Had enough - bye!

ambro25

I don't ask much. Not the fastest bestest computer/gfx card/mouse/whatever. Not the latest/greatest/super-woohoo games. Just BF2 installed and running for the very rare occasions I manage to scrounge 30 mins on a week-end for 'me time'.

So there I was, downloaded the incremental, patched religiously, nothing whatsoever to tmper with my BF2 vanilla: no mods, no hacks, no nothings - just what came off the DVD, fully patched up everytime.

Now, I'd not tried MP since patching and tonight, after shipping the family off for a week, I finally have time to sit down and frag away... Weeeeell, guess what: after 7x CTDs and 2x frozen-stiff apps, AM-I-EVER-AS-F*CK :mad: :mad: :mad:

They broke my f%$*#@ game a-f%$*#@-gain :mad: :mad: :mad: I AM SO f%$*#@ FED UP OF THAT SHOWER OF c%$*#@ OF EA. Even f%$*#@ VERSION 1.0 staright off the DVD works better, after about 3 GB's worth of patches since this whole mess started.

I'm back to UT GOTY and if EA ever thought I was going to entertain the mere thought of perhaps/maybe/eventually fork up for BF2142, they can f%$*#@ well shove it up their @rse 'til it tickles their collective, inept, so-dense-the-light-bends-around-them, tonsils :mad:

One mightily angry ex-customer.

TheHairyFairy

Aye, lots saying the same. I just hope that ET:QW delivers.

Fairy

Jackabo

Ea Killed my Dog
Aye for a game just out a year it has had 2 many patches,and one after the other just breaks other stuff.
For a big Firm like Ea & a big Game like Battlefield it has been a big let down and a fart in the face for the Commuinity

Irishpimpdude

But think of it, they cant really find all the bugs when the games in testing because there is so much action.... so they realy on beta testers/ the public to report these bugs and then they fix them, but when they change the code it makes a collision with another part of the code which then forms another bug... you should all just be greatful to the amount of time they work even after people have bought the game... ok sorry for that rant lol just had to get it out.

KdjaCL

Irishpimpdude wrote:

But think of it, they cant really find all the bugs when the games in testing because there is so much action.... so they realy on beta testers/ the public to report these bugs and then they fix them, but when they change the code it makes a collision with another part of the code which then forms another bug... you should all just be greatful to the amount of time they work even after people have bought the game... ok sorry for that rant lol just had to get it out.

They only patched it to ensure the packs worked with it.

kdjac

Irishpimpdude

Of course it they would patch it otherwise...

projectmayhem

TheHairyFairy wrote:

Aye, lots saying the same. I just hope that ET:QW delivers.

Fairy

ET:QW is being made by a reputable company under the guize of Id software. any patch that they release will be for good reason, and wont require it's own patch 2 months after!

SeantheMan

Seen this post on another forum, ...although they piss me off,,,,i had to agree with this fella

I love this site and the forums[bf2s.com i took it from], but one thing that seriously irritates me are the number of sad pathetic losers 'dissing' EA and Dice for their obvious poor work on the patching, but forgetting their excellent work in terms of providing the game in the first place!

Have you not considered for one second that without the abilities of Dice and EA, we would not be on this site right now, the game wouldn't exist, and many of you would literally not have a life.

You have no right to criticise their origins, being based in Canada, nor to attack their skill and abilities - yes they fooked up with the patching, but bear in mind just how many operating systems, system configurations, graphics cards and software package combinations are present throughout the worldwide userbase of this game!!

NO ONE asked you to purchase the game, no one asks you to play it - that is YOUR choice, the fact that patches are available so frequently is rather rare in the IT industry, think yourselves lucky - eitherway your purchase, ownership and playing of the game is VOLUNTARY, and also consider the small sum you infact paid in the first place, £25.00 for me personally...£25 WELL SPENT as far as I'm concerned, patching or no patching.

All I ask is that before attacking EA and Dice, consider the above for just one second, then perhaps continue to post your ****ty pathetic immature low IQ-level attack on two incredibly talented companies that have produced potentially a 'game changing' standard looking towards the future.

And for those with very little constructive to say in response to this, don't bother responding, instead reread my post and ask someone to interpret it for you.

AnCapaillMor

Totally agree with everything in that post.

d22ontour

Lmao @ that.

