My Spiritual meetings are not "Tours"

mysteria

I have noticed a number of comments regarding what people are calling my "Tours" and want to clarify my involvement and work with the "Most Haunted Ireland" project. Firstly I am not, and have no intention of being, a tour guide. [EDIT Advertisement]. The concept was the result of an idea put to Con by Historian Richard Felix, when the "Most Haunted" program filmed episodes in Kinnitty, Charleville & Leap Castle. Richard takes people on tours of haunted areas in Derbyshire where he lives and intended to do the same in Offaly. I went to Kinnitty for the first time last October to do a Samhain broadcast for TV3, Richard Felix was there taking a group on tours of the 3 Castles, and he asked me to become involved because of my Spiritual and Psychic experience. Richard started filming another series of Most Haunted (which I refused to take part in) so I wrote some material for the mosthauntedireland website, introducing the concept of the "Mystic Triangle", with the intention of having Celebrations of the 8 yearly Pagan festivals in the area of the Slievebloom mountains, and at the stone circle in the grounds of Kinnitty, as well as visits to the 3 Castles. I give advice and share techniques with people interested in Psychic development, Healing, Spirits etc., and intend setting up worskhops & a Spiritual meeting place for my colleagues worldwide in of the most Sacred parts of Ireland. I receive no money at all for the work I do, just get free accommodation and meals in Kinnitty while working there. So the format has changed completely since I've taken over. Warren Coates and N.I.P.R.A. are joining me for our Summer Solstice celebrations, which will involve Magical work in Mystical places, and Warren hopes to continue bringing Spiritual Groups to the South as we want to form a North/South/International Spiritual alliance working together for national and global Peace & Healing. I hope this clears up any misconceptions people have regarding my Mystic/Haunted Triangle involvement.


EDITED Advertisement link. Psi

mysteria

Editing flaw - Psi

Gordon

Will this be the end of your advertising now?

mysteria

Gordon wrote:

Will this be the end of your advertising now?

I have no need to use this board for advertising as I broadcast nationally and internationally both on TV and Radio and write for 2 of the largest newpaper groups in the world. Try and keep to the topic.

Gordon

I couldn't give a monkeys what you broadcast, where. And I couldn't care less if your tours are meetings or not.

I'm asking you to cut down on posts that blatantly seem like you are advertising something.

If you wish to advertise your tours/meetings then feel free to pay for it like other companies.

mysteria

Gordon wrote:

I couldn't give a monkeys what you broadcast, where. And I couldn't care less if your tours are meetings or not.

I'm asking you to cut down on posts that blatantly seem like you are advertising something.

If you wish to advertise your tours/meetings then feel free to pay for it like other companies.

You asked, I answered. q.e.d. Please keep future posts on topic! I am sharing information with other Spiritual people who visit this board and who are interested in the paranormal, not arguments.

Gordon

mysteria, I'm serious. You have advertised "most haunted" on more than one occasion. Plus this thread on Paganism and Spirituality. The paganism thread was deleted by the mod.

Therefore I am calling this thread as I see it - advertising, hence the topic is about 'free advertising' in my books, and if you persist in trying to advertise on boards for free I'll siteban you for it. OK?

Maybe I should speak in a language you understand:

"Please keep future posts without advertising!"

Zillah

Mysteria wrote:

I am sharing information with other Spiritual people who visit this board and who are interested in the paranormal, not arguments.

So we can talk about the paranormal with you, as long as we take everything as gospel truth from you? I think the Thundedome discussion has shown that thats not going to be happening anytime soon.

Wanna answer all those questions you said you'd answer? Most of them are quite relevant to your tours and role as spiritual guide.

mysteria

Gordon, I'm VERY serious here. Are you a mod? if so kindly find out who edited my signature.If not stop telling me what I can and can't do! I am not advertising anything anywhere, I have very right to say what I want on this board. There are people who are interested in Spirituality on the paranormal boards, and many people, I assume, are interested in both.

solas

Sandra, I understand you just want to set the record straight re the issues that were raised last week, just remove the url.

Gordon

mysteria wrote:

Gordon, I'm VERY serious here. Are you a mod? if so kindly find out who edited my signature.If not stop telling me what I can and can't do! I am not advertising anything anywhere, I have very right to say what I want on this board. There are people who are interested in Spirituality on the paranormal boards, and many people, I assume, are interested in both.

Yes I'm a mod, I can siteban people and edit people's signatures. I have no idea who edited your sig though.

I'll say this one last time just so that you understand fully:

Stop advertising yourself and events connected to yourself on boards.ie. If you continue to advertise without paying boards.ie any fair dues I will personally siteban you. It may be temporary or it may be permanent.

You do not have "every right" to say what you want on this board. You do not have to pay for the continual expenses that this board runs up every year, so why should boards.ie foot the bill for your blatant advertising? (that was a rhetorical question, please don't answer it)

solas wrote:

Sandra, I understand you just want to set the record straight re the issues that were raised last week, just remove the url.

That would be a good start.

