What do you make of this passage of play

The Snapper

3 Players remaining Blinds 1500/3000

money
1st 1300 2nd 700 3rd 350

Player A. 90k is SB
Player B. 56k is BB
Player C. 24k Button.

Players A & B have been at the same table all night and are familiar with each others play. Player B is a real strong experienced player, Player A has played solid poker pretty much and is no mug.

Pre-flop
Player C folds, Player A completes with 6-3o ? & Player B checks.

Flop (6000)
Kd 8d Qd

check, check.

Turn (6000)
(Kd 8d Qd) Jc

check, check.

River
(Kd 8d Qd Jc) 3s

Player A Checks
Player B Bets 6000
Player A has 6-3o and re-raises to 12000 ?
Player B makes it 24000
Player A Pushes all-in :eek:

ecksor

Player A re-raising with bottom pair is dodgy. He might be in front and catching a bluff by calling but he's the one doing the bluffing there. Player B might have either slow-played or backed into a monster hand.

cardshark202

The Snapper wrote:

River
(Kd 8d Qd Jc) 3s

Player A Checks
Player B Bets 6000
Player A has 6-3o and re-raises to 12000 ? - Horrible now you're bluffing
Player B makes it 24000
Player A Pushes all-in :eek: - Compounding the error even further

There are straights and flushes all over the shop. I don't like this at all.

RoundTower

I'm sure if you could put this hand on the telly and had Johnny Chan and Phil Ivey play it the commentators would be falling over themselves to say how great they both played it.

Hitman Actual

The fact that you posted such a strange hand makes me think that it's just a sequence of plays by two players who know neither has much (I think player B has absolutely nothing here), and are trying to push each other off the pot. The min-raises dont really tie in with this, but that's my theory anyway! It's still horrible play though.

The Snapper

lenny_leonard wrote:

The fact that you posted such a strange hand makes me think that it's just a sequence of plays by two players who know neither has much (I think player B has absolutely nothing here), and are trying to push each other off the pot. The min-raises dont really tie in with this, but that's my theory anyway! It's still horrible play though.

Horrible play from both players ?

The Snapper

I'm not sure about how I posted this ( piece meal ) but its done now.

Player B calls immediatley with the nut flush.

Probably the only hand that can call this bet. And, imho, the only hand that checks behind on the flop and turn.

I think its very well played by player B and an example of extracting the max from a big hand.

I can also see that Player A wrongly assumes the free cards as weakness and made a bold move for the pot. Is this flawed ?.
Hope you enjoyed, I thought it was interesting fwiw. I definately agree with roundtower, Sexton, Van patten, et al would blow this up no end.:)

Hectorjelly

Ill try and put this as delicately as possible... I THINK that some people in this thread are a bit confused. The fact that he has 63o is totally beside the point, hes bluffing. The hand is quite interesting, as all the action takes place on the river. Because of the nature of the board, once someone raises (this doesnt hold for the bet) he either has a flush (and probably the nut one) or nothing. There are no other hands that would raise the river. So the sequence should read like this

Player A checks - this means nothing
Player B bets - hes been checked to 3 times in this hand so he eitehr has a hand with no showdown value, ie is bluffing or he wants to get value from his hand. This could be a set, 2 pair, pair flush etc. Its perfectly possible 2 pair checked it down to keep the pot small.
Player A raises - ok now this guy has a flush or is bluffing. If he had any other hand he would just call the bet (or fold). I dont really like the min raise here because there are some hands that player B might have, like a rivered set that will call the min raise, but might not call a bigger bet (which makes no sense but thats how people play)
Player B minreraises - Now this guy either has the Nut flush or is bluffing. At this stage the chance of someone bluffing here has to be remote, but then I dont know the player so you never know. Most player if they bluffed here would just move in. There is no chance that the player has a hand that has showdown potential, unless its the nuts (or maybe the 2nd nuts). So he eitehr has no pair or the flush.
Player A All in - At this stage I think the chances of the other player being on a stone bluff are slim, but more importantly given that players hand range is either the nuts or nothing a call is probably better than going all in, as we do have a little something that can beat a bluff.

From this hand I think player A might be a little crazy, I cant really judge player B as its impossible to judge out of context. Normally checking the nuts twice is bad, against someone liable to 4 bet bluff all in on the river Im not so sure.

Gholimoli

The Snapper wrote:

I'm not sure about how I posted this ( piece meal ) but its done now.

Player B calls immediatley with the nut flush.

Probably the only hand that can call this bet. And, imho, the only hand that checks behind on the flop and turn.

I think its very well played by player B and an example of extracting the max from a big hand.

I can also see that Player A wrongly assumes the free cards as weakness and made a bold move for the pot. Is this flawed ?.
Hope you enjoyed, I thought it was interesting fwiw. I definately agree with roundtower, Sexton, Van patten, et al would blow this up no end.:)

I don’t think player B played the hand particularly well.
The reason why he got paid was not that he played the hand well but that player A was either sh1t or had one of those moments, which we all have.
Min raising his raise to 12K and all that is just silly IMO.and then pushing after player B puts half his stack there is just stupid play.
I would just bet this flop as there are plenty of cards that can come on the turn that would stop the action.for example if another diamond falls on the turn or if the board pairs then it would really stop any action he may have gotten.

Hitman Actual

The Snapper wrote:

Horrible play from both players ?

Well, it's not brilliant. Player A has bottom pair, but he really should just be flat callling at some stage in the betting if he thinks he might be ahead, but isn't sure. A min-raise from 6K to 12K doesn't accomplish anything. If I'm in the hand, I just call the initial 6K bet and be done with it.

And like Gholi says, Player B was lucky to get paid off so well. It wasn't really his brilliant play, it was more Player A's dodgy play that achieved that.