Non smokers and moaning.

Archeron

Just thought I'd ask your opinion about non-smokers and moaning generally as I've been inspired by the smoking at concerts thread.

Do you think, be you a smoker or a non-smoker that a large percentage of non-smokers just moan so much about smoking? These days, smoking is permitted in virtually no indoor places, but it seems that people complain more these days than the days when you were allowed smoke in maternity hospitals and cinemas!! I agree with the smoking ban 100% (how could you not??), as I think its only fair that people arent forced to sit in smoky bars all night, but surely, smokers should be allowed enjoy their smoke in peace outside the premises or in the permitted areas without the constant bitching and moaning? When I smoked, I actually had strangers passing by me in the street decide to inform me of how disgusting and unhealthy my habit was, as if I didnt already know. Also, as if I give a damn what passing idiots may think of my decisions to smoke or not. The same IMO about comments about people smoking at bus stops and train stations and such places.

I personally feel that there are smokers and non-smokers, but even people who dont smoke can be smoke friendly. Even though I'm off them 8 months and would never smoke again, I feel I am still a smoker at heart and always will be, as I can still respect the desires of others to smoke, if they wish, without my wanting to have them banished first from the pubs, then from the streets, then from outdoors generally. A compromise has been arrived at but it still feels like there is a hardcore group who just want to take the choice of smoking or not smoking away from people.

Do you think people are moaning more now about smoking than they ever did, and do you think its justified?

I know the horrible effects of smoking on the body through family members who have passed away, but I'm just talking about the rights of people to smoke outdoors when the effects on other people is virtually zero. Should they be allowed smoke or do you think they should all be sent to Monster Island??

Zebra3

Yes, I think non-smokers (I'm one myself) do moan, but I also think a lot of smokers have no regard for where their smoke goes when they are smoking one. And I would safely say that >99% of smokers have no problem littering the streets with their butts when their finished.

jcoote

i am a non smoker and it doesn't bother me in the slightest about the whole smoky atmosphere thing...its just the littering of butts thats uncalled for...now in fairness flicking a cigarette is one of the coolest things in the world but bins are provided and should be used

seamus

Spurred on by the smoking ban and the huge decrease in the number of smokers, you'll probably just find that non-smokers are more vocal now, it's not that they moan more.

I personally only berate someone when their smoking becomes a pain - leaving in the middle of a good pub conversation to have a smoke, getting up four times during dinner to go outside and have a smoke, etc.

Ex-smokers are usually the worst. "I could give them up, you're just weak", etc.

PiE

I've found that us smokers whine more about non-smokers whining about us, than non-smokers actually whine.

Dr Galen

smokings cool

_Kaiser_

Don't smoke myself and never have, but both my mother and sister do.

Never bothered me in the slightest to be honest.

DublinWriter

Archeron wrote:

Do you think people are moaning more now about smoking than they ever did, and do you think its justified?

More people are complaining about smoking but I don't think it's because less people are smoking.

My theory is that people are becoming more and more stressed out and more and more tetchy, and more and more unhappy with their work-a-day lives in the Celtic Economy.

jor el

I think it's ex-smokers who do all the moaning. I've also never heard anyone complaining about smokers smoking outside. Why would you complain about that? The littering of fag butts all around the place is uncalled for, but not all smokers do this, just a lot of them it seems.

padi89

Im a non smoker now for 5 years but i would never ever patronise someone about the dangers of smoking.To me thats just insulting someones intelligence as if they need reminding of the dangers.
The thing about the ciggarette butts being thrown on the ground is quiet ironic as there is an equal problem with chewing gum stuck on the ground and this is generally non smokers.Walk down your main street today and count the amount of white spots of chewing gum on the ground,its literally everywhere.

randomname2005

I dont have a problem with people smoking, its their choice, but as other posters have said, a little bit of consideration would be good, especially with the cigarette buts on the street.
But what does annoy me is when a parent is talking/fixing/playing with a baby in a buggy and blows smoke straight into their face. Grr!
R

TerrorFirmer

Zebra3 wrote:

Yes, I think non-smokers (I'm one myself) do moan, but I also think a lot of smokers have no regard for where their smoke goes when they are smoking one. And I would safely say that >99% of smokers have no problem littering the streets with their butts when their finished.

I would agree with this. I don't mind people smoking at all but I do ****ing mind when they blow smoke in your face!! This happens alot to me, people talking to me and smoking at the same time, blowing it straight in my face, its very annoying. And definately agree on the littering issue - I know people who would usually be the tidiest of people with great respect for public cleanliness, but wouldn't think twice about throwing their cig butts on the ground and stamping them out when finished...

