What happened to journalism.

Blitzkrieger

OMG the Herald is ****e!

I got it yesterday for the free ads but I was so bored I actually read the thing. The amount of tabloid bull**** they put in and call news. They gave more column space to "soccer hunks" and Gardai tea breaks than any actual news. Their 'analysis' page is a joke. I'm amazed the man hating witch was able to type the article without her keyboard shorting from the froth.

She opened with : "Any society worth it's salt has laws in place to avoid people having to make their own judgements about serious matters..."

I could write a book on what's wrong with that. God forbid that you let people think and make their own judgements - they might think they live in a free society. The gist of the rest of the article is basically about how all men are evil and should be castrated if they even think of looking at a girl.

She was adament that the law on statuatory rape should not have been changed. I do agree that young people do need to be protected,
but she really wanted to ruin the lives of innocent people. There was no hint of a blanced viewpoint at all.

It's a worrying trend that you can't believe what you see in the newspapers. One paper last year said that 90% of Irish people feel their job is secure. Where did they do the survey? The annual public service workers' convention? The Examiner has an article on the front page today saying that Irish people are not affected by immigrant workers. Bollox. I know people who were working as operators on contract in the same job for the last year. Now their contracts aren't being renewed because the company has hired bus-loads of Poles.

If you can't trust the press, where can you find the truth?

ronbyrne2005

The only thing the herald is good for is wiping your arse or lining your dogs kennel with.

Its gone seriously downhill in last 5 years,maybe it was always bad but i cant remember ,we badly need a quality evening paper in this city with real news but i suppse most people would buy irish times in morning if they wanted real news.

Kernel

Ah the Indo all the way. Bring back the Evening Press, competition is always good for the consumer.

Karoma

Kernel wrote:

...competition is always good for the consumer.

Not where quality is concerned: Then, only if it's the right sort of competition.

The standard slipped dramatically a few years back when the English tabloids started to really take off in Ireland. Irish newspapers had to 'reach a wider audience' to compete.

easy_as_easy

the 'indo' is just as bad. some of the most disgraceful journalism in this country has been printed the irish inpendent. the english independent is a good read though, although more Enlgish related news in it.

The Raspberrier

easy_as_easy wrote:

the 'indo' is just as bad. some of the most disgraceful journalism in this country has been printed the irish inpendent. the english independent is a good read though, although more Enlgish related news in it.

Its worth it just for Myers though.

indiewindy

Yeah the English Indo can be great sometimes. I love the guardian at the moment so much reading in it especially on Fridays

Kernel

Ah, the West Brit mindset going from strength to strength I see.

easy_as_easy

Kernel wrote:

Ah, the West Brit mindset going from strength to strength I see.

what a stupid remark. a good paper is a good paper.

Kernel

easy_as_easy wrote:

what a stupid remark. a good paper is a good paper.

I prefer a paper dealing with Irish issues, by Irish writers with an Irish viewpoint. Hey, I'm Irish.
:cool:

The Guardian.... even the British slag off the mindset of people who read that.

easy_as_easy

I dont read the guardian, just because an Irish man writes it does not mean its any good. I know about most irish related issues any because Im living in Ireland.

Dave!

Kernel wrote:

Ah, the West Brit mindset going from strength to strength I see.

lol... pathetic

Kernel

easy_as_easy wrote:

I dont read the guardian, just because an Irish man writes it does not mean its any good. I know about most irish related issues any because Im living in Ireland.

I was referring to another poster who was a Guardian reader.

But no, just because an Irish journalist writes something certainly doesn't mean it is any good, but I would rather read a quality Irish paper like the Indo because it gives me more info on Irish issues from an Irish perspective. Why read a British paper when I don't live in Britain and the local issues discussed have little or no bearing on me or my society?


I live in Ireland too, but don't know everything about what happens here - that's why I read the paper and watch Nuacht, Q&A etc.. No point in me watching a BBC2 English political debate - no matter how high the quality of the production is - a similar analogy to the newspapers from England.

