Art History

Funkstard

How much are you preparing for this? I've done an essay on Newgrange & Da Vinci so far. This is probably the subject I'm most clueless on as there's no past papers, and I knew it would come down to just learning off essays so I didn't really listen in class.

I've a few questions for anyone in the know. How long should an answer be generally? I'm doing 4/5 pages. How many paintings should you discuss when discussing an artist?

Also, are they supposed to end on some grand outro or do you just stop when you've finished giving detail?

Cheers.

ThrownAway

4 pages is grand I guess it depends on how big your writing/drawings are. I got the LSMS arthistory and there's exam papers in them. Might be handy to pick up at the last mintue to practice past questions.
Again, about 3/4 paintings is more than enough you could mention a fifth too.
I always give a conclusion at the end. If you're good at english it should be fine.
Make sure you draw a box around diagrams and label them.

Mellifluous

you can get past papers and marking schemes on examinations.ie... it's a good idea to take a good look through them

learning off esssays isn't my style, because you can be never sure of the exact phrasing of a question. i'd get a revision book if i was you and study from that, less stress is really good.

i'd take a good look through the past papers and see which topics always come up. there's always at least 1 pre to early christain question, so that'll cover your irish history... Newgrange didnt come up last year so there's a good chance it will this year, but i wouldn't count on it.

European history is tougher... i'm studying impressionism and post impressionism and that's all.
my reasoning is; impressionism has always come up and if there's not an impresionism question there's a question asking you to discuse an artist who painted water scenes or something like that...
so if you're studying da vinci, i'd recomend you study the whole renaisance, but look through past papers and figure it out yourself.

4/5 pages is good, including drawings... the exam is quite short, so make sure you put the same effort into all 3 questions... including the appreciation one.

i'd discuss about 3 paintings per artist but it depends on the question, 2 might do if you're comparing 2 artists or you may need 4 if you're tracing an artists developement...

finally, yes they expect "Outros" and intros, although it can proably just be a suming up line. check the marking schemes...
if you run out of time, you can always put all the facts down in bullet points but you'll lose points.

i'm repeating the leaving so ive had quite a few teachers giving me all these tips... goodluck anyway

last year i really enjoyed the art exam, it was kinda... fun

Funkstard

Also, what about the appreciation question? My teacher said you can't prepare for it. I doubt him though. What have you prepared for it?

I got back that Da Vinci essay today and my teacher said I'd get full marks. I dunno, I only discussed la gioconda & the last supper, along with a good bit about his inventions & stuff. Also, I prepared neolithic tombs, specifically newgrange, last night. Might do a bit on Iron Age stonework in case the q. ties in with that.

I was planning on studying impressionism & post impressionism too so that's a good sign.

ThrownAway

All I've got notes wise is...

- Newgrange

- Medieval and Gothic

- Early Christian Ireland - just the high crosses

- Art Gallery Visit

- Giotto, Massico, Donatello and Da Vinci


Should I cover The Bronze Age or could I get away with just those topics? I'm repeating too and I only had one year to cram the course in.

PrettyInPunk

Funkstard wrote:

Also, what about the appreciation question? My teacher said you can't prepare for it. I doubt him though. What have you prepared for it?

I got back that Da Vinci essay today and my teacher said I'd get full marks. I dunno, I only discussed la gioconda & the last supper, along with a good bit about his inventions & stuff. Also, I prepared neolithic tombs, specifically newgrange, last night. Might do a bit on Iron Age stonework in case the q. ties in with that.

I was planning on studying impressionism & post impressionism too so that's a good sign.

there is past papers..

and what the **** thats an absalute joke of course you can study for it..

questions such as 'design a houser ' or design a garden/garden furniture/monument' can come up and also the one we have prepared exellently is a visit to an art gallery..why on earth havnt your teachers done this???

PrettyInPunk

ThrownAway wrote:

All I've got notes wise is...

- Newgrange

- Medieval and Gothic

- Early Christian Ireland - just the high crosses

- Art Gallery Visit

- Giotto, Massico, Donatello and Da Vinci


Should I cover The Bronze Age or could I get away with just those topics? I'm repeating too and I only had one year to cram the course in.

i may be wrong but i would have suggest to do a few things from bronze/iron and leave out either massico or donatello?you dont need all 4 surely?

ThrownAway

PrettyInPunk wrote:

i may be wrong but i would have suggest to do a few things from bronze/iron and leave out either massico or donatello?you dont need all 4 surely?

Really?

So two would be fine? How many are there?

