Am I a prude?

connie147

Playing last night in a €15,000 gtd tourney,down to last two tables so all players left were pretty capable.Big pot develops between two players and when the river card arrived on a board of Jh-5d-6s,Ah-8c,villian(who has more chips than opponnent)bets enough to put him all-in,and at the same time typed in the chat box "i've got 7-4".Opponnent,after using all his time,eventually called showing A-J and left the table with villian typing "I told you I had it". I took exception to this(I was not the victim) and told the villian it was totally out of order and against poker etticate.His reply was to ask me if I was drunk. I said I wasnt surprised that he didnt understand what I was talking about,and I went on to tell him I like to play the game within the rules.He took exception to me implying that he was breaking the rules and was actually quite nasty about it(as you get from time to time on the net).I didnt get involved any more after that as it was a pretty big tourney and I wanted to concentrate(although I was gunning for him and as he was two to my left I couldnt really steal in position as I presume he was equally anxious to terminate my tourney. Question for my fellow boardsters is was I over the top in my criticism and would you ignore things like this on line?

PS : I FCUKING NAILED HIM ON THE FINAL TABLE

BrokenArrows

connie147 wrote:

PS : I FCUKING NAILED HIM ON THE FINAL TABLE

I dont like when people say what hand they are holding online(true or untrue).
It alters your train of thought and makes you call hands you should fold and fold hands you should call.

In a live game the hand would be declared dead if the player was telling the truth. This was covered in a thread a while back.

EDIT: I ment to say "good one" on the quote above

ecksor

It seems inappropriate to me but I don't know if the rules are standard everywhere. At least there was only two in the hand when it happened.

I had a hand last night in a MTT (the hand I busted on actually), 39 left out of 720 $20k gtd so we're getting close to some decent cash and a guy folds while complaining after there's a huge raise and two flat calls in front of him. The flop comes Q54 and he types "I had pocket 5s!!!!". The rest of the table giving him stick over it and telling him to shut up was quite distracting as I was figuring out what the stupidest way of losing all my chips would be

Lafortezza

I'd ignore it when it happened and drop a quick email to the poker site's support with the hand history/number if you're really annoyed about it.

Doc Farrell

connie147 wrote:

Playing last night in a €15,000 gtd tourney,down to last two tables so all players left were pretty capable.Big pot develops between two players and when the river card arrived on a board of Jh-5d-6s,Ah-8c,villian(who has more chips than opponnent)bets enough to put him all-in,and at the same time typed in the chat box "i've got 7-4".Opponnent,after using all his time,eventually called showing A-J and left the table with villian typing "I told you I had it". I took exception to this(I was not the victim) and told the villian it was totally out of order and against poker etticate.His reply was to ask me if I was drunk. I said I wasnt surprised that he didnt understand what I was talking about,and I went on to tell him I like to play the game within the rules.He took exception to me implying that he was breaking the rules and was actually quite nasty about it(as you get from time to time on the net).I didnt get involved any more after that as it was a pretty big tourney and I wanted to concentrate(although I was gunning for him and as he was two to my left I couldnt really steal in position as I presume he was equally anxious to terminate my tourney. Question for my fellow boardsters is was I over the top in my criticism and would you ignore things like this on line?

PS : I FCUKING NAILED HIM ON THE FINAL TABLE

wonderful post, and congratulations on fcuking nailing him, somewhat.

nicnicnic

I would of believed him and folded. did you win connie?


and aint no way the puff daddy of kerry is a prude

jbravado

I dont really mind if someone tells you what they really have....a lot of the time they are telling the truth!I just dont see the issue...although many people seem to have a serious problem with it.

mewso

We've discussed this rule before. I don't know what the general rules are online for telling somone what you have but personally I have no problem with it. It's all part of the game. Up to you to decide if your opponent is being honest when he tells you his hand or not. Deciding whether to call a bet can often be the same kind of decision.
I would have a big problem with someone folding then crying about what they would have had before the hand is over.

ianmc38

Admittedly, i've done the same thing before and it seems to induce alot of calls.

I don't have a problem with it and it's part and parcel of online poker as far as i'm concerned. It's the equivalent of speech play at a cash table.

RoundTower

connie147 wrote:

Playing last night in a €15,000 gtd tourney,down to last two tables so all players left were pretty capable

This is the biggest mistake in your post.