1st patch contained a memory leak that fúcked the game for everyone.
2nd patch was a hotfix to fix the 1st but added it's own fúck ups.
3rd patch for me was the best.1.03
4th patch done nothing but add more problems.
5th patch was basicly the same.
6th patch see above.
7th patch see above.
8th patch was 1.3 and brought boycotts or am i drunk and can't count the patches ?

The patches have done nothing for the game in general but fúck it up.

Sgt. Politeness

Wait wait wait...thats bollocks. Sorry, but complete bollocks.
"everyone complains about the patches but noone appreciates the game!"
Thats like giving someone a nice big chocolate cake with a massive sh!t in the centre of it and saying "Yeah sure its got a turd filled centre, but just look at the nice chocolate on the outside!".
EA/Dice made a nice promising game. Then they crippled it with terrible patches, that cause more harm than good, and releasing 'booster packs' that contain stuff they used to give us for free, only now it costs you a tenner. Hell only last week i had such an absolute nightmare trying to install SF that i said to myself 'if it doesnt work this time, im uninstalling BF2 and never playing it again'. I wont even recount what i had to go through to get SF installed cause if i di ill be typing all night, but for now i will say this, from my experience with BF2, yes, ill keep playing it, but no i will never buy another EA game as thier support is ABYSMAL, and when ET:QW comes out ill be buying that, and uninstalling bf2 the second quake wars is ready to roll.

"You have no right to criticise their origins, being based in Canada, nor to attack their skill and abilities - yes they fooked up with the patching, but bear in mind just how many operating systems, system configurations, graphics cards and software package combinations are present throughout the worldwide userbase of this game!!"

Ehh how come games like WOW with millions of subscribers all over the world can be patched without problems? Ditto games like Counter strike? Dod: source? FEAR? etc?

bizmark

Irishpimpdude wrote:

But think of it, they cant really find all the bugs when the games in testing because there is so much action.... so they realy on beta testers/ the public to report these bugs and then they fix them, but when they change the code it makes a collision with another part of the code which then forms another bug... you should all just be greatful to the amount of time they work even after people have bought the game... ok sorry for that rant lol just had to get it out.

Lol "you should be happy to pay 50 euro to be beta testers for a year" Jesus Christ no wonder dice and ea are so ****e people like you keep them afloat no matter what.

Get galactic civilization 2 or eve online to see how a real developer who loves their games and respects their customers work it will open your eyes.

Sgt. Politeness

or dod:source. The dod:s devs actually use the dod forums and post to let players know how updates are coming along, hint at what type of content will be in upcoming updates, listen to player feedback etc...try getting that from EA

AnCapaillMor

In all fairness theres not much you can change on DOD, no tanks, no planes, no c4, medics etc. Dod is beautiful because it's basic, all you do is improve with little tweaks, a map here, not too many oppurtunities to f'up.

With eve online and WoW i'm sure the monthly subscription fees keeps them on their toes, because they'll lose subscribers, they can't afford to rush things and screw they lose business. Don't know if galactic civ requires subscriptions.

Sure EA f'ed up and dropped the ball a few times, but after we buy the game we're giving them no more money, apart from the add-ons, and maybe the servers for rankings, they don't have to update, but fair play to them they do. Yeah i'm pissed at them but i'd be more pissed of if i was paying 20 quid a month subscriptions and they f***'ed up.

The day EA or any other game company release a patch\update and noone complains, is the day that i realise i'm dead and in heaven.

jonski

Just about every piece of software that comes out is bugged , some more so than others . Every version of windows was at it's most stable just before the next one came out , and you started all over again . The first place I go when I install a game is to it's home page and look for ver 1.01 . I have no ver 1.0 of any game on my pc .

We accept this , and have done for years . The problem with EA/Dice is that when they patched to make it better , they did in some places but that fix broke something else . To be at a stage , 12 months down the line , where you cannot play on servers without them or you crashing every 15 minutes is the worst situation I have seen in all my patch downloading years .

Some would say that we should be grateful that they bother to patch at all , but if we , the paying public , thought for one second that we would be buying a game that had no follow on support , we would very quickly stop buying from that source . So it is in EA/Dice's best interest to patch until they get it right , otherwise it effects future sales .