PrettyInPunk

Well i dont know but have you got the past papers to have a look through because i may be wrong but it seems to me that there is a big choice???

just sometimes like on my mock you can be asked to link newgrange in with iron or stone age??

Azureus

im gonna learn f.e mcwilliam, newgrange, the high crosses and georgian architecture for irish
impressionism, post impressionism, a bit on giotta/cimabue, romanticism and maybe a bit of cubism for eupopean. hoping for post impressionism though.
ive prepared a question on visiting a gallery for the apppreciation question-anything else ill make up on the day.

brid_m

I've prepared:

Irish Section : Stone Age
Iron Age
Bronze Age
2 Irish Artists

European Section : Romanesque
Gothic
Impressionists
Botteceli
Durer

Appreciation : Poster/Graphic Design
Furniture Design
Visit to an Exhibition

Shrimp

Irish Section:
Bronze Age
Neolithic
Newgrange

European Section :
Romanesque Arch.
Gothic Arch.
Baroque
Bernini

Appreciation :
Gallery Visit. (Durer)


all that plus a whopper amount of waffle

ThrownAway

The one thing I hate about art history is the essays. Which is the most important thing :rolleyes: I just hate writing essays. If there was individual questions on each topic with the same choice that we have now it would be so much easier.

Funkstard

Do you think I'd have enouh for section II in Impressionism and everything about it - Jean Auguste Ingres & the old school, Gustave Courbet & Realism, then Manet, Monet & Renoir, then Van Gogh/Gaugin for post-impressionism?

I have an essay done on da Vinci too. I'm just afriad if I get some question to compare the impressionist movement with the renaissance or something...

For Section I, I think I'm just gonna do Newgrange & Neolithic passage tombs...maybe the turoe stone too. Yet then again, they know everyones banking on it so they could screw us over with some bollocks of a question.

ThrownAway

Funkstard wrote:

I have an essay done on da Vinci too. I'm just afriad if I get some question to compare the impressionist movement with the renaissance or something...

Maybe you should read through the renaissance to just get the idea in case a question like does come up at least you'll be able to say something.

deisedolly

Anyone else leaving studying for Art History until the day before?! I just have too much on my plate at the moment!!

GrumPy

deisedolly wrote:

Anyone else leaving studying for Art History until the day before?! I just have too much on my plate at the moment!!

Me too, I did pretty well in practicals, at worst I got what, say 35% out of the 62.5% possible, So i'm not too worried about the written paper, reckon I'll get about 60points out of art. Which will do me fine, as I have no intention of studying (it anytime before the night before the exam.)- sounds weird, but I'm too lazy to fix it

Glazun

Hm, I'm doing Metalwork Iron / Bronze age, Impressionists, New Grange and the art gallery question. the most important thing is to learn what era these things happened in, so if it asks "18th century art movement" you know its impessionism.. or "discuss early christian metalwork objects" you know its the ardagh chalice and derrynaflan chalice and tara broach.. mhm..

Its realativly easy.. imo just learning the discriptions of objects and how to draw them.

Funkstard

Wonder why only 0.5% of art students get an A1, compared to ~10% for English? Like, you obviously have to have something more than whats in the books/notes, etc. because anyone can learn them off.

Actually, I found a huge error in the art textbook yesterday. There's a section about modern architecture, and it briefly described the Sydney Opera house. It said the design was inspired by ships' sails, when time and time again the architect has said it wasn't inspired by sails, they're sections of spheres.

Like, it's pretty well known that it's not from sails because everyone thinks it is, can't believe they put it in the book.

GrumPy

Dont think the examiner is gonna rape your ass for saying it. You could easily just say "The design, similar to ship sails, achieves a spherical pattern of arcitechture, which is what the designer intended" just write a load of bollox

Glazun

Well, my teacher gives me a lotta homemade notes.. :P

ThrownAway

deisedolly wrote:

Anyone else leaving studying for Art History until the day before?! I just have too much on my plate at the moment!!

Oh yeah

It's my second last exam too. I've never done Art before and didn't do my Art pre either so I've NO IDEA what I'm going to get.
If the Art exam didn't have practicles I'd fail for sure!!

captainzapp

my second last too. sorted for irish art section, but pretty screwed for the european section and have only ever done apreciation in the pre, which went badly so... im pretty f**ked id say. havent really dont art history this year at all as our sub teachers have all been braindead more or less.

only european history i know REALLY well is miro and dali. everything else is pretty vague.

su surrealism WILL come up right?!?!?! someone tell me what to learn please... theres too much there for me to decide on my own....

abelard

Did the exam last year so I might not be a lot of help but here goes.

