completes.

Flop is KcQc7d.

SB leads for 200 into a pot of 600 or so. He's been leading lots of flops and folding to raises.
BB raises to 800. He's been betting and raising with draws all night. I think he'd have raised AK/AQ/KQ preflop. I'd say he's almost certainly got JT or a flush draw here.

I'm next to act and push. Both the SB and BB have had their rebuys at this stage, so if either call and lose they will be out.

Thoughts please....

ionapaul

I would have folded, waited for my moment and got blinded away to nothing, before pushing with Q5o on the SB, running into QJo and going home, crying all the way and maybe wishing for the warm embrace of the grave for the next 48 hours....

But that's just me. Honestly, I think I would have folded Ian, as I think you are up against a high flush draw and maybe another 7 or a Q (the SB). It can't have gone all wrong as I know you lasted until the final table!

Lafortezza

It's hard to put the SB and BB on hands in situations like this. The SB could have any one pair hand, JT, a flush draw. The BB obviously has something better, a solid King, Q7, AcXc. By pushing you're saying that you have an even better hand, TPTK, pair and a draw, set, top two pair. Just depends on your reads and how much folding equity you think you have.
If you get called by the BB you'll definitly be behind.

What are SB/BB stacks? How desperate are they to get some chips?

HalfBaked

ionapaul wrote:

I would have folded, waited for my moment and got blinded away to nothing, before pushing with Q5o on the SB, running into QJo and going home, crying all the way and maybe wishing for the warm embrace of the grave for the next 48 hours....

I did warn you about my blinds :rolleyes:

The Snapper

Nice move this, read dependant. But it will only pay off if they're capable of letting their hand go, and not many are. I have seen this kind of move often lately and invariably the outcome is a bad call taking down a big pot.:(

ianmc38

Well the first guy folded a raggy king and the second guy called with AcTc. I don't really like his call here.

My range here must look like a set or top two protecting against a flush draw and i'm a favourite with both of these hands. Even with AK or KJ no clubs i'm still a favourite.

Result was that he hit the flush on the turn, but I still think he should fold there.

Gholimoli

ianmc38 wrote:

Well the first guy folded a raggy king and the second guy called with AcTc. I don't really like his call here.

My range here must look like a set or top two protecting against a flush draw and i'm a favourite with both of these hands. Even with AK or KJ no clubs i'm still a favourite.

Result was that he hit the flush on the turn, but I still think he should fold there.

there is a few problems with this:

1)your range does not look like a set ,flop is KQ7 with two clubs,the only real set here is if you hold 77 cuz you most likely would have raised with the other 2 PPs.
if he puts you on two pair he still has outs agianst you something like 11 outs .

2)the stacks are importnt here.you never mentioned the stack sizes.

3) to be honest i dont like your move after a bet and a raise,it would have been a good move if against one players raise,or if the other dude had just flat called but basically you dont really want a caller here cuz if u get called ur behind,so you are counting on alot of FE,now the question is were the players capable of folding TP,FD,OPSFD, and the likes .if not then you dont have the vital FE needed here to make this a good move.

wayfarer

I you have a set half the time and top two the other half, he's getting the odds.

ianmc38

Both players had ~4k and blinds were only 50-100, so I thought they would fold rather than gamble. Obviously i didnt want player 2 to call here. 1st guy with the ragged king i dont mind.

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

Well the first guy folded a raggy king and the second guy called with AcTc. I don't really like his call here.

My range here must look like a set or top two protecting against a flush draw and i'm a favourite with both of these hands. Even with AK or KJ no clubs i'm still a favourite.

Result was that he hit the flush on the turn, but I still think he should fold there.

No way. I call here with AcTc.

ChipLdr

This move only works if you feel the player(s) will fold to your strength. I've been caught doing the exact same move online a few times in the last few days by fish who cant lay down mid pair.

Against weak opposition semi bluffing seldom returns great reward.

AcTc is a tough fold as he must be thinking neither of you 2 have clubs and there is the possiblity of the str8 too.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

No way. I call here with AcTc.

What does my hand look like?

Hectorjelly

ianmc38 wrote:

What does my hand look like?

who cares, he flopped the nuts!

ChipLdr

Hectorjelly wrote:

who cares, he flopped the nuts!

Waits patiently for HJ to get himself out of this one

Hectorjelly

ChipLdr wrote:

Waits patiently for HJ to get himself out of this one

if I have Ac Tc and the flop is Kc Qc im not folding with less than 40 blinds

cardshark202

Hectorjelly wrote:

if I have Ac Tc and the flop is Kc Qc im not folding with less than 40 blinds

It would be better if the flop was Qc Jc X so you would have way more straight flush outs. I certainly don't fold AcTc anyway.

Hectorjelly

cardshark202 wrote:

It would be better if the flop was Qc Jc X so you would have way more straight flush outs. I certainly don't fold AcTc anyway.

It would be even better if it was a flop of Kc Qc Jc against 8 opponents holding

Ks Kd
Qs Qd
Js Jd
Ad Td
As Ah
kh Qh
Jh 9c
9d Ts

cardshark202

Hectorjelly wrote:

It would be even better if it was a flop of Kc Qc Jc against 8 opponents holding

Ks Kd
Qs Qd
Js Jd
Ad Td
As Ah
kh Qh
Jh 9c
9d Ts

not if 2's are wild and 5 of a kind beats a royal flush.

RoundTower

Hectorjelly wrote:

It would be even better if it was a flop of Kc Qc Jc against 8 opponents holding

Ks Kd
Qs Qd
Js Jd
Ad Td
As Ah
kh Qh
Jh 9c
9d Ts

Then how do you expect to win the bad beat jackpot?

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

Then how do you expect to win the bad beat jackpot?

me wrote:

...if 2's are wild and 5 of a kind beats a royal flush

..

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

What does my hand look like?

looks like you have a draw .

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

What does my hand look like?

besides - I dont care what your hand looks like

I have AcTc, and the pot has 600 + 200 + 800 + 4000 = 5600, and its 3200 to call, I got great pot odds, and I'm prolly a favourite against your range, but I sure as hell aint that much of an underdog.