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OctavarIan

How'd ya get on? Though it was fair enough myself. Got a bit mixed up with a few of the short questions, but overall I'm not worried at all.

grimloch

I once again got caught out by the very blurry line between management skills/characteristics and leadership characteristics.

My ABQ went rather poorly as a result.

OctavarIan

grimloch wrote:

I once again got caught out by the very blurry line between management skills/characteristics and leadership characteristics.

My ABQ went rather poorly as a result.

I though leadership was a managment activity too? I dunno, I can't even remember what I wrote! I was in robot mode for 2 hrs 45 mins, churning out the crap.

Attractive Nun

I thought that was such an easy paper, relatively speaking. The only problem was getting everything written, which I managed by sacrificing my hand before this history exam. ABQ was tricky enough, but some of the short questions were ridiculously easy for the bluffers. "Define management." (!)

iggyman

ye short q's were simple..the abq was preety easy as well...as managing activitys are planning organising and controlling and not leadership,motivating,and communication..but only got three of four long questions done at end so losing 60 marks straightr away

Attractive Nun

I dunno, that question about management strategies for adapting to chance was a bit iffy. I waffled on about changing from controller to facilitator manager, TQM, making change a 'focus' and quality circles. It's decent enough material but I reckon the examiners will be looking for waffle. Other than that I managed to do Q5 in about 15-20 minutes at the end, which was impressive. Time was a bigger factor than I expected, possibly because the long questions were so easy if you knew them.

smemon

planning, organising, control my friends the 3 managemnet activities.

nailed the ABQ. wrote 4 pages. near full marks. i'll say 70.

short questions were tricky but again i got at least 70.

for the 60 markers i done the report, the profit/loss analysis and can't remember the rest. i'd say out of 240 i got at least 180 which means, i, my friends, have got a minimum of 80%

it's just too easy... wrote 13 pages + the booklet short q's in 3 hours. *blows smoke off top of pen*

ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV

i did 11 pages... i'd say ill get 65+

OctavarIan

smemon wrote:

planning, organising, control my friends the 3 managemnet activities.

****. Motivation, leadership, planning and control I wrote about. meh.

I wrote 11 pages of small writing.

Peyton Manning

Im in the same boat as smemon, only Im not an arrogant c*nt....

It was really easy - the ABQ was all about facilitating change. I happened to look over that last night. Spent a lot of time studying the changing role of management but it never came up, so was slightly p!ssed about that...

But short questions were handy too, and the long questions were childs play, especially the report.

I did Part 1, Question 1, and Part 2, Questions 4, 5 & 7.

Conor h

I wrote 20 pages.Thought it was grand.Hopefully did enough to get some sort of A.

ThrownAway

I was suprised that Price and Promotion were asked in part C of the ABQ. I didn't really know what to write after I described what they meant. I couldn't relate it to the text either so I'd say a lost marks there.

River Allow

How many pages are in a booklet cos thats how many pages I wrote?? Paper was fine.. I really liked it.. Kinda ran out of time at the end though.. If you knew your stuff like you could write so much. Twas how to know when to stop was the problem with some of the questions. Short questions were fine.. Although, I didn't like the one about the Debt Equity.. couldn't fully remember how to do it! I was in such a panic last night.. felt like I couldn't remember anything.. Then I opened the paper this morning and twas like... aaahhhh, thank God!

GretchenWieners

Wasn't happy with the timing, our supervisor was late so we started like 5mins late, which were so crucial, short qs were ok, got about 70/80 at least.
ABQ was grand although I was one of very few who didn't mind it, you really had to know your planning organising and controlling backwards like.
Long Qs brought me down, got the entreprise skills mixed up with characteristics but got Maslow and 3management styles full marks so 60/80 there.
Forgot about the report format and it's only half right(the format) and I was so stuck for time there it wasn't funny but everything I got down was correct anyway.
Not too sure on my unfair dismissals bit but got most of it, contral and co-operative and competitive should be close to full marks.
Went over the industry chapter last night!! Did very well on the part where u had to write on one and also the effects of inflation. Wasn't too sure on the part C and only got 1 point down cos the supervisor grabbed my paper off me!!!! Please God I got a B3 at least.

tweetypie

ThrownAway wrote:

I was suprised that Price and Promotion were asked in part C of the ABQ. I didn't really know what to write after I described what they meant. I couldn't relate it to the text either so I'd say a lost marks there.