There is almost always a question on early Christian Ireland (5-10th century AD), manuscripts, metalwork and high crosses. High crosses was up last year on its own, so I would expect one of the other two, or a combination question

For the Europaen essay, if you're doing more modern stuff, last year was quite unusual in that there was no specific question on impressionism, cubism or surrealism. Fauvism came up, as did a question on the second half of the nineteenth sentury allowing you to bring in impressionism and a bit of post-impressionism, but I would say impressionism/surrealism/cubism will come up, and you can always fall back on the "painting involving........" question. Someone asked about a format for this kind of painting I think. I'd usually go for artist introduction, artist style and influences, main painting (be absolutely sure to include lots here about elements and principles of design), paragraph on 1 or 2 other more minor paintings and then conclusion with things such as importance of the painting on the art world, overall impact on you, etc.

For the final section the cest thing is usually to have a museum question prepared, but if you don't, again the elements and principles of design are your friend and will help you out doing a critique of a piece of design etc

Hope that helps a little bit anyway

blahhh

My practicals, I hadn't set into Leaving Cert mode back in May and I made a half a.rsed attempt...plus I ran out of time in design :mad: My life drawing was the shizzle though

Theory.......meh compared to all other subjects I'm not too worried, give it look over the weekend

PrettyInPunk

ThrownAway wrote:

Oh yeah

It's my second last exam too. I've never done Art before and didn't do my Art pre either so I've NO IDEA what I'm going to get.
If the Art exam didn't have practicles I'd fail for sure!!

i am too..just cant deal with studying that on top of everything else right now!!its my last exam tho:)

Glazun

I'm going to start rivising for it tomorrow. I have Business and Maths that also need revising.. and TG. I dont really care about TG anymore.. pass subject, doing 8 subjects.. I NEED to do well in Maths so badly. So I will spend an hour at least at each part to make sure I know EVERYTHING that could possibly come up. I didnt study much for paper 1, I did spend more than 4 hours cramming on the day before, I thought I had everything sussed, but the paper was so alien.. It seemed easy enough. I KNEW the graph thing, but my mind drew a blank, all I could think of was Ob-la-dii ob la da by the beatles.. -shrugs- I did my paper in Irish.. But its only evident in the first question, everything is labeled, done, double checked. I hope I got 50marks for that.

HoboJesus

Might as well throw in what I'm covering

Irish Art
Stone - Iron - Bronze age Metalworks
Newgrange/dolmens/court-cairns (<3 this section)
Manuscripts (eg.Book of Kells/Durrow)

European Art
Romanesque and Gothic sculpture/architecture
Reneissance sculpture/archichitecture/painting
Impressionism*

*-don't know this well at all, might consider just not covering it >.>.

I just now realise my focus on ancient history as opposed to the more recent stuff. Oh well. Any chance this stuff wont get me through the exam? I need about 80% for an A1 in art, assuming my teacher's assesment of my practical was accurate and that god loves me. Any suggestions?

I'd also like to note that I have Maths p2, French, and History, a day each next week, so I can't focus on art history too much (until wednesday night, of course ;D).

ThrownAway

You are covering a gallery/film question, right?

HoboJesus

Exhibit visity thing, aye, have a couple places covered, was just talking about History there, sorry. Although I usually find I'm better off answering one of the random other questions. Did one on important aspects of a poster for the mocks which I hadn't even remotely studied for and got 39/50. Hence the focus on history . Also I just went through my notes and I've a bit more than the above mentioned, but they're where I'm focusing. I'm not too worried overall, I got 76 in the mocks for which I only studied that morning, and I need 80, I'll just be irritated if nothing I've covered comes up =/

tinka

i hope a gallery question comes up! i love that question. i managed to do really well in the mocks considering the lack of study. i wrote an entire essay on tony o'malley for the first time in the exam, getting around the style/technique part by saying that he doesn't have any... sorry to any o'malley fans out there! i'll probably cover vermeer and another baroque artist. not sure about the irish section yet.

i have all of wednesday off to study, thank god!

ThrownAway

I've allot to do. I don't have a single day off either. At this stage I'll just make out 4/5 different essays and try to learn them.

tinka

oh and the teacher i had is a joke. we never did impressionism, cubism, surrealism, fauvism, dada.. who knows what else. you name it, we probably haven't done it. he wouldn't even do romanesque/gothic sculpture, saying it's not very important. that question came up in the mocks.

ThrownAway

tinka wrote:

impressionism, cubism, surrealism, fauvism, dada..

We didn't cover them either. You don't really need them since after all there's allot of choice in the exam.

