Shock New York victory presents new problems

Dub13

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/05/21/story259773.html

New York 1-18 Derry 1-12

Next month’s Ulster SHC final could be in some doubt after New York battled to a surprise win over Derry at Gaelic Park tonight.

Monty Moloney’s side earned a six-point semi-final win thanks mainly to Michael ‘Bonny’ Kennedy’s second half goal.

It is understood that New York may not travel to the June 4 final against Antrim due to visa problems some of their players may encounter on re-entering the United States.

Gary Biggs goaled for Derry, who led by two points at the break. However Kennedy, an All-Ireland medalist with the Tipperary minors, struck the decisive blow for the Exiles.

solskjaer20

Yeah new problems alright, ie how can we go from shoul've been in an all-Ireland final five years ago to being beat by New York? Thats the problem.

Ok so I think we only had about four starters due to injuries, suspensions and exams, but still.....New York??

Also I hear a month ago NY were 1/33 to win and this week you coud've got 2/5 on them.

FatherTed

Why do New York bother even playing in the All-Ireland Championship if they are not going to travel to Ireland?

Dub13

FatherTed wrote:

Why do New York bother even playing in the All-Ireland Championship if they are not going to travel to Ireland?

I don't think they even conceded that they may win.

solskjaer20

Obviously meant to say Derry were 1/33 to win and then 2/5.

Have since been informed that they were 4/7 yesterday.

mchurl

bit of a dilemma for the GAA now and an embarassment as well. How bad PR wise would it be for the GAA and hurling if Antrim win the Ulster title by default?

Sgt Slaughter

Dont know where all the shock is coming from to be honest. New York should have beaten Antrim last year, and they are the only decent hurling county in Ulster. That match went to extra time and Ny had 2 players sent off. Surely this scenario must have been though out by the big wigs in the GAA, it was always a possibility that NY could win a match and that they wouldnt be able to make it to Ireland. The final will be played in Gaelic Park, New York or some other neutral ground somewhere in one of the 50 states anything else would make the GAA look like a joke, Antrim should have what it takes to go to the states and beat NY.

solskjaer20

Takes a lot mof organising (and money) to take a team to New York at such short notice.

Waylander

Not to mention loss of Revenue to Ulster Council, as froma gates point of view this will hit them.

mchurl

Why would Antrim decide to travel to America at great cost to themselvesand on such short notice, and also give up home advnatage as the final is normally played on Casement Park afaik? It would also pose problems for them as well as im sure not all of their players would be able to travel due to work commitments etc. , so then we would just have Antrim in New Yorks place of not ebing able to field a full team.

Dub13

They should let the Dubs play in New York jerseys,our lads will be free for a while after that dismal display yesterday.

FatherTed

Sgt Slaughter wrote:

Dont know where all the shock is coming from to be honest. New York should have beaten Antrim last year, and they are the only decent hurling county in Ulster. That match went to extra time and Ny had 2 players sent off. Surely this scenario must have been though out by the big wigs in the GAA, it was always a possibility that NY could win a match and that they wouldnt be able to make it to Ireland. The final will be played in Gaelic Park, New York or some other neutral ground somewhere in one of the 50 states anything else would make the GAA look like a joke, Antrim should have what it takes to go to the states and beat NY.

But what if NY then beats Antrim? Then what?

gerire

Well even if Antrim win they have already said that they wont be entering the All Ireland series and want to play the Christy Ring no matter what happens.

So the basic situation it appear is that there is a load of illegal immigrants playing for New York who also I doubt would be able to afford to send a team to Ireland on such short notice and its the same for Antrim. How they will solve this one I dont know. Maybe the gaa money bags will have to be hit for this

Waylander

Well, to be honest, eveen if the Ulster final was played over there and New York won, the next round would have to be held over there as New York would still have the same problem. I think it is harsh, but they should not be allowed to enter the championship unless they are prepared to travel.

Sgt Slaughter

As far as i am aware it is the New York GAA who pay lock stock for the team to come out and play in Ny so i assume theyd have to cough up again. As for if they beat Antrim, my that would make hurling in Ulster look ridiculous, theres only like 5 or 6 hurling teams in Ny/Nj and Connecticut and only 3 of them are even half decent.

And what if they win the final, does it mean anything? The teams from the All Ireland comp are already there so i dont think (not sure here) that if Ny win the final they will be playing anymore matches anyway will they, or will they go into one of the other cups (doubt it)

Imposter

I was under the impression that Antrim were relegated from the Liam McCarthy last year so they can only play Christy Ring!

As for the 6 clubs in new york thing Antrim don't have a huge amount of clubs either (same with all ulster teams).

As regards the illegal immigrants that's not a good one for the GAA and it'll be interesting to see what's done!

mchurl

Heard on the radio that the Ulster Council wont be backing down with regards to their stance on the Ulster Final, i.e. they wont be cancelling it. So it looks like the ball is in New Yorks court.

Waylander

I don't think they can. Antrim are scheduled to play in the Christy Ring cup the week after the Ulster final as far as I know.

The Rooster

Imposter wrote:

I was under the impression that Antrim were relegated from the Liam McCarthy last year so they can only play Christy Ring!

There is a kinda back door into the Liam McCarthy Cup. Even if you were relegated the previous year, you can get into it by winning your provinicial championship. Antrim decided that they'd be better off trying to win the Christy Ring instead even if they win Ulster (as gerire said)

stevemac

there is no real hurry to play the game in reality, no matter who wins, this game will not lead to any further games for either team as antrim in the christy cup and that won't be affected by the ulster championship and newyork won't be playing another game. so they put it off for as long as they want.

Glenbhoy

Also I hear a month ago NY were 1/33 to win and this week you coud've got 2/5 on them.

New York were always underdogs for this game - they should'nt have been as Derry travelled without 7/8 of their best players (mainly because Derry could'nt care less about winning Ulster now that it takes you nowhere, and they've already shown their disdain for the Ring/Rackard cup bull****).
The actual odds were:
Tuesday prior to game - NY 3/1 Derry 1/3
Thursday prior to game - NY 6/4 Derry 4/6
Saturday prior to game - NY 11/10 Derry 4/5
Sunday afternoon - as above
Prior to throw-in 8.00pm Irish time NY 4/5 Derry 6/4 (by this stage it was clear to everyone, how weak the Derry side were).

solskjaer20

Hmmm your initials arn't SM by any chance?

singingstranger

Seems like the best place to put this query: if there's supposedly an allowance made for the winners of the Ulster SHC to compete for the McCarthy Cup, how does it come in?

One assumes that they get knocked into one of the qualifier groups to get a chance at making the Quarter Finals but would they displace a team already in it or would one group then just contain five teams instead of four? If they displace a team it's far too late for the 'relegated' team to start competing in the Christy Ring Cup, and if the Ulster team performs badly in a group the relegation system gets very complicated.

Does anyone know if there's a plan for this sort of thing or will it only be drafted if needed?