Linford

musician wrote:

We've discussed this rule before. I don't know what the general rules are online for telling somone what you have

On ladbrokes it is not allowed and players if reported are subject to anything from a warning to a chat ban to a ban from the site - they refer to it as "coffee housing" and it may now be included in their T&Cs.

mewso

Linford wrote:

"coffee housing"

Part and parcel of the game and they officially dissallow it?
How often have you sat at an STT on tribecca and some idiot suddenly starts going all-in every hand. Then he says "sorry I have to go. I have 74o". I go blue in the face telling them to just call big raises with crap but it's a regular event with the donkeys where they reveal their hand all the time.

ArmaniJeanss

musician wrote:

Part and parcel of the game and they officially dissallow it?

I think the problem is that whilst it is traditionally part of the 'live' game, it just isn't suited to the online environment.

'Live' - its normally used very specifically in a one on one situation to try to induce a call or a fold etc, and it can add a nice element to the game. It usually done when someone is pausing over a call for a few minutes etc.

Online - I've seen it done in the examples that you and ecksor have given. I've also seen it used by people who were obviously soft playing a mate - I've seen people doing it who didnt want a call because they were afraid of having their overpair outdrawn on a dangerous flop and exiting a tourney.
In these situations its everything from cheating to rank stupidity, all of which spoil the game, so I'd applaud Laddies for disallowing it.

connie147

RoundTower wrote:

This is the biggest mistake in your post.

Why so?

connie147

nicnicnic wrote:

I would of believed him and folded. did you win connie?


and aint no way the puff daddy of kerry is a prude

The bridesmaid again nic(2nd) for 2K,but it will be handy money for city west next week-end. Are you going?

RoundTower

connie147 wrote:

Why so?

Because people are idiots. You need a lot of evidence to deduce that someone is not an idiot. Getting to the last two tables of a small/mid stakes tournament is not enough. If you have evidence to suggest they wrote Hamlet or proved Fermat's last Theorem, then and only then you can reconsider.

kincsem

"you call its all over, baby"

califano

Its also a mistake to underate fellow players and human beings.
Not giving other players any credit without a lot of individual evidence is a trend i see in most peoples blogs and poker players chat in person that they percieve most other players and 'THE STANDARD' as bad, weak etc without justification. A lot players i talk to havent anything good to say about anyone elses game.

Maybe were all elitists in our own minds?.

connie147

RoundTower wrote:

Because people are idiots. You need a lot of evidence to deduce that someone is not an idiot. Getting to the last two tables of a small/mid stakes tournament is not enough. If you have evidence to suggest they wrote Hamlet or proved Fermat's last Theorem, then and only then you can reconsider.

I never said they were very good players,I said they were capable,and not many idiods get to the final stages of a €100 mtt,but a lot of capable players do.We dont all play the high stakes poker,but that dont mean we're idiots.And by the was,since I dont have proof that you either "wrote Hamlet or indeed proved Fermats last Theorem",am I to deduce that you probably are an idiot yourself?

Pokerevents

connie147 wrote:

I never said they were very good players,I said they were capable,and not many idiods get to the final stages of a €100 mtt,but a lot of capable players do.We dont all play the high stakes poker,but that dont mean we're idiots.And by the was,since I dont have proof that you either "wrote Hamlet or indeed proved Fermats last Theorem",am I to deduce that you probably are an idiot yourself?

Post of the year

5starpool

Pokerevents wrote:

Post of the year

don't be silly. can't compete with the 'how to wash cards' post and subsequent thread to back it up.

nicnicnic

connie147 wrote:

The bridesmaid again nic(2nd) for 2K,but it will be handy money for city west next week-end. Are you going?

nice 1. I'll definetly be there at some stage connie but alas no ticket yet. danny won one in the a pub game in carlow last night. Think I'll try one or two of stt on thursday and if i dont get a ticket settle for the €800 on saturday. if i dont see beforehand best of for the main event

Doc Farrell

Pokerevents wrote:

Post of the year

lmao, second the motion! classic.

Hitman Actual

5starpool wrote:

don't be silly. can't compete with the 'how to wash cards' post and subsequent thread to back it up.

lol, does this actually exist? Link please!!:)

5starpool

It was started by Mr Flibble I believe about 3 months ago? I will have a look but with search disabled who knows......

califano

Is this the tread that was about Greg Raymer winning the world series because of a dye he used that marked cards?

5starpool

nope. I have bumped it.

DeVore

On topic: You can chat on these things?!?!?! Seriously though, I only chat to pretend I'm Polish and that I learned english from Baywatch ("HASSELHOFF, VERY NICE MAN!!"). It amuses me during low buyin STT's

On Elitism: I've met a lot of very good players and a lot of very bad players in my time. The only common denominator I can determine is that the very good players almost never bitch, complain, or look down on their opponents... even though they believe they are the best player there. When they get knocked out they don't bitch about how someone outdrew them, they say "maybe if I had check raised him he wouldnt have called" or "next time, I'm not going to bluff a player exhibiting his traits". Its always about *them* and what they can do to change it.
Sneering at your opponents is a recipe for disaster, and is never a trait people admire.