But as for smoking itself I never moan about it. I don't smoke, so thats fine. Whoever does smoke, well, that's their business.

azezil

Non-smoker here, I've never complained about smokers, well maybe to take the piss but thats about it, I join my smoking friends outside quite often (assuming there's no other non-smoking peeps around to talk too), but I find, like seamus, it can be irritating when they just up and leave a conversation to light up, worse still is when they don't come back for an hour cause they got chatting outside!

The littering is totally uncalled for, that and its sometimes anti-social nature, are my only gripes with it.

Ciaran500

I find the biggest problem is the attitude of smokers towards non smokers. I generally don't complain about them smoking, but when I do its cause its genuinely p*ssing me off and in my face and its normally met with the "tough sh*t, move" argument.

I agree completley with peoples right to do what they want, but not when it affects other people.

layke

Ex Smoker. Not in the slightest, but cigarette butts drive me mad. Especially when your in traffic and some 60 year old granny who's dolled up like a wrinkley barbie throws her lipstick covered butt out the window.

Littering annoys me more then the smoking.

Non smokers: you'll never claim the beer garden!

Red Alert

smokers always want concessions at work, and they think they're entitled to them too!

Dun laoire

I will say this. I am a smoker but not a really heavy smoker (10 a day @ the most but generally less) and i notice if i'm having a drink in a pub with a few mates or something and one or two go out for a smoke, the smell off them is rotten when they come back in. I dont moan about it because i'm a smoker and who am i to complain but damn the smell is bad. It must be hell for a non smoker.

Archeron

Red Alert wrote:

smokers always want concessions at work, and they think they're entitled to them too!

I've heard this a lot. In an old job, one person in particular always used to say it wasnt fair. Yes, he actually begrudged me 5 minutes to go down and stand in the rain and cold while shortening my life by 7 minutes. If it bothers people that much, why not take similar breaks yourself?
I know that since I've stopped smoking, I still make a point of getting up every couple of hours and taking a stroll to stretch my legs. One of the hardest parts of giving up was the feeling os missing out when on break, so I continue to have the breaks.
Sadly, I now head for the fridge instead of the smoking area, but thats another discussion entirely.

nesf

Personally, I think there is a bunch of non-smokers out there that haven't figured out what the words consent and choice mean but your average one doesn't complain unless they have a good reason to and that's fair enough tbh. There are plenty of idiots on the smoking side too though.

Kolodny

padi89 wrote:

The thing about the ciggarette butts being thrown on the ground is quiet ironic as there is an equal problem with chewing gum stuck on the ground and this is generally non smokers.Walk down your main street today and count the amount of white spots of chewing gum on the ground,its literally everywhere.

What, you mean that more non-smokers chew gum? What about smokers who chew gum to get rid of the smell on their breath?

Attol

I just hate it when people smoke in your face at the bus stop. I've had people flick their ashes on my bags. If I have a heavy bag why should I have to carry it when waiting for a bus? Especially if there is space to move and I was there before the smoker.

When I smoked I did my best to put my butts in the bin. It's not that hard to find them. I tried to be considerate to others. It's not fair to make them breathe your smoke. Passive smoking is damaging too.

Kinetic^

Zebra3 wrote:

And I would safely say that >99% of smokers have no problem littering the streets with their butts when their finished.

Completely agree with you. Anybody know of anyone that's got done for littering by doing this??

zilog_jones

I don't think the councils are doing enough to tackle people throwing cigarette butts and chewing gum on the ground. Look at Limerick city for example - they put up those shatty gum/cigarette-only bins which no one bothers their hole using, because (i) they're retarded, (ii) with the gum part it is inevitable that you have to touch the side of the bin hole, which is *ewwy*, and (iii) most of them have rubbish crammed into the tops anyway making them useless and just proving the point that we need more REAL bins, not that stupid crap!

It's even worse when you go out of the city centre, because there's feck-all bins in general.

Giblet

I find you're all as bad as each other. All one big moany bunch. My house has been filled with smoke all my life but I wouldn't touch the stuff. I don't mind it sometimes, but when there's smoke trailing off into my face I hope you don't mind that I cast you a dirty look.

The thing about smoking is that it isn't a self contained bad habit, it's like a stream of farts coming from someone and going in every direction. If someone was in a room for a second with a cigarette I would know about it, that's how intrusive the smell is, especially if no-one has smoked in the room before (ie new house)

Mossy Monk

ex smoker

couldnt give a damn what smokers do as long as it isnt blown in my face or as long as they empty their ash trays. that annoys me no end

Giblet

And stop using cups and plates as ashtrays you dolts

zilog_jones

And especially stop using cans of beer currently in the process of consumption...

Mossy Monk

my cousin once used my can as an ashtray. revolting it was. all my fault apparently for not identifying the only can on the table as being in use. drinking from it doesnt seem to matter

Zebra3

Keyser Soze 5 wrote:

Anybody know of anyone that's got done for littering by doing this??