Zillah

mysteria wrote:

Gordon, I'm VERY serious here. Are you a mod? if so kindly find out who edited my signature.If not stop telling me what I can and can't do! I am not advertising anything anywhere, I have very right to say what I want on this board. There are people who are interested in Spirituality on the paranormal boards, and many people, I assume, are interested in both.

You see where it says "Gordon", look a bit lower and you'll see it says "SMod", which stands for "Super Moderator", which means "Do not argue with". And the only people who have the power to edit your signature are also "Do not argue with" people. And you have no rights here, nor do I. Anything we do or say here is at the liberty of the site owners.

po0k

mysteria wrote:

Gordon, I'm VERY serious here. Are you a mod?

mysteria wrote:

If not stop telling me what I can and can't do! I am not advertising anything anywhere, I have very right to say what I want on this board.

Oryx

It really does pay to know whose who here. I was cringing as I watched this pan out.

Im sure there are some people here who could self promote to the same degree, but they choose not to, because a)it p!sses off the mods, and b) it gets really tiresome for other users. That said, I do try and read your posts as if you are simply sharing and not promoting and you often have really good stuff to say, but sometimes you do lay it on thick.

mysteria

I'm interesting in finding out how everyone else can set up arrangements for investigations, meetings and parties on the boards without criticism, I posted twice about events on this board without criticism from mods. I have removed anything referring to my ""TOURS"""" so what's the problem now?

Oryx

mysteria wrote:

I'm interesting in finding out how everyone else can set up arrangements for investigations, meetings and parties on the boards without criticism, I posted twice about events on this board without criticism from mods. I have removed anything referring to my ""TOURS"""" so what's the problem now?

Just possibly because no money is involved. Best ask Gordon tho.

mysteria

Sorry but I've seen prices discussed for trips to Charleville, 40euro a night if I recall, and discussions about £400 to visit another Castle, in UK. I personally don't make any money as I said before, now that I realise everyone takes it that way I've removed all references. I don't self-promote either because I have no need to, I'm not trying to sell products, or look for clients as I don't offer any fee-paying services to the public. KatieK please don't think I'm arguing with you, I wish Love & Light, just trying to set the record straight :-)

Zillah

Alright so maybe we just don't trust you.

Oryx

mysteria wrote:

Sorry but I've seen prices discussed for trips to Charleville, 40euro a night if I recall, and discussions about £400 to visit another Castle, in UK. I personally don't make any money as I said before, now that I realise everyone takes it that way I've removed all references. I don't self-promote either because I have no need to, I'm not trying to sell products, or look for clients as I don't offer any fee-paying services to the public. KatieK please don't think I'm arguing with you, I wish Love & Light, just trying to set the record straight :-)

I try my best never to argue here at all. Those fees are to other people, noone here is earning anything, afaik.

It would seem you have come across a bit differently than you would have liked. And Ill repeat what I said in Thunderdome, some of the hassle youre getting you have put in for. Im glad youve clarified your status, it has come across to more than me that you were here in part to promote yourself. Ill leave you to deal with the flaming coming from other quarters....

stormkeeper

mysteria wrote:

Sorry but I've seen prices discussed for trips to Charleville, 40euro a night if I recall, and discussions about £400 to visit another Castle, in UK.

Thing about this is though that they're investigations of a location, while they may be somewhat regular, they're not covered under the same rules as the events you do are. Paranormal orgs are also non-profit organisations and have always been so. I don't have the energy to go into a big rant about investigations at the moment, but suffice to say, I may do so later on, considering I'm one of the people who have been at the forefront of organising these trips.

And regarding payment, I really don't handle that... it's the location that makes the price. I just negotiate the prices with the location, nothing more. That £400 was actually €400, and that was what Ross Castle was asking for, which is again €40 per person (max of 10 people). The castles charging the rates are not businesses, and never have been, to my knowledge. They're charities, so wouldn't work on a profit-driven principle, like the Haunted Triangle, Mystic Triangle apears to. In my eyes, they tend to be business ventures, as opposed to charities, albeit something I wouldn't be willing to give a proper opinion on till I've seen it in action. Either way, the models for Ross and Charleville are different to the Triangle stuff, from what I see anyway. I'm open to correction on this, but that's the way I see things, nothing more and nothing less.

Nothing wrong with Triangle's method though. If it gets interested people then fair play, but at the end of the day, I think what the issue is here is that because Triangle is a business venture as opposed to a charity (ccorrect me here?), there is "free advertising" for it which Boards has had trouble with in the past, and even in the presents. If the organisers of the events wanted to pay for an adverisement on Boards, then there wouldn't be any problems.


That's my 2 pence (Euros suck! j/k) anyway.


I really need to stop ranting so much though, heh. Granted the issue may be over and done with now, but I really needed to get that off my chest.

mysteria

It is not a business venture Kennett, the place in question was giving me the opportunity to get rooms at 1/3 the price so people who wanted to stay in a haunted Castle got the chance. For the price of a B&B in Dublin people were able to stay because I arranged it that way as you of all people know. The Spiritual events were all free, for example I brought a group of students there from D.C.U. yesterday who want to do their Masters theses on the Haunted Triangle, staff told them about their experiences, then I brought them to Leap, couldn't contact CC, they just drove from Dublin and back and all it cost was thir entrance fee to Leap. You know, the girls I was trying to put in contact with you? But attack me if you like, I just thought you knew me better and were above that sort of thing.