Same! wtf was that all about?! Apart from that it was grand!:)

smemon

Conor h wrote:

I wrote 20 pages.Thought it was grand.Hopefully did enough to get some sort of A.

wtf? 20 A4 pages??

that's virtually impossible your talking nearly 7 pages an hour?? can't be done.

you must ether have big writing or else left big gaps or sketched big diagrams

grimloch

smemon wrote:

wtf? 20 A4 pages??

that's virtually impossible your talking nearly 7 pages an hour?? can't be done.

I think I wrote about 20 but I have very large writing indeed.

smemon

ThrownAway wrote:

I was suprised that Price and Promotion were asked in part C of the ABQ. I didn't really know what to write after I described what they meant. I couldn't relate it to the text either so I'd say a lost marks there.

i wrote about the differnet kinds of pricing eg cost plus, skimming etc and gave my advice as to which would be best for the business and gave reasons why.

for promotion i said discounts, special offers etc and again said how it would benefit the business.

ThrownAway

Actually just thinking about it there again and another one of my weak points was the business plan. I didn't really know what to write because very little information was given. I forgot the headings too and it asked for five.
I nearly died when I had one and a half questions to do and the superviser stood up and shouted through the hall ''FIVE MINUTES LEFT'' and about three seconds later he mumbled ''For ordinary level''.

ThrownAway

smemon wrote:

i wrote about the differnet kinds of pricing eg cost plus, skimming etc and gave my advice as to which would be best for the business and gave reasons why.

Ah **** completely forgot about that :mad: I wrote half a page for promotion though.

GretchenWieners

For price I went on about niche markets, price penetration (which is in the test too) and for promotion I went on about advertising, special offers and linked it to price penetration aswell.

OctavarIan

smemon wrote:

wtf? 20 A4 pages??

that's virtually impossible your talking nearly 7 pages an hour?? can't be done.

Yeah it can. Friend of mine did 3 A4 pages in 10 mins before.

DonaldDuck

OctavarIan wrote:

Yeah it can. Friend of mine did 3 A4 pages in 10 mins before.

That must be with very big writing

smemon

ThrownAway wrote:

Ah **** completely forgot about that :mad: I wrote half a page for promotion though.

glad to be the bearer of the bad news

never even thought of price skimming, cost plus etc then i looked through the paper in general, read a few other questions and that helped me step it up a few gears got me into business mode.

Glazun

Timing.. I ran out of time, I figured the report would be nice to leave to the end, and done part 1, then realised the report, I didnt so much get a report done as jotted down points for each of the questions... o_____o''

ABQ, Short Questions and everything else went grand, I wrote way too much, I finished the answerbook with brief points on the last question. Fairly sure I passed it anyway. a few parts where a bit..waffled.. Art History, German and TG left.. bleh.

eamoss

Am I the only person that taught it was hard?

I ran out of time I only got 3 long questions done.

smemon

Glazun wrote:

Timing.. I ran out of time, I figured the report would be nice to leave to the end, and done part 1, then realised the report, I didnt so much get a report done as jotted down points for each of the questions... o_____o''

yip, timing in business was the only subject i'd problems with. but thanks to my time management table which i did out on excel before the pre's, it wasn't a problem today

ah sure i mayswell post it up now, no good to me now really...

OctavarIan

DonaldDuck wrote:

That must be with very big writing

Nope. Normal sized.

sash

business was so sound! excepy 4 timin i was startin my las long question at 12:10! apart 4m dat it went cool!!

DonaldDuck

OctavarIan wrote:

Nope. Normal sized.

So your friend writes about 1000 words in 10minutes?100words a minute?Or a Word every 1.7 seconds

Mossay

ya know in the short Qs.... and you had to do debt/equity ratio.... did ya have to calculate the preference shares? my friend said to me u subtract the 2 "share" numbers given to get the preference shares. I can see preference shares in the formula in the book but i dunno.... I hate these post mortems

smemon

no afaik.

anyways it's only 1 question, sure yav loads more to get marked on, ya can afford to slip up on a few.

delta_bravo

the strategies for dealing with change are:
pay, training, negotiation, consultation, reassurance, flexibility, and something else.

smemon

deleted, see above^^

River Allow

delta_bravo wrote:

the strategies for dealing with change are:
pay, training, negotiation, consultation, reassurance, flexibility, and something else.

Well according to my book they are teamwork,quality control, empowerment and Total quality management

OctavarIan

DonaldDuck wrote:

So your friend writes about 1000 words in 10minutes?100words a minute?Or a Word every 1.7 seconds

I don't know the exact word count. :rolleyes: But if it works out at that, yeah he did. It's amazing what last minute panic does to a person! This was leftover homework now. He was ****ed afterwards he wouldn't be able to keep that up for any longer.

