What to do?

bman

25 euro live MTT

9 handed.
Hero: 3,350 Villian: about 5,500
Blinds: 50/100

Villian seems fairly loose passive. Enters a lot of pots if it hasn't already been raised, or only raised by a small amount.

I pick up Qc Qh in SB.
7 limpers and I raise to 800.
BB calls and everyone else folds.

Flop
Ac Kh 10c

chk, chk

Turn
Jc

chk, villian raises 1000.

What to do?

Should I have bet the flop? Was thinking afterwards I probably should have put a raise in there of about 700 - 1000 to see where I stood, but was worried about the two overcards.

careca

Stick it all in . Are you afraid of the flush ? Think I could be missing something here.

Lafortezza

All-in.

Hectorjelly

You know you have a straight? and the 2nd nut flush draw? Depending on the player and how tight he is Id do one of two things, flat call or go all in. Absent of a read im probably pushing, he may well have a queen and you are freerolling him. (unless he has KcQ). On dry board with no redraw a flat call is probably better.

bman

Yep, I was half afraid of the flush, couldn't see what he could have called the raise with pre flop to make it though. I go all in and he turns over Kc 9c and I'm gone. I couldn't see how he called this pre flop. At least I know now that other people would have went all in so I'm happy enough with the play.

El Stuntman

I don't understand this post, what is the point?

unless there is some deep philosophical stuff going down here??

careca

bman wrote:

Yep, I was half afraid of the flush, couldn't see what he could have called the raise with pre flop to make it though. I go all in and he turns over Kc 9c and I'm gone. I couldn't see how he called this pre flop. At least I know now that other people would have went all in so I'm happy enough with the play.

I wouldn't worry about it. If you had bet the flop, even with the ace, he was probably calling anyway. Just ul.

Hitman Actual

El Stuntman wrote:

I don't understand this post, what is the point?

Genuine question, just wondering if you should call with the straight knowing you could be beaten. And the answer is yes.

bman, not a lot you can do here, especially with your stack size. Raise pre-flop is ok with so many limpers, but it doesn't leave you much room to play on the flop. A flop bet is obviously better, but it means that you're getting short. Still, I think I bet 600/700, leaving you with about 18BBs which is ok if you decide to get out of the hand on the turn. If you bet that and he calls, you know you're probably behind, but once the J hits, you're going all the way with the hand. He's just as likely to have AT or KT/KJ as the flush. He played it bad but hit a monster flop.

Another thing, with a game as loose as this (7 limpers!!) I might just push pre-flop hoping to get called by a lower pair or Ax. If you dont get called, you pick up 800 in dead money, which is ok for QQ out of position.


BTW, please use "bet" for the first bet on the flop! One of my pet hates is players using "raise" for the first action. Drives me mental.

5starpool

lenny_leonard wrote:

BTW, please use "bet" for the first bet on the flop! One of my pet hates is players using "raise" for the first action. Drives me mental.

Motion seconded. When I occasionally point out 'it is a bet not a raise' I usually get blank looks.

Funniest thing I seen in a while though was last night Phil Taylor was in the UK Open (may have been british one, but you get the gist). He was first to act after the flop and he announced 'Call'. His opponent said 'You mean Check?' and Phil affirmed he did. He did the same thing on the river though

He should stick to the darts.

jtsuited

5starpool wrote:

Funniest thing I seen in a while though was last night Phil Taylor was in the...

Dom, did we leave our grammar at home today?
Funniest thing I saw, dom

or

Funniest thing I've seen.

The Ace Face

Similar scenario last nite in WSOP

I'm in BB and have KK
Blinds 15/30

Bet of 120 with 4 callers maybe 5

I have 4.5k..easy CL at table

I push allin...takeout drawing hands, make it look like I don't really want a call with AQ/AJ/AK etc

Worked out perfect...1 caller for 2k...he had 77...no improvment...

Its an option...but I get stung so much by dodgy K9s callers I sometimes like the dead money

Ray

5starpool

jtsuited wrote:

Dom, did we leave our grammar at home today?
Funniest thing I saw, dom

or

Funniest thing I've seen.

Sorry Jeff. Please excuse my disgraceful and unforgivable lapse in grammatical correctness. Me no at ful cpacety toodey.

Boie

Easy all in. If you happen to be behind you have the flush draw to hit.

Hectorjelly

Boie wrote:

Easy all in. If you happen to be behind you have the flush draw to hit.

if your behind then you will either be drawing either dead or to 2 less outs than you might think