Whether you like the BF francise or not it is the biggest most complex FPS gaming experience around , and pretty much the first of it's kind , to get it all right was always going to be a challange . But they got us to fork out the money believing that they would get it right so now they most except the responsibility of following that through , or risk alienating a very large fan base .

TheHairyFairy

In my opinion the problem is that they are wasting their time adding features that no one wants while ignoring the real problems. As soon as 2142 was announced we should have realised BF2 was borked.

Fairy

ambro25

Re. the "stop crying in your soup and be thankful they made the game" argument,two things:

(i) I can fully accept (and have long done so) fixes here and there for bits and bobs that QA missed out and that only surfaces through emergent gameplay (for that's what BF2 is, really - a big combat sandbox). I've been playing PC games for well over 10 years, and am most familiar with 'patching'.

(ii) I cannot however accept to have to spend the better part of 2 hours or so to uninstall/reinstall/patch/repatch etc. nearly everytime a new patch is out. There just aren't enough hours in the day for me to do that - my bad and my own cross to bear, but just so.

Publishers have to recognise that not all of their customer base is mid-to-late teens or students with nothing better to do with themselves than fiddle about for hours to get a game working... As a matter of fact, certainly not where PC games are concerned, and I'd be mightily interested in getting to know the age distribution of BF2 players.

Then again, players of that age bracket with much disposable time today may well be players of my age bracket with next to no disposable time tomorrow. Then we'll see who's nagging at EA.

Ponster

Having to reinstall BF2 for a patch isn't normal and I don't think I've ever has to do it.
Have you considered a problem with your setup maybe?

projectmayhem

Sgt. Politeness wrote:

or dod:source. The dod:s devs actually use the dod forums and post to let players know how updates are coming along, hint at what type of content will be in upcoming updates, listen to player feedback etc...try getting that from EA

and not to take anything from valve, but i frequent a number of game-related forums where devs pop in every now and then to chat and field questions and take suggestions etc. i understand some dev teams pay one member of the QA squad to go online every few days to see what's going on...

AnCapaillMor wrote:

In all fairness theres not much you can change on DOD, no tanks, no planes, no c4, medics etc. Dod is beautiful because it's basic, all you do is improve with little tweaks, a map here, not too many oppurtunities to f'up.

while i agree about tanks and planes, weapons and player classes are there... and the very basic game core is the same (choosing a class, capping flags, killing enemies). BF2 just has a few more interactions from class-to-class. but BF2's support guys can drop ammo around, just like BF2.. so if valve wanted to add medics, they could very easily.

as for vehicles, i'd point to red orchestra... same engine, same idea.. works better then BF2.

AnCapaillMor wrote:

Sure EA f'ed up and dropped the ball a few times, but after we buy the game we're giving them no more money, apart from the add-ons, and maybe the servers for rankings, they don't have to update, but fair play to them they do. Yeah i'm pissed at them but i'd be more pissed of if i was paying 20 quid a month subscriptions and they f***'ed up.

if EA/DICE charged monthly subs and messed up you'd find people using their BF2 skills to pick off employee's

AnCapaillMor wrote:

The day EA or any other game company release a patch\update and noone complains, is the day that i realise i'm dead and in heaven.

valve have updated and patched their games every few weeks since the release of steam, and only once did i complain (when they borked the favourites thing)...

Jackabo

{DoWUK}Mossie

lol @jack

my bf2 is still fooked up and i've had no help from EA except tehy ask me retarded things like is my monitor plugged in so i told them to shove it, so now i have quit bf2 if tehy cant fix it then niether can i so its gone, and im better off :rolleyes: drunk and enjoying myself a hell of a lot more:D

so all together now UP yours EA:p

Jackabo

UP YOURS EA !! :d

Jackabo

Dont worry Ladies & Gents i have received an E-Mail From 2 of my close buddys at Ea & Dice ,and they have promised that both are hard at work in theyre office making sure that Bf 2142 will not be as bugged as Bf2..

They have even sent a pic for proof
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/jackabo/EaDice2.jpg

Sgt. Politeness

And ive recieved confirmation that EA are hard at work on thier latest patch

Jackabo

lmao

Sgt. Politeness

Jackabo wrote:

Dont worry Ladies & Gents i have received an E-Mail From 2 of my close buddys at Ea & Dice ,and they have promised that both are hard at work in theyre office making sure that Bf 2142 will not be as bugged as Bf2..

