HH - thoughts appreciated

niamhsdad

Appreciate the stakes in this HH are small beer to most of you guys, but your thoughts would be welcomed

$0.10/$0.20 cash hand on PPP, up to around $90 from original buy in of $40 after hitting sets from pocket pairs in 3 of the first 4 hands after I sat down at the table

Villain in this hand has been loose & aggressive, he’s massively overbet the pot on 3 previous occasions and been showing his hand after, once revealing a total bluff & twice top pair (kicker nothing to write home about either time). In about 20 mins at the table he’s nearly trebled his original $20 buy in

I’ve been quiet since he sat down but then pick up QQ in the BB – 2 limpers & SB completes, I raise to $1.40
All three call & flop comes J 9 8 rainbow
I bet $6, villain goes all in for around $50, other limper & SB fold

What’s my move here?

Thanks for reading

RoundTower

You say villain is constantly overbetting with bluffs and marginal hands. Now villain overbets the pot and you have an overpair and a straight draw and you're not sure what to do? Really?

I know I come off as a condescending prick here but I really don't think you are seriously looking for advice on how to play this hand.

jtsuited

easy there rt.

I think it's a valid question as OP could have possibly made the call based on the information he's given, and be beaten (or get outdrawn).
I reckon it's a good call but i have sneaking suspicion that you were either massively behind (made straight) or he hit his OESD.

Those .10/.20 levels can be mental, hence i don't rule out anything, including QT.

niamhsdad

RoundTower wrote:

You say villain is constantly overbetting with bluffs and marginal hands. Now villain overbets the pot and you have an overpair and a straight draw and you're not sure what to do? Really?

I know I come off as a condescending prick here but I really don't think you are seriously looking for advice on how to play this hand.

Roundtower

I’m trying to get advice from better & more experienced players than myself on what they would do in a similar situation.

Based on previous his actions he could have anything from J2 to Q10.

Guess what I should have asked is whether his an auto call based on what the villain has done previously or do you consider that his previous tactic of showing top pair/rags could have been setting up those paying close enough attention for an hand where he hits a monster?

brianmc

niamhsdad wrote:

Guess what I should have asked is whether his an auto call based on what the villain has done previously or do you consider that his previous tactic of showing top pair/rags could have been setting up those paying close enough attention for an hand where he hits a monster?

That depends on how good the player is. In this game against an otherwise unknown player, given the information you've provided, I'd call.

I think he is most likely to be at it again, but, admittedly, if he did land Aces or the like, he is probably smart enough to play it the same way too now that it is set up.

You are more likely ahead IMO.

Hitman Actual

niamhsdad wrote:

Guess what I should have asked is whether his an auto call based on what the villain has done previously or do you consider that his previous tactic of showing top pair/rags could have been setting up those paying close enough attention for an hand where he hits a monster?

It's possible, but his range is so wide and his play so erratic that if you're behind here, it's just plain unlucky. I've a feeling you lost the hand or you mightn't have posted it, but getting the money in here is correct.

Lafortezza

It's a tricky one since Villain has a massive possible range of hands. He could have the made straight he could have a pair and an straight draw, he could have a set, he could have absolutely nothing.

If you call then there's a reasonable chance you're ahead, or you could be way behind. Given Villains history it's hard to know which is true but even if you are behind at the moment, you have plenty of ways of winning the hand.
If Villain has top 2 pair, you could hit a Q, hit your straight or the board might pair the bottom card (or a running pair), all giving you the win.

So its a bit of a calculated gamble on a scary board like this but against this type of Villain you should really be calling here a high % of the time. Hopefully he had AJ and didn't hit.

5starpool

niamhsdad wrote:

Guess what I should have asked is whether his an auto call based on what the villain has done previously or do you consider that his previous tactic of showing top pair/rags could have been setting up those paying close enough attention for an hand where he hits a monster?

Has to be an autocall against this guy. I doubt he is Brunsonesque in his setting people up for a payday. You have said that his tactic in general is to overbet hugely. Of course he may have QT, T7 or a good draw with a pair such as T8.

I think what RoundTower was trying to gently suggest is that you know yourself that this is an autocall against this guy, but that you just want reassurance because it may not have turned out well on this occasion. Or then again maybe you folded and you want to know should you have. If thie latter is the case then ok, valid question. If the former is the case then unlucky but do the same again against someone playing this aggressively.

Jaden

I think the danger here is that people try to analyse poor players actions too much. At this level of play (which is where I play incidently), the ratio of clowns to decent players is about 50:1.

If you have a guy like this at the table, play harder pre-flop. QQ is worth a $3 raise with limpers.

pok3rplaya

He either has a draw, nothing or the nuts. Theres a greater chance he has a draw that your blocking or a bluff then the chance that he has the nuts so I call.

niamhsdad

It seems call is the unanimous favourite & that was what i did.

Turned over J8 to give him 2 pair, but the turn was a 9 giving me higher 2 pair and the fact the river was a 10 making me a straight was sort of irrelevant! My first $100 pot!!

Reason for this post was to get assurance that, despite the fact I'd won the hand, I'd made the sensible/correct decision in calling based on the info available to me.

Thanks to those who responded

Nd

fuzzbox

Jaden wrote:

If you have a guy like this at the table, play harder pre-flop. QQ is worth a $3 raise with limpers.

I think that, when we are this deep, then the opposite is true, given our out-of-position-ness.

To the Original Poster:
When you say villain has been overbetting ... do you mean moving-in? Or just betting more than the pot in general?

Has he been moving in when others have shown significant strength?
Has he been moving in when you (being deep) have shown significant strength?