*Tripper*

Just glancing through the posts, why the f.u.c.k. is everyone on about how many pages they wrote. That means fcuk all, its the quality that count not quantity!

porn_star

ahhh...
i think i hopefully passed
*fingers crossed*
i didn't even get it finished...left out one of the 60 mark questions
and my abq was shocking
i did the business course in one year and the teacher was ****e, so i guess its to be expected.
i just hope i passed.
the supervisor gave me an extra 10 minutes and then i gave him the paper cos i felt bad for keeping him
but my friend was in there 10 minutes after i left still writing.
he was lovely.

Peyton Manning

I also wrote about Price and Promotion. For price, I jsut mentioned the different types of pricing (Premium, Cost Plus, Predatory, Competitive etc.) and also mentioned the factors that influence price (Quality, Demand, Cost etc.)

For Promotion, I went on about the different types of promotion (Discounts, Special Offers, Sponsorship etc.

All in all, it was a very easy test. I was specifically delighted with my ABQ and Report in Question 7.

eamoss

porn_star wrote:

ahhh...
i think i hopefully passed
*fingers crossed*
i didn't even get it finished...left out one of the 60 mark questions
and my abq was shocking
i did the business course in one year and the teacher was ****e, so i guess its to be expected.
i just hope i passed.
the supervisor gave me an extra 10 minutes and then i gave him the paper cos i felt bad for keeping him
but my friend was in there 10 minutes after i left still writing.
he was lovely.

Same as myself, just hoping that I passed and I also left out one full question worth 60marks.
Really hope I passed.

Ah think I might have messed up my ABQ you know the way part A is norm from the 1st par & B is from the 2ed par. I taught there wasnt enuf info in the first par so I took it from all over the ABQ. Was I right in doing that?

SirCretop

that paper was so long but relatively straight forward. i only had 4 pages left of the booklet at the end. crazy stuff and i wrote so fast at the end to get the last q finished that my hand-writing must b fairly bad.

chasey_

Conor h wrote:

I wrote 20 pages.Thought it was grand.Hopefully did enough to get some sort of A.

are you all thick? do you honestly believe the more pages you write the better you do? absolute bollocks. Basic Rule in buiness, divide by 5 to get the number of points required, most examiners will be royally pissed reading through 20 pages of waffle and rightly so.

oh and I cant believe you all actually counted,very sad,very sad indeed.

Psychedelik

Are you sure about that chasey? While I've always been a believer in concise answers, quantity is always what gets the grade in JC/LC AFAIK..

I wrote 7-8 including extra questions (with small writing).

chasey_

I probaly wrote around 8 pages also but I didnt count. 20 pages is a load of ****e in my opinion. I just find the fact that people need to state the amount of pages they wrote as if it equals how well they did stupid.

RagShagBill

Chasey,

Edit: Seems I thought this was the biology thread. Poor Show.

Rob30888

In the part where you had to draw up a business plan, did you just make your own assumptions on finances needed, etc? It didn't state that when it usually does and it confused the hell out of me

Attractive Nun

It's a bit strange really, looking at the past papers they usually ask a few weird questions that require you to manipulate information a bit. With the general thrust of this Leaving Cert leaning towards 'independent thinking' and that lark, I'm somewhat surprised that this exam was so... basic. Questions 1 and 5 in particular were verging on the ridiculous, and there was not one difficult short question as far as I can recall. The entire exam was one of time management, appropriately enough.

smemon

Attractive Nun wrote:

there was not one difficult short question as far as I can recall. The entire exam was one of time management, appropriately enough.

i thought those were a difficult set of short q's, quite a lot of part (b)'s to them aswell making it difficult to bluff - you might get one answer out of luck but 2 is testing you. ive seen a lot easier tbh.

that said i got 80/80 in the pre's and there was enough choice today for me to replicate my pre results.

business exam is the toughest time - wise. i got it spot on as i'd planned it to precision. i like being under pressure though, it's sort of a race to the finish line as not many people can write down everything they're asked in that time.

im well happy with my performance today, even happier with the fact that a lot of people struggled to finish the paper

Attractive Nun

I guess with the short questions they're only easy if you know the answer as Chris Tarrant would say.

For the record I am equally pleased with my performance today, and I think I officially beat smemon because I was writing to the last second in history as well as business today, and got both finished! Military precision indeed!:cool: