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Evp

  • 02-05-2006 08:31PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭


    Last night I watched white noise, and was amazed by EVP and the idea that you could pick somethign up through radio waves. I'd heard of it before and never really given mcuh thought to it

    Yes, I know it's a film and it's got Hollywood written all over it, as a horror it's not even that scarey, but it did get me thinking.

    Has anyone here ever tried it?
    Is it taken as a credible method of contacting the other side (no I'm not talking northside / southside here)?
    Is it actually meant to be as dangerous as the film suggests?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    EVP is widely considered to be quite a compelling phenomena. The best cynics can say is dismissing it as improbable, but possible random interference.

    And no, its not dangerous in the slightest. I did a lot of research on EVP before and I never turned up anything that suggested there was the slighest risk involved, which is interesting considering how over the top believers can get with their protections and cleansings.

    The largest EVP organisation is the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena: http://www.aaevp.com/

    I'm fairly sure their site has some good samples, if not I'll turn up something in a moment.

    EDIT: Heres some interesting samples: http://www.ghostpix.com/gis/E.V.P.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Zillah wrote:
    .....And no, its not dangerous in the slightest. I did a lot of research on EVP before and I never turned up anything that suggested there was the slighest risk involved.....


    Of course there's always a risk. some people may get results that they are not able for. if someone tried it for a laugh and got results they may get nightmaares and it could affect them psychologically. Even if nothing happens our imaginations can be dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    6th wrote:
    . Even if nothing happens our imaginations can be dangerous.

    It is important to remember that . Its also possible that with all aspects of paranormal investigation one could see or hear what they want and be affected in that way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper


    That's quite true... the thing about paranormal stuff is that when you are in a haunted location, your perceptions are increased... thus you start to associate more stuff as "paranormal". It's important not to fall into this trap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭Ziycon


    how dangerous it is depends on the person themselves, its as dangerous as any other method to contact the other side!

    If the person is not in a fit mind to accept and examine the results with a level head and level grounding then it can be dangerous, the person using EVP must not have any mental illness or there can be a dangerous side, not from what may occur but the danger comes from the person themselves mis-interpeting the results!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper


    Ziycon wrote:
    how dangerous it is depends on the person themselves, its as dangerous as any other method to contact the other side!

    If the person is not in a fit mind to accept and examine the results with a level head and level grounding then it can be dangerous, the person using EVP must not have any mental illness or there can be a dangerous side, not from what may occur but the danger comes from the person themselves mis-interpeting the results!

    That's true, and even those of us with "mild" mental illnesses could easily do the same thing too...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Kennett wrote:
    those of us with "mild" mental illnesses could easily do the same thing too...

    the voices tell me not to listen to you.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper


    Grimes wrote:
    the voices tell me not to listen to you.:D

    lol!

    I'm not saying anything, for fear of incrimination... :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    when I was younger my father (who was a paranormal buff) had recordings of evp on record, I remember being about ten and he had put them on to have a listen, scared the bejesus out of me and consequently I try to avoid listening to evps :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper


    Amazing how childhood experiences can affect us long into adulthood...

    Of course that is a conversation for another forum altogether, so I'll say no more on this topic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    psychology perhaps?
    I thought the same thing when reading the responses, so far the thread seems to be more of a psychological analysis of paranormal perception.