Mate of mine (non-smoker) got done a few years ago by the cops (fined and all) cos his bird's mate threw her butt out of his car window. :eek:

biko

Giblet wrote:

And stop using cups and plates as ashtrays you dolts

Yes, this is so disgusting. I am a smoker but would never do this.
Just rip a beer can in half and use that.

quickbeam

Non smoker here.

I very rarely actually say anything to smokers, but I do get pissed off a lot. Most of them, in my experience have no consideration and blow smoke in your face or smoke up wind from you so that you have no choice but to move.

And being outdoors is better than being indoors but when there's a big group of smokers, you do still get the effect. And it's not pleasant.

We all know that smoking is bad for you, but I think the thing that gripes most non-smokers is the fact that smoker's bad habit effects non-smokers too. Somebody could be doing bad things to their health by doing anything from eating greasy food to injecting heroin, but none of those things effect anybody else. But with smoking it's different, and whether it's the smell or the health issue, it still effects non-smokers.

Terry

oh dear lord. will it never end?
you got the pub, buses, cinemas and pretty much everywhere else and now your big gripe is butts on the street.
get a fucking life.

i'm going out in a while to get more cigarettes and, on the way back, i'm going to blow smoke into the face of every person i pass and then throw the butt away. all in the name of giving you whining bitches some ammo.

We all know that smoking is bad for you, but I think the thing that gripes most non-smokers is the fact that smoker's bad habit effects non-smokers too. Somebody could be doing bad things to their health by doing anything from eating greasy food to injecting heroin, but none of those things effect anybody else. But with smoking it's different, and whether it's the smell or the health issue, it still effects non-smokers.

those discarded syringes in public parks aren't really that harmful. far less harmful that a discarded cigarette butt.

Esel

zilog_jones wrote:

I don't think the councils are doing enough to tackle people throwing cigarette butts and chewing gum on the ground. Look at Limerick city for example - they put up those shatty gum/cigarette-only bins which no one bothers their hole using, because (i) they're retarded, (ii) with the gum part it is inevitable that you have to touch the side of the bin hole, which is *ewwy*, and (iii) most of them have rubbish crammed into the tops anyway making them useless and just proving the point that we need more REAL bins, not that stupid crap!

It's even worse when you go out of the city centre, because there's feck-all bins in general.

You didn't mention that smokers have to touch the side of the butt hole, which is even more *ewwy*. :eek:

Giblet

julep wrote:

oh dear lord. will it never end?
you got the pub, buses, cinemas and pretty much everywhere else and now your big gripe is butts on the street.
get a fucking life.

i'm going out in a while to get more cigarettes and, on the way back, i'm going to blow smoke into the face of every person i pass and then throw the butt away. all in the name of giving you whining bitches some ammo.


those discarded syringes in public parks aren't really that harmful. far less harmful that a discarded cigarette butt.

I hope you like being punched in the face

Pet

those discarded syringes in public parks aren't really that harmful. far less harmful that a discarded cigarette butt.

All heroin users =/= syringe-discarding junkies.

oh dear lord. will it never end?
you got the pub, buses, cinemas and pretty much everywhere else and now your big gripe is butts on the street.
get a ****ing life.

Smokers can do what they like in their own homes, as long as I don't have to breathe their smoke anywhere in public or wade through a sea of their cigarette butts on the streets. You should smoke only in the same places you'd be comfortable having sex!

Oh yeah, and as for parents who smoke around their children - they should be prosecuted too. Extremely irresponsible behaviour.

quickbeam

julep wrote:

those discarded syringes in public parks aren't really that harmful. far less harmful that a discarded cigarette butt.

Yes, discarded syringes are harmful. Not denying that.

All I'm saying is that if I stand beside somebody injecting I'm not going to be harmed, but standing beside a smoker and I will be.

Pet wrote:

Oh yeah, and as for parents who smoke around their children - they should be prosecuted too. Extremely irresponsible behaviour.

Agree. Makes me mad to see it.

bucket

I'm not as bothered by smoking outdoors as having to sit in a cloud of smoke indoors -

that said, getting a gust of smoke waiting on the bus first thing in the morning ain't too pretty.

Terry

Giblet wrote:

I hope you like being punched in the face

that's a personal threat. ban yourself for two weeks.

Pet wrote:

Smokers can do what they like in their own homes, as long as I don't have to breathe their smoke anywhere in public or wade through a sea of their cigarette butts on the streets. You should smoke only in the same places you'd be comfortable having sex!

no. smokers can smoke anywhere outdoors. until the government outlaw tobacco, that is a fact of life that you will have to deal with.
when i pay €6.50 for 20 smokes, you can be assured that i'm going to light one up right outside the shop. i'm not going to pussyfoot home and hide under my blanket first.

