I folded this?? AA cherry.

MadsL

Tribeca $5 MTT

two tables left...
I have tournament CL by about 40%
Hero MP AA
4 limpers, I make min raise (I know...not happy with that..)
Button re-min raises, others fold I smooth call
Flop 77J two spades.
I bet 2BB
Button makes it 4BB (healthy stack - about 70% of mine)
I Call
Turn 7x 7s Js 9s
I bet 1/2 pot
Button re-raises min.

Long think.....player is LAG and liable to be playing a wide range..

Gah...

Thinking I want to protect my CL and if this goes to showdown I hand him a very decent CL - my first time ever folding AA (!) - any thoughts.

Probably should have put him on AJ, TT-KK and called him down.

Jaden

This is a "Circus" hand. - Full of clown plays.

Min raising with AA - Bad.
Smooth calling a min-reraise - Bad.

Betting 2 BB into a 9.5BB pot on the flop - Bad.
Smooth calling a min raise on the flop - Bad.

In fact, every decision in this hand looks bad.

brianmc

MadsL wrote:

Tribeca $5 MTT

two tables left...
I have tournament CL by about 40%
Hero MP AA
4 limpers, I make min raise (I know...not happy with that..)
Button re-min raises, others fold I smooth call
Flop 77J two spades.
I bet 2BB
Button makes it 4BB (healthy stack - about 70% of mine)
I Call
Turn 7x 7s Js 9s
I bet 1/2 pot
Button re-raises min.

Long think.....player is LAG and liable to be playing a wide range..

Gah...

Thinking I want to protect my CL and if this goes to showdown I hand him a very decent CL - my first time ever folding AA (!) - any thoughts.

Probably should have put him on AJ, TT-KK and called him down.

Have you had a deep dark burning urge to fold aces for a long time now? You might need to get that seen to.

Your last sentence answers the rest of your post.

fuzzbox

Wow, this hand sux on every street, with every move that you made.

Dont play any hand like this ever again, and you will be a better poker player.

ntlbell

I was discussing this hand with josie, she sells fruit and veg there in town, her reply was "Scarlet for ye chungfella"

ianmc38

I'd have called that in a heartbeat. Is he really re-minraising preflop with AJ or 7x? I dont think so. It's one of the most horrible hands of poker I've ever seen.

On a sidenote, you should get used to folding aces. How many hands of poker have you played to have only folded them once?

WH BONNEY

Scary. Hope your poker brain returns soon. I get the feeling your taking the **** with this post

kincsem

Ask Nicky O'D

As far as i know he was knocked out in a Pokerevents tourney in Sligo holding AA. He made it cheap to play and the flop had 77x. Exit Nicky.

Hitman Actual

ianmc38 wrote:

On a sidenote, you should get used to folding aces. How many hands of poker have you played to have only folded them once?

Interesting, I've only ever had to fold them twice in four years (one was last week), but of the other times the money went in, I've only once been behind. Maybe that's because I dont play much cash games these days, where I assume you have to fold them a lot more.

ianmc38

Over cash game 25k hands i've folded them a fair few times on paired boards or dangerous boards.

I folded them two weeks ago when there was four to a flush on the board and I had trip As. That was sick.

I've probably folded them less than ten times live.

kincsem

I folded AA when the flop was three middle cards and a young player made a large bet. It was early in the tourney and I showed. He didn't but I guess he had top pair with a good kicker. He could have flopped a straight but more likely a pair with a straight draw.

Norwich Fan Rob

4 limpers so i min raise, a min re raise, they all call, so i call, pure comical genius !!

MadsL

Have you had a deep dark burning urge to fold aces for a long time now? You might need to get that seen to

Part of the reason for posting, I also want to remind myself how horribly I played the hand...:o I know I'm a muppet, in my defence I finished 2nd in the tournie, probably would have won it had I played this correctly. Ironically HU with this guy - emotionally damaged after folding AA! (Pretty sure this is the first time I have folded them in a tournie, cash games I have folded a few times)

4 limpers so i min raise, a min re raise, they all call, so i call, pure comical genius !!

Ironically read an article on the dangers of minraising 3 days before this - lesson learnt..

There are all sorts of ways I shoulda coulda woulda have played this, but I got myself in the doo doo by the turn.

Now leaving aside all the cr ap play up to this point.

Board 7x 7s Js 9s

Chip lead. AA No spades, out of position. LAG Villian has min raised on each street. You still have him covered by 30%. What's your play with AA on a flushed paired board?

Check, Teaser bet, Pot, Overbet or Push ??

5starpool

MadsL wrote:

Now leaving aside all the cr ap play up to this point.

Board 7x 7s Js 9s

Chip lead. AA No spades, out of position. LAG Villian has min raised on each street. You still have him covered by 30%. What's your play with AA on a flushed paired board?

Check, Teaser bet, Pot, Overbet or Push ??

min raise him.......

fuzzbox

Go all in, he probably has KK.

WH BONNEY

Fold out of turn. You are obviously more interested in cashing than winning. Speed up the hand & fold as u know he is going to make a bet and u dont want to risk any more of your chips. Wait for a better pocket pair to come along :mad: :mad: :mad:

NickyOD

kincsem wrote:

Ask Nicky O'D

As far as i know he was knocked out in a Pokerevents tourney in Sligo holding AA. He made it cheap to play and the flop had 77x. Exit Nicky.