Kernel

DaveMcG wrote:

lol... pathetic

Very informative contribution Dave, perhaps you should write for the Herald?

Dave!

Kernel wrote:

Very informative contribution Dave, perhaps you should write for the Herald?

yeah yeah, up the ra, etc etc

Kernel

DaveMcG wrote:

yeah yeah, up the ra, etc etc

Well that's a ridiculous assumption!
:rolleyes:

easy_as_easy

Kernel wrote:

I was referring to another poster who was a Guardian reader.

But no, just because an Irish journalist writes something certainly doesn't mean it is any good, but I would rather read a quality Irish paper like the Indo because it gives me more info on Irish issues from an Irish perspective. Why read a British paper when I don't live in Britain and the local issues discussed have little or no bearing on me or my society?


I live in Ireland too, but don't know everything about what happens here - that's why I read the paper and watch Nuacht, Q&A etc.. No point in me watching a BBC2 English political debate - no matter how high the quality of the production is - a similar analogy to the newspapers from England.

well no, that is not an analogy to this. the Eng. Indo. has a very high standard of journalism, and does write about world issues more than Enlgish based stories. Its sports is top notch too.

I will not read that gutter journalism ridden piece of crap that is the indo. Irish or not.

Setun

If anyone happened to see the Sun's headline last week:

Red Nosed Idiot

Front page news story about some goon who seemingly glued a clown's red nose (hence the pun - sigh...) to his face, and can't get it off.

Front page.
News.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

It's not the media. Think about it...

Who's paying to read this stuff? They are only wiriting it because so many people are reading it. And why are people readingt it...? Now that's the worrying trend

charybdis

At least the Herald bears all the hallmarks of a tabloid, red top etc.. and is clearly flagged as such, but it's papers like the Independent (which is a sister paper of the Herald) that have a veneer of respectability yet also peddle the same destructive, reprehensible, low-quality journalism that demean print media as a whole. The Independent is an abscess in the Irish media more so than any other paper purely because of its unholy marriage of respectable appearance with unrespectable content and the fact that has the largest circulation figures.

The only Irish paper that has a shred of credibility, in my opinion, is The Irish Times, and even that has gone slightly downhill in recent years.

As for the negative attitude towards UK/World media or "read[ing] a quality Irish paper like the Indo because it gives me more info on Irish issues from an Irish perspective", it sounds like your paraphrasing that Irish Daily Mail ad from a while ago "She loves its family values" (I don't think I should have to point out the problems "perspectives" endear to journalism.): UK/World media also cover Irish events when they are comparably important. I don't see why they should be avoided, surely the the more news information the better.

And, in fairness, the BBC is far superior to RTE or any Irish media company and the Guardian's website is one of the best internet news outlets I've come across. Again, the only similar respectable entity is The Irish Times' ireland.com, and that's only available to subscribers.

Kernel

Good for world news, rubbish for my local news, that's why I like my Irish paper.

Hagar

I don't think people rely on newspapers for news anymore. They mostly report on stuff that we already have heard about from other sources eg from the TV or the car radio. Newspapers have changed from their traditional role into semi magazines with features rather than news. The only good thing, apart from the crossword, is that you can read the odd well written story carefully enough to extract detail rather than the "sound bites" we get elsewhere. The British red tops pretending to be Irish are dragging down standards and killing what is already a small market thereby forcing Irish papers to compete on their level or go under.

The Hill Billy

Hagar wrote:

The British red tops [are] forcing Irish papers to compete on their level...

Which the Herald is doing in spades. I have never seen such narrow-minded, one-sided, let's-get-the-unwashed-masses-baying-for-blood journalism as they have in the Herald. Here's me thinking for years that I was the only one.

In my opinion the most scurrilous articles & headlines to come out of Abbey Street/Talbot Street were around the time of the trial of the four ex-Blackrock students for Brian Murphy's untimely death outside Anabels. Not to start another debate into the rights & wrongs of that tragic case - but if we were to believe Herald hacks at the time - anyone who had ever held a rugby ball should have been hanged by the b0ll0x with cheesewire (& drawn & quartered if you were a southsider).