DeV.

Doc Farrell

it's spelt TRATE numbnuts! TRATE!






just kidding...

RianANPoker

connie147 wrote:

I never said they were very good players,I said they were capable,and not many idiods get to the final stages of a €100 mtt,but a lot of capable players do.We dont all play the high stakes poker,but that dont mean we're idiots.And by the was,since I dont have proof that you either "wrote Hamlet or indeed proved Fermats last Theorem",am I to deduce that you probably are an idiot yourself?

An excellent Retort Connie of the final tables
May I just add a cupla focal...
1. Can't chat be turned off?
2. Fermat last theorem was written by his cousin Walter. Walter allowed Fermot to accept the credit for it....I think Walter was an IDIOT for allowing him to do this.

Connie (OTFT),
I think the guy was morally wrong to tell you his hand but poker is morally wrong anyway. It's basically conning your fellow man/woman out of their dosh. I'm constantly badgering my buddies at our poker get togethers with what I might have in my hand. . The speech play is slurred at these games but in the main they ignore my comments as I do them..and we play the game and eat Pizza. That's really how I view online poker, I treat them all as Saturday night drunks of varying standards, speech play is ignored and nobody gets hurt. The part about your post that is disturbing about online play is the 'nasty' comments. There is no need for that.
Anyway come on the Irish on Saturday, good luck to all of you playing the big one. I didn't make it so I'll play a small side event (dear enough anyway) but I'd be delighted to see an Irish victor (border or not)

RianANPoker

Pokerevents wrote:

Post of the year

by the way Fintan ol man, your tournaments are fair and fun and very enjoyable, . don't be too hard on your dealer he has a dry wit which shouldn't necessarily be defunked, the red cow allows guy to drink so these dealers really earn their dosh. by the way, Suasages give you heart trouble so should be eaten sparingly..

Keep up the events they are a great distraction from my current obsession Sandra Bullock (she had better not return the diamond necklace AGIAN)

wayfarer

ianmc38 wrote:

Admittedly, i've done the same thing before and it seems to induce alot of calls.

I don't have a problem with it and it's part and parcel of online poker as far as i'm concerned. It's the equivalent of speech play at a cash table.

Is this not a bit hypocritical considering these two posts:

ianmc38 wrote:

2 hands from SE cash game tonight. I'm so fcuking angry that I need to post them now!

Same villain both times, never seen him at a cash table before.

Hand 1: Flop AKK

Villain says i've 3 kings and an ace.

Turn is a 4. He then says all-in. Dealer says pot is 45. I say call. he turns over K4 before the river is dealt.

Ruling please.

Hand 2:

Board is 789TA rainbow. I have A6. Villain is UTG. Bets €60 into the pot. Folded to me, someone says "you're buying it again". He says no I have straight and turns over a 6. I eventually call and he turns over his other card a jack.

Ruling?

ianmc38 wrote:

If he declares his hand before a showdown is his hand not dead if he's holding what he declares? Eg he says I have a straight and turns one over, is his hand not dead?

In the first hand Marq he had 400 or so and I had 700 or so. He saved me money by showing his hand, as I had a better kicker with my king.

Several of the regulars all came over after the second hand and basically told him he was a cheating scumbag and to give the money back for the sake of his reputation. He refused to. Grand says I, he obviously needs it.

Just before I left, I was called to the table he was sitting at and saw that he was after reraising into the stone cold nuts and losing every single chip he had. I said, "Do you know what? I had a poker of aces last night, and got paid off fully by two people, but seeing that right now is 100 times more satisfying", gave him the fingers and walked out.

2 other older gentlemen, both regulars told him he got exactly what he deserved, so I left with a smile on my face anyway.

from http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054911660

Pokerevents

RianANPoker wrote:

by the way Fintan ol man, your tournaments are fair and fun and very enjoyable, . don't be too hard on your dealer he has a dry wit which shouldn't necessarily be defunked, the red cow allows guy to drink so these dealers really earn their dosh. by the way, Suasages give you heart trouble so should be eaten sparingly..

Keep up the events they are a great distraction from my current obsession Sandra Bullock (she had better not return the diamond necklace AGIAN)

Thanx for the support, it is appreciated.

wayfarer

wayfarer wrote:

Is this not a bit hypocritical considering these two posts:

Busted !