Gordon

mysteria I thought that this thread was a clarification on the fact that people have been calling what you do "tours" and you are correcting them by calling them "meetings".

You twice said that you weren't advertising anything.

"I am not advertising anything anywhere"
"I have no need to use this board for advertising"

Now, either this thread is advertising or it's a clarification on whether or not you do "tours" or "meetings". If it's the former then you know how I feel about advertising, I don't think I need to reclarify. If it's the latter then I would like to ask you to keep to the topic.

And if it is the former, then I'm surprised that you are still advertising your meetups considering the fact that you said:
"I am not advertising anything anywhere"
"I have no need to use this board for advertising"

So can you at least be honest and say that you were advertising? Come on, fess up, you were advertising and you were covering it up with a smudge of "meetings" vs "tours". Don't worry I won't ban you for admitting that you were advertising (as it is obvious you were) but I think you've shown yourself to be a little dishonest in your methods of transferring information.

stormkeeper

mysteria wrote:

It is not a business venture Kennett, the place in question was giving me the opportunity to get rooms at 1/3 the price so people who wanted to stay in a haunted Castle got the chance. For the price of a B&B in Dublin people were able to stay because I arranged it that way as you of all people know.

I am not attacking you in the slightest, I even said I was open to correction on the stuff. If I was attacking someone, I'd be much more aggressive like that. When I mean a "business venture," I mean something that's on a large scale, which most likely someone designed to make some money on, even if not a lot. I mean, surely someone like myself would have to be very lucky to be able to have someone like Richard Felix on more than one of the investigations (if any at all) that I organise. I also wouldn't be able to get involved in the things that you do, ie: the Mystical and Haunted Triangles, seeing that's such a large scale for someone like me.

The Spiritual events were all free, for example I brought a group of students there from D.C.U. yesterday who want to do their Masters theses on the Haunted Triangle, staff told them about their experiences, then I brought them to Leap, couldn't contact CC, they just drove from Dublin and back and all it cost was thir entrance fee to Leap. You know, the girls I was trying to put in contact with you?

That's fair enough regrading this.... I'm sure, or rather I hope I'm sure that people wouldn't have minded you posting about the free event

But attack me if you like, I just thought you knew me better and were above that sort of thing.

It really concerns me if you think this is an attack to be honest. If you knew me, then you know I don't attack people. I say what I think and am open to correction on everything. There was also the fact that you talked about investigations, which I'm directly involved with, and thus I was obligated to respond. Surely I'm able to clarify my position regarding the investigations? It actually hurts me quite a lot that you think I'm attacking you, for if you really knew me, then you'd know that I don't attack people, because it isn't my thing. If saying what I feel or think about things is an attack, then I guess we're all guilty of it because everyone says what they think...

Either way, I haven't the energy at the moment to really go too much into this at the moment, so I'm leaving it here, though again, if you think I'm attacking you, you are very much mistaken. I was merely saying how I see things, I was even asking for clarification. I'm human, I don't get everything right all the time. How am I supposed to be corrected if I don't get out what I think? Should I keep quiet and just hope that I'm right? I'm sorry that I got things wrong, but like I said I'm not attacking you at all, and if you think that, I request that you read over what I said and tell me where I attacked you, because I can't clarify my position unless you do. If you can't provide any proof that I attacked you, then I am afraid I'll have to concede that I've done nothing of the sort.

Even now, I write this befeft of any emotion, except for being slightly upset that you think I'd attack you, but we can forget that because overall, it doesn't affect the neutral tone of my post.

The ball is in your court...

Andy



On a totally unrelated note, I need a drink!

solas

Sandra, it's not worth the effort, just leave them to it.

GuanYin

Right.

I have ahad it up to here with all this.

I'm implimenting a zero tolerence policy on paranormal. Effective immediately.

I don't care who you are or what your status is, this form is for discussion of PARANORMAL.

Not people advertising, not clarifications on peoples spirtual meetings and not semantics about people who are advertsiing or not.

So very clearly. Mysteria - you have "promoted" on boards before and admitted so (I hav ethe PM you sent me off your own bat). I have no doubt about your promoting. I'm happy with mentions of events, it helps the community and forum people get into the area. All out adverts are a nono. and if they happen again, bans will follow.

Everyone else who came her to have a pop. I DON'T CARE WHAT THE EXCUSE IS, I won't let ot pass again.

Gordon, I understand your issues with mysteria and I understand you pursuing them. However, not at the expense of the forum rules. They apply to everyone. PM or feedback would have been the appropriate place for you to discuss this with mysteria. This forum is not and if you want to force a cofession from her. Don't do it here. I can't ban you but I will edit and remove your future offending posts.


So EVERYONE, I'm not happy with the amountof moderation I've had to do of late. Its more than should be required for a forum of this nature. I'll be handing striaght out bans for blatant violations of the charter until the forum calmns down.