That was a little different.

I limped on the button when shortstacked into 2 overaggressive fish in the blinds. Flop 7-7-x. The BB bets out more than what's in the pot. I go all in. He has K-7. .

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Go all in, he probably has KK.

he deffo has KK or QQ here.

MadsL

You are obviously more interested in cashing than winning.

Obviously. This is a bad thing?? Not like there's a single WSOP ticket up for grabs, or should I be playing win or die trying? I prefer 2nd to nowt.

I've ballsed the play up to the turn slowplaying trying to keep someone in for value, now I have to start thinking the reverse about not getting killed in this hand.

Now there are plenty of hands that a LAG could be holding that have me drawing very slim. Any hand in spades, He's got 'creative' with T8, and got lucky, He has a 7, or he's playing JJ or 99 very oddly then I'm drawing to 2 outs. He has A high flush, one out. . pretty much dead against any of these.

OK say push here, perhaps he's on an overpair and well behind, but holding a single spade gives him outs for a four flush. I'm 70% to win the hand, sure and I can't ask for much better than that. But am I 100% he has an overpair?
Lets say it's about 50-50 he holds either an overpair or a hand already better than a pair. I'm 70% favourite and 5% dog respectively. Average = 37.5% to win the hand. Push doesn't look so good. I win - monster lead. I lose I'm struggling. At worst (folding) I share the lead with him and take a better shot to come over the top.

Will he fold to an all-in? Not much evidence of this - he's a player that likes the chips to go in the middle. So I can say at best it's a less than coinflip. I'll take that when shortstacked or against a shortstack pre-flop, but here probably not an optimum time to go flipping coins. Long way to go yet.

You feel that sting, big boy, huh? That's pride FCKIN' with you! You gotta fight through that ****! Butch - Pulp Fiction

Ah feck it, should have pushed!!!!

brianmc

I'm reading and reading but I can't find the coinflip.


Board: 7c 7s 9s Js
Dead:

_______ equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 24.4060 % 23.50% 00.90% { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 75.5940 % 74.69% 00.90% { AcAh }

MadsL

Board: 7c 7s 9s Js
Dead:

_______ equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 24.4060 % 23.50% 00.90% { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 75.5940 % 74.69% 00.90% { AcAh }

This assumes he has overpair/TPTK.

Against other possible holdings

pokenum -h ac ah - 9h 9c -- 7c 7s 9s js
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing Js 9s 7s 7c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ah 2 4.55 42 95.45 0 0.00 0.045
9c 9h 42 95.45 2 4.55 0 0.00 0.955

Ac Ah 3 6.82 41 93.18 0 0.00 0.068
As Ts 41 93.18 3 6.82 0 0.00 0.932

and perhaps he's a lover of our friend 72o -
Ac Ah 2 4.55 42 95.45 0 0.00 0.045
2c 7h 42 95.45 2 4.55 0 0.00 0.955

so my reasoning is he's probably 50-50 to hold better than a pair. If I'm ahead I'll win 70% of time, if he has better than a pair I'll lose 95% of the time.
(70+5)/2 = average 37% to win the hand - worse than a coinflip.

fuzzbox

you have 2pair mad.
he has KK, you should go all-in.

brianmc

fuzzbox wrote:

you have 2pair mad.
he has KK, you should go all-in.

Forget pokerstove.

Fuzz is right.

MadsL

Sure he has KK??? Is he min raising on every street with Kings?

5starpool

MadsL wrote:

Sure he has KK??? Is he min raising on every street with Kings?

well you pretty much minraised most of the time with AA. He is probably just a terrible player who presses the 'Raise' button without adjusting anything else.

MadsL

He is probably just a terrible player who presses the 'Raise' button without adjusting anything else.

- nah, he played this badly as well, but was a decent, if LAG-ish player. He won it remember.

well you pretty much minraised most of the time with AA

fair point....think I just talked myself into 'feeling' behind - ah, well. I'll be pushing here in future (and cursing as I run into J7! :rolleyes: ) The tactics on this particular hand are wrong, but I think the stack preservation principle is growing with me - lost count of the times I've p1ssed away an early CL - usually calling "just 'cus I have the chips" looking to improve. Live and learn.

a-k-47

4 limpers, I make min raise (I know...not happy with that..)
Button re-min raises

This was a godsend to fix that min raise mistake... this was a push here to isolate the connected suiter brigade... 4 limpers with aa, suicidal... lesson learnt... button played qq,kk here terribly.

MadsL

Snippets from the 'it's my hand thread'

Originally Posted by YeAh!
I have a love/hate relationship with my AA or KK pocket pairs. I love them because YEAH i got AA!! I hate it coz I know i'll have to go all the way with them, even if I know in my heart the guy opposite me has something better!


....what sites do you play on and what's your username?

TBH Its the laydowns that get you in a position to win tournaments.

Finding all of this ironic, admittedly more of a 'I give up' than a laydown.

Moving on.....