Faces of the Fallen in Iraq

SpAcEd OuT

Check it out
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/

I've just spent the past hour browsing through this site, pretty intresting although quite sad, it gives details of how they died, where they died and what operation they were on if they were on one

jimmycrackcorm

From what I read, the most dangerous place to be in Iraq is anywhere near a humvee... :eek:

Dave!

that's a brilliant site...

Fast_Mover

so many young people..

kirving

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

From what I read, the most dangerous place to be in Iraq is anywhere near a humvee... :eek:

I was watching a program on discovey (i thnk it was), and it said that "no americans have been killed while in a hummvee" or similar. I dont know when the program was made but i imagine that there must have been americans killed in humvee's in the first gulf war.

impr0v

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

From what I read, the most dangerous place to be in Iraq is anywhere near a humvee... :eek:

It also seems that, aswell as 'you're safer inside the humvee', a continuing professional development course on 'why