All heroin users =/= syringe-discarding junkies.

what the hell does that mean?
you'll have to excuse me. i believe it's something matematical, but i haven't been to school in 15 years, so my maths is a bit rusty.

Narcissus

=/= --> does not equal

Terry

Apapaia wrote:

=/= --> does not equal

wow. that's really nerdy.

ok. all smokers =/= people discarding butts and blowing smoke into people faces.

but all smokers are people who have made a personal choice.

peepsbates

Pet wrote:

All heroin users =/= syringe-discarding junkies.

realy? it can be smoked too. anywhoo ive smoked for 15 years and i hope to enjoy 15 more smoke filled ones,non smokers have whined for years until we were pushed outside to smoke now that we are outside ye want to push us further. you put up with our smoke and we will put up with the moanin.

Pet

but i haven't been to school in 15 years

How surprising.

Did you know that smoking makes you stupider? Yes, it's true. It lowers your IQ.

There's also a correlation between smoking and social status. It's commoner among the commoners.

and i hope to enjoy 15 more smoke filled ones

The best of luck with that. You'll need it.

melekalikimaka

julep wrote:

when i pay €6.50 for 20 smokes, you can be assured that i'm going to light one up right outside the shop. i'm not going to pussyfoot home and hide under my blanket first.

if i spent that much on a harmful habit i would, kinda sad really

peepsbates

Pet wrote:

The best of luck with that. You'll need it.

no luck needed we are all goin to the same place at some stage so im gonna enjoy it while im here

Terry

Pet wrote:

How surprising.

Did you know that smoking makes you stupider? Yes, it's true. It lowers your IQ.

There's also a correlation between smoking and social status. It's commoner among the commoners.



The best of luck with that. You'll need it.

oh no. someone made a derogatory comment regarding my social status and my IQ.
i feel really ashamed of who i am now.

can we move this thread to the thunderdome, please?
i want to say a few things, but the would get me banned from AH and i'm not the type of person who would send someone a hate filled PM.

in the mean time, do you have any more statistics that you would like to throw at me and my fellow low IQ commoners?

quickbeam

peepsbates wrote:

realy? it can be smoked too.

I really think you're missing the point of the analogy. My point was that injecting heroin is harmful to the user but does no harm to people in the vacinity. Whereas smoking (any substance) will harm both the user and anybody standing nearby.

peepsbates wrote:

you put up with our smoke and we will put up with the moanin.

Our whining doesn't cause you health problems.

julep wrote:

ok. all smokers =/= people discarding butts and blowing smoke into people faces.

No, you're right. Not all do. But a lot do, enough to make us pissed off.

And I have to reiterate what I said - I may be whining now, but IRL I don't. I let you guys throw your buts on the ground, let your smoke blow in to my face, and I just move away (if I can). All I'm trying to do is maybe make you see why non-smokers do get pissed off.

Archeron

Smokers being openly obnoxious is not on, but on the other hand, neither is complete strangers leaning out their car windows to call you a "stupid smelly smoking f***er". Those are the non smokers I hate, the ones that are never happy, and never will be.

zilog_jones

you put up with our smoke and we will put up with the moanin.

You smokers seem to be moaning just as much, if not more, than non-smokers.

How many times have smokers here bought up the topic of not being able to smoke in pubs now? What's that, infinity times?

Giblet

julep wrote:

that's a personal threat. ban yourself for two weeks.

How is it personal when I meant by the people whose faces you were blowing smoke into?

How about I ban you for being an idiot.

Do not post in this thread again, the comments you have made in this thread are hurting my head and I'll have no choice but to put a stop to it for a LONG time.
Also, no-one respond to julep, as they won't be participating in this thread anymore.

peepsbates

quickbeam wrote:

I really think you're missing the point of the analogy. My point was that injecting heroin is harmful to the user but does no harm to people in the vacinity. Whereas smoking (any substance) will harm both the user and anybody standing nearby.

i aint missin the point im just throwin up stupid facts like smokin makes you stupid


Our whining doesn't cause you health problems.

it puts me in a bad frame of mind thats bad enough

No, you're right. Not all do. But a lot do, enough to make us pissed off.

And I have to reiterate what I said - I may be whining now, but IRL I don't. I let you guys throw your buts on the ground, let your smoke blow in to my face, and I just move away (if I can). All I'm trying to do is maybe make you see why non-smokers do get pissed off.

i dont throw my butts away,i dont blow smoke in peoples faces i try to have my fag in peace away from non smokers if im asked to move by a non smoker i will, i have no problem with that but we now smoke outside, we have no where else to go but outside so try and see our side of it

peepsbates

please excuse my messed up last post im not too good at this:D