They have even sent a pic for proof
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/jackabo/EaDice2.jpg

lol youre a bad man jack

Tjarn

I got my self a beta screenshot from 1.4:D

Nietzschean

AnCapaillMor wrote:

Sure EA f'ed up and dropped the ball a few times, but after we buy the game we're giving them no more money, apart from the add-ons, and maybe the servers for rankings, they don't have to update, but fair play to them they do. Yeah i'm pissed at them but i'd be more pissed of if i was paying 20 quid a month subscriptions and they f***'ed up.

The day EA or any other game company release a patch\update and noone complains, is the day that i realise i'm dead and in heaven.

I'm sorry but wtf? , you sound as if you think patching released games is a new phenomon. Its around a long long time,heck there are games a decade old that are still being maintained with less patches than bf2!(e.g. starcraft ~same number or less patches). O and the whole thing of fourms being full of abuse over a patch is good, before everyone was bb enabled patches used to be well tested before release due to the effort in delivery. Now EA n co just fire them out willy nilly because they know they can release a hotfix the next day if they break something major. There was no excuse in the wide earthly world for the memory leaks in the first patch, a 12 year old programmer would have noticed them in testing and not released the patch until it was fixed. Did they never compile the patch and test it at all before shipping? Like really the server versions were eating up ram(64player version took something like 600megs with a few minutes.........).

No sorry i've no sympathy for EA/Dice in all this, and whatever about buying that product, i did it based on the strength of the previous battlefield games, I won't be buying any other EA/Dice combos.

ambro25

Ponster wrote:

Having to reinstall BF2 for a patch isn't normal and I don't think I've ever has to do it.
Have you considered a problem with your setup maybe?

As I posted, my setup on my 'online' rig is plain vanilla, has always been from day one. Never once installed a mod or tweaked any files or added a file or another (heck! I don't even know what that config or system file in windows that other posters have mentioned in other threads is about!), not even once added a new map or anything: straight off the DVD, then patches downloaded from EA only.

So, no, I don't think it's 'my setup' (which, of itself, hasn't had any new software/hardware installed in the last 2 or 3 months, any virus/trojans or otherwise 'abnormal behaviour' and was playing BF2 just fine before patch 1.3).

[As you may vaguely remember from other threads in here, I be the guy who's got BF2 running on a 'vanilla' Dell D600 lappie, and I'm using that offline-only to test maps/mods/etc, so I don't risk f*cking up my main install for online play, what with PB and all that - some use, after all that!]

KdjaCL

I had to reinstall windows due to Bf2 but thats normal. And coming from Bf42 it was normal then and only BFV being th emost stable sort of.



kdjac

jonski

KdjaC wrote:

I had to reinstall windows due to Nf2 but thats normal. And coming from Bf42 it was normal then and only BFV being th emost stable sort of.

kdjac

I also had to reinstall windows because BF2 would play ( I couldn't join any servers without crashing ), think in the end it turned out to be a PB problem , but a format was the only way of fixing it . Think that was around the 1.03 patch .

pucan

jonski wrote:

Whether you like the BF francise or not it is the biggest most complex FPS gaming experience around , and pretty much the first of it's kind , to get it all right was always going to be a challange.

I think the creators of Operation Flashpoint and Armed Assault might have something to say about that.

KdjaCL

pucan wrote:

I think the creators of Operation Flashpoint and Armed Assault might have something to say about that.

Never seen 64 players on an Op Flash server :0


kdjac

bizmark

KdjaC wrote:

I had to reinstall windows due to Bf2 but thats normal. And coming from Bf42 it was normal then and only BFV being th emost stable sort of.



kdjac

Er its normal to have to reinstall windows? i havent reintstalled xp in 3 years in that time iv had bf 1942 vietnam and bf 2 installed

d22ontour

Tjarn wrote:

I got my self a beta screenshot from 1.4:D

Class.

spooky donkey

Well im a bit p1ssed at them for sure with this patch. My EF no longer works and im fed up kicking the hotel hackers off our server. im suprised no one here has mentioned the easy hacks the new patch has brought. Getting inside buildings with the vechicle drops, im sure there are loads that can be done as well.

ambro25

Well, after my rant and all that, I still came back for more :rolleyes:

Reinstalled BF2, downloaded full patch and not the incremental this time (these incrementals are proving to be a nice waste of bandwidth).