    I've had more recent experiences with evp, think I posted about them before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    gillo wrote:
    Has anyone here ever tried it?
    Is it taken as a credible method of contacting the other side (no I'm not talking northside / southside here)?
    Is it actually meant to be as dangerous as the film suggests?
    I haven't actually tried it, but I've heard a few recordings.
    In so far as a credible method for contacting the otherside I think it would come under the term of "residual hauntings" residual being the operative word of the week you can find more about the term here
    A residual haunting is a playback of a past event. The apparitions involved are not spirits, they are "recordings" of the event. I believe that this will be the first type of haunting that main stream researchers will recognize and study. There are numerous theories on how these residual hauntings come to be. The main one will be discussed here.
    in effect these recordings would be little more than echos, caught on tape so I'm not sure it could be considered "contact" with the otherside, or at least in a real time sense :)
    If you listen to evp recordings often the messages can be very mundane and not very relevant, maybe someones last words echoing through time, in other instances if a particular scenario was volatile thoe last words can range from "now it's time to die" to "please help me".
    I'm not sure how dangerous these things might be, but needless to say sometimes listening to that kind of information can be rattling as much so as it would be to hear someone calling out in distress in real life.
    It would be good to bare in mind that what you see in movies is usually a distorted version of events, for entertainment value :)

    [edit:I've heard some stories where people claim to have recieved direct mesages via phones or speakers which they consider spirit contact, although thats another for another time maybe.]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper


    solas wrote:
    psychology perhaps?
    I thought the same thing when reading the responses, so far the thread seems to be more of a psychological analysis of paranormal perception.

    Looks to be that way, wonder if it is permitted to make a thread about it here, or should we take this to the psychology forum?

    Any input on this Psi or any other moderator?
    I've had more recent experiences with evp, think I posted about them before.

    When I get a spare moment, I'll have to dig them up at some point...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭Ziycon


    solas wrote:
    I haven't actually tried it, but I've heard a few recordings.
    In so far as a credible method for contacting the otherside I think it would come under the term of "residual hauntings" residual being the operative word of the week you can find more about the term here
    in effect these recordings would be little more than echos, caught on tape so I'm not sure it could be considered "contact" with the otherside, or at least in a real time sense :)
    If you listen to evp recordings often the messages can be very mundane and not very relevant, maybe someones last words echoing through time, in other instances if a particular scenario was volatile thoe last words can range from "now it's time to die" to "please help me".
    I'm not sure how dangerous these things might be, but needless to say sometimes listening to that kind of information can be rattling as much so as it would be to hear someone calling out in distress in real life.
    It would be good to bare in mind that what you see in movies is usually a distorted version of events, for entertainment value :)

    [edit:I've heard some stories where people claim to have recieved direct mesages via phones or speakers which they consider spirit contact, although thats another for another time maybe.]


    I sort of agree there, if objects can hold traumatic events in memory why cant the EVP just be something that was said a hundred years ago in that area, maybe an old wall or something held the memory/sound! but on the other side how can some of the 'replies' be so exact to the questions asked!

    For example: you ask "What is your name?" and you get a name back on the recording not another question or an answer like "Did you that the dog for a walk"!??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    For example: you ask "What is your name?" and you get a name back on the recording not another question or an answer like "Did you that the dog for a walk"!??
    k, I havent heard these kinds of evp's, just recordings that were taken in rooms or buildings which were supposedly haunted.
    It sounds very similar to the direct messages I was going to discuss.
    Interesting topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Solas has only tackled the evp which may be recordings of past events stating that:
    [edit:I've heard some stories where people claim to have recieved direct mesages via phones or speakers which they consider spirit contact, although thats another for another time maybe.]

    With regards to echos or past events replaying i think stone tape theory is very interesting.
    http://www.iopr.org.uk/4832/66801.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*

    there is plenty about this on the net, its a case of looking for the good info and not picking the first result on Google.

    btw Solas, ur pm box is full ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    well the direct messaging I'm refering to come under the term of "direct voice phenomena"
    can read about it here:http://www.xs4all.nl/~wichm/dirvoic3.html

    [edit]interesting site 6th, never heard it the term stone tape before but ye, describes what was talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    6th wrote:
    Of course there's always a risk. some people may get results that they are not able for. if someone tried it for a laugh and got results they may get nightmaares and it could affect them psychologically. Even if nothing happens our imaginations can be dangerous.