HoboJesus

yeah we only covered Impressionism, seems more reliable to focus on the older stuff here. Plus I'd be sooo angry if I studied a bunch of Impressionists and a bunch of OTHER Impressionists came up. There's only one Newgrange

Bakharwaldog

Glazun wrote:

the most important thing is to learn what era these things happened in, so if it asks "18th century art movement" you know its impessionism..

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shouldnt that be 19th century...;)

Glazun

ah.. I was think 1800... -erm-

Funkstard

No it was the late 19th century....the first exhibition they had in Nadar's studio was in 1874....(I think, around then anyway)

Setun

Is anyone else studying Cezanne seeing as though it's the centenary of his death this year?

For appreciation I'm hoping for a decent design Q, I'll probs prepare a film though. Does anyone think they'll be specific about the film we'll have to talk about?

Funkstard

Last year they asked about Shrek didn't they? Or Lord of the Rings...the two of them have come up recently anyway, which tells you that they do ask film-specific questions.

I'm hoping for a house design question, or organising an exhibition. Anything else will be off the top of my head.

I can't honestly remember if I wrote out notes on Cezanne...quite worrying as I only did them last week! Since it's his centenary it could be a good bet...examiners usually love that kind of stuff

ThrownAway

Yeah there was an option between the two.

I just got a couple of hours of Art done. That'll probably be it.

I've generally covered Da Vinci, Massicco and Donatello with Romanesque and Gothic

Hoping Neolithic comes up since that's all I'm going to revise
I'll have to look over the gallery question the night before :eek:

Glazun

I'm going to learn an essay a day. I have 4 essays that my teacher reckons will come up.. o_o Bronze age / Metalwork , Impressionism and Newgrange, and Gallery.

>_> I've never been to the gallery, its a completely fictional question.. er- the paintings are real. Although I still need to see grief..

ThrownAway

I hope your teachers right about the Newgrange and Gallery question.

Glazun

Yup, so do I, and the rest of my class. I'm worried, that if the paper has been so predicatable so far, there's chances that they could just decide to make it unpredictable for a change...

GrumPy

Does anyone think they may have already passed art on what we have already done? I reckon at worst I got at least 35%, out of a possible 62.5% on the practicals.

the Shades

Art History is 37.5% of the entire exam without doing well in it you won't get an A, fail it completely and even if you're Picasso in your practical the best you can get is a C. When I did my Leaving Cert I knew a guy who never paid any attention to his AH, never worked on it and although he was quite talented only got a D in the exam, something that didn't look too impressive when he wanted to start art college.

GrumPy

the Shades wrote:

Art History is 37.5% of the entire exam without doing well in it you won't get an A, fail it completely and even if you're Picasso in your practical the best you can get is a C. When I did my Leaving Cert I knew a guy who never paid any attention to his AH, never worked on it and although he was quite talented only got a D in the exam, something that didn't look too impressive when he wanted to start art college.

That's not my point though, I reckon I can get a high C, even a high B, If I do in any way decent in the written exam, Cause I'm pretty confident of my practical work. Obivously you cant overlook history like you friend stupidly did, but it's nice to know for people who are dreading the history part and think they might fail, At least they wont have to break their backs studying just to pass.

Sawa

Yeah that happened to me in the mock. I only got 40% in Art History but I got a C2 overall. So I dunno, im maths retarded and i cant work that out but i think it shows my practical went well.
Its really annoying! :mad:

the Shades

It's not annoying it's to show that there's more to the subject than practical work. Art history is an integral part of the subject and you learn more from it than from any practical work, if it wasn't for art history you wouldn't really be studying art at all.

smemon

got a solid c in the mocks in art history doing basically nothing

give me a B in the real thing this week and i'll take it now. i was well pleased with my practical, reckon i got at least 40% out of 62.5%. (probably 45%)

add that to about 26 in the history and i'll weigh in at just around the 70%, meaning i should get a B.

that's a modest estimate aswell

HoboJesus

the Shades wrote:

It's not annoying it's to show that there's more to the subject than practical work. Art history is an integral part of the subject and you learn more from it than from any practical work, if it wasn't for art history you wouldn't really be studying art at all.

If that were even close to true then why do they call Art for junior cert (fully practical) Art, and not "Art practical". Of course the history is important (...sometimes), but well.. art history is art history, and art is art. :P. I find it annoying when they decide to combine two somewhat-related subjects. Like English language and literature, and art practical and history. Some artists need never know anything about the history and be breathtaking at their craft, and art historians don't need to know how to hold a paintbrush .