It works...ish. I keep dropping connections to servers at about the hour, every hour, give or take a minute.

And I've never once experienced cheats/hacks online (talk about knowing to pick the right servers), but saw my first one last night - well, I got fragged for my penance, so hypnotized/astounded was I: I was in the middle of the bridge having at an AT guy near the derailed train across the bridge on Karkand (top middle-ish of 64 map), guy dives in water to avoid my 'nade, I lob a few more for good measure... WTF do you know, he appears on the other side of he bridge, having swam under the bridge and scaled the vertical pillar/support, f*** knows how! (I saw him 'climb' the last three tiers of stone blocks!)

Zillah

ambro25

Considering the workmanship (of the patches, not your outstanding Photoshoppage skills, Zillah ), I can't help but picture red-only or blue-only player tags at some update stage, instead of the DeathStar or a parachuting RIB, LOL! (too much hassle and too late for me to indulge in required photoshoppage, though )

projectmayhem

Zillah wrote:

nah instead of doing that patch they're releasing a full price mod called "battlefield 2142"

Evd-Burner

Lol and there going to be using the same engine for 2142 as they do for bf2, hmm wonder how many installs i will need this time, 5-10 im thinking...

Fallschirmjager

well i have been around the games block a few times, and Bf2, to be fair, it is a huge development. from a software point (where i work), i do sometimes sit back and think, fuk me, this is huge, the whole medal, measurement, team jobbie has got to be complex. i play a lot of DOD, and like bf2, the early stages of steam engine, it was a bug ridden mess. there does appear to be a difference of approches tho. the steam crowd did keep the games simple, but they work. i do get the impression EA are on some drug crazed mod rush. they seem to be blinded about what the 'could' do versus what they should do. protecting your fanbase should be priority number 1. the patches are having exactly the opposite effect. the fact that they charge for modifications to me just dont appear to make a lot of sense, altho i can understand it from EA's point of view..its money for jam. i have applied a few of the patches and in some of them, they dont even change the version number in the about box! that to me is a sure sign of shoddy workmanship and it smells of a team of developers running to catch up. i would be prepared to bet, most of their senior developers want to work on mods, leaving the core to the new hires. that is a bad idea. the comments on the first page about 'we should be happy regardless, no one is forcing us to play' just doesnt hold water. the purpose of buying something for money, is we have entered a contractual arrangement. for this amount of money i get this. now we are all aware that bugs exist, but this microsoft approch to development will not work for ea. for one, there are a lot of other games other there vying for my attention. amazing as bf2 is, if it is buggy, i will take my money elsewhere - and i am talking about avoiding purchasing all EA games, not just bf2. blinding us with mod after chargeable mod, wont work in the long run. games players are a very fickle bunch, myself included. altho bf2 is amazing, it is not worth much if i am continually asked to apply huge patches, and as one guy here already wrote, it suffered memory leaks. any developer worth their salt, this is one of the first issues with every game on this planet. releasing it with such poor testing will hurt ea in the medium/long term, and we can see the fallout from that already. for instance, if they release another game, (not bf2), i am not sure people will fall for the same BS. so they guy who says that we should be happy, needs to think a little further ahead. that sales approach where i am am treated like fodder, and treated as a fool, will not make EA profitable in the longrun.

to fix these problems, will need a change of management at EA. they need to stop modding and start fixing. because gamers are fickle, it is not always a bad fickle...one or two good patches, tested and working, will give them a lot of credability. however it will mean EA will have to repoint their priorities away from 10 euro mods, which i am sure is profitable for them back to the core of the game. once they have a core stable platform, they can plough out mod after mod.

the poor sales of euro forces should be a red flag. that to me points at player frustration. lets be honest, 10 euro is not a lot, but the fact that people WONT pay it, speaks volumes, or at least it should if EA was listening.

i like to play it, but again, i have a life, so if it comes to spending an hour getting it working, or just letting steam update itself automatically, well i will pick the latter....even if it is poorer...

complexity and scope is great, but only if it works...

thats just my tuppeence worth...

Jackabo

^^^

R0ot

Jackabo wrote:

^^^

the right thing said as always Jack