    Yeah but its not dangerous in a paranormal sense. Its no more dangerous than anything that might upset a mentally unstable person.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Zillah wrote:
    Yeah but its not dangerous in a paranormal sense. Its no more dangerous than anything that might upset a mentally unstable person.
    Sorry, Zillah, but to throw one of your own questions back at you... you know this for a fact?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I'll quote myself to answer the question:
    And no, its not dangerous in the slightest. I did a lot of research on EVP before and I never turned up anything that suggested there was the slighest risk involved, which is interesting considering how over the top believers can get with their protections and cleansings.

    So, to the best of my knowledge.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Thanks for the qualification ;)

    Btw, I thought the movie was awful. Interesting thread about an interesting topic, tho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I havn't seen it actually. I recognised some of the EVPs in the trailer though, they really were actual EVPs, I had heard them on the AAEVP site not long before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Reaphoenix


    Hiya,

    I read a book years ago that if you take a tape recorder into the forest and press record and just leave it alone for as long a tape as you have that you can hear the little peole talking!!!:p

    Never tried it but sure why not. Must get a recorder

    Seeya:D

    Reaphoenix


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 599 ✭✭✭New_Departure06


    Anyone had any success in communicating with the dead through Electronic Voice Phenomenon? I am considering using it to talk to my aunt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Threads Merged


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Anyone had any success in communicating with the dead through Electronic Voice Phenomenon? I am considering using it to talk to my aunt.

    Its not something i've tried yet but from what i know the recording has to be manipulated (the frequency raised/lowered or slowed down/sped up) to get results. Also in many of the pieces i have listened to it seems to be more of a echo of the past as oposed to a method of 2 way communication.

    I'll be holding of til i have the equipment and software to get the best out of any recordings i make.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    I actually watched the film on sky last night.

    It wasn't a very good film, but it did send me to re-read this thread today and something interesting struck me.

    In qualifying that there are no reports of anything bad happening through EVP, it doesn't address the claim by the film (unfortunately unsourced, I googled but can't find the source material) that

    "1 in 12 "confirmed" EVP communications are hostile".

    Now that would suggest that the messages are hostile rather than anything bad actually happening.

    Anyone have anymore on this? If you consider one of the more debated explanations for ghosts and such (in the parapsychology circles anyway) that ghosts are residual transmitted energy from strong emotions (such as anger or pain at death) then you'd think it would be more than 1/12 hostile recordings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    I'm planning on using a few lunch breaks a week to go to different churches in town and try get EVP, its not somnething i've been into in the past but i'm gonna throw myself at it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 599 ✭✭✭New_Departure06


    6th wrote:
    I'm planning on using a few lunch breaks a week to go to different churches in town and try get EVP, its not somnething i've been into in the past but i'm gonna throw myself at it!

    Graveyards are probably best to find them - especially at night -but I would be too scared to try it at this stage. You are very brave 6th. Remember at the start of the recording to ask for contact from spirit persons. :)

    I also understand that it works better when you have an external microphone plugged into the recording device. Digital recorders also cut out much of the "hiss".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Graveyards are probably best to find them - especially at night -but I would be too scared to try it at this stage. You are very brave 6th. Remember at the start of the recording to ask for contact from spirit persons. :)

    I also understand that it works better when you have an external microphone plugged into the recording device. Digital recorders also cut out much of the "hiss".


    If you were dead would you hang around a graveyard? I'm sure many concious entities wouldnt.

    And as for echos, or hauntings were its a recording of the past: I'm sure nothing much extremes happens in graveyards to leave that much of an impact in the atmosphere?

    Of course these are just my opinions.

    As for asking the spirits to make contact, thats one way but sometimes i just like to "think" to them or anyone who's around.

    External mics are good or digital cos you dont pick up the sounds of the internal workings of the recorder.

    i dont think anything i do is brave as i genuinely dont believe spirits would or could hurt us. I mean when i die not only do i think i wouldnt hang around a graveyard, i also dont think i'd go around chucking knifes at people or pushing them down stairs ;)


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