There wasn't even the slightest attempt to bring any balance to their coverage. There never is. A disgrace to the Fourth Estate.

r3nu4l

Kernel wrote:

The Guardian.... even the British slag off the mindset of people who read that.

Sorry to disappont you Kernel, I worked in London for eighteen months, I'm now living and working in Cambridge and have to say that the majority of British people do not slag off the mindset of people who read the Guardian or the newspaper itself!

The kind of Brits who do slag the Guardian can usually be found with a copy of the Sun in one hand and a suspiciously sticky-paged copy of Nuts magazine in their back pocket :rolleyes: or may be rabidly Tory. The other type who slag the Guardian are usually waving the Union flag and wearing "White is right" style T-shirts. :rolleyes:

For me, the Irish Times has about the best journalism in Ireland, the Indo really is a tabloid masquerading as respectable journalism. It's current compact (read: tabloid) format is just about right for that rag.

MrJones

lol ,only good article in it is john giles column.

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

The only thing the herald is good for is wiping your arse or lining your dogs kennel with.

Its gone seriously downhill in last 5 years,maybe it was always bad but i cant remember ,we badly need a quality evening paper in this city with real news but i suppse most people would buy irish times in morning if they wanted real news.

dSTAR

Blitzkrieger wrote:

"Any society worth it's salt has laws in place to avoid people having to make their own judgements about serious matters..."

And quite rightly so...

Leave the decision making process up to the the great unwashed and kiss bye bye to the future!

Blitzkrieger

Yeah - we should leave all the decisions to Bertie and the rest of the goverment. They couldn't plan their way out of a paper bag, but I trust them to run out economy........into the ground.

constitutionus

Kernel wrote:

I was referring to another poster who was a Guardian reader.

But no, just because an Irish journalist writes something certainly doesn't mean it is any good, but I would rather read a quality Irish paper like the Indo because it gives me more info on Irish issues from an Irish perspective. Why read a British paper when I don't live in Britain and the local issues discussed have little or no bearing on me or my society?


I live in Ireland too, but don't know everything about what happens here - that's why I read the paper and watch Nuacht, Q&A etc.. No point in me watching a BBC2 English political debate - no matter how high the quality of the production is - a similar analogy to the newspapers from England.

well i dont read english papers either but the answer to why is simple. impartiality. take the indo and the herald, wernt you conscerned at the lack of coverage they gave to the irish ferries dispute? would it surprise you to know the guys who own the company that owns irish ferries also owns the company that owns the indo and the herald? remember if your only watching irish sources of information you only get the view of the vested interests that owns them. Most "liberal " media sources have their agendas and they'll push it with a facistic zeal that'd make hitler blush. take whats going on with the recent supreme court decision to strike out the law on underage sex. what that judgement means factually is since 1935 men have been living under a law that violates their constitutional right. irregardless to what you think about the merit of what that law was trying to do it was a violations of our constitutional rights, just like the ex party barring order that was also ammended recently. and what do the media do? go running right to the womens groups. MENS rights are violated and its the WOMEN they ask about it. hell in the barring order issue labours spokesperson came out and said they'd have to do everything they could to get the thing back!:rolleyes:

sad fact is if you want to find out the crux of an issue you have to look to outside media. this is the same for every country. do you think the yanks are getting the level of exposure on iraq that we are?
just remember its not just limited to papers. i remember when we rejected the NICE treaty. i had to sit through HOURS of drivel on the telly and acres of colums space on how we rejected it because were all racists and xenophobes till i saw UTV's coverage of it and they summed up why I voted no to it in one sentance : "they just dont want a two tier europe". sad how considering now were only one of 3 countries to fully enact it i was proven right.

oh and just incase you think im paranoid about the whole vested interest thing just remember it was UTV that broke the whole paedo priest thing, not RTE. and charley haughey? he ran the only journalist who investigated what he was up to out of the country (canada to be exact, where he still is!) sometime the only hope you have to get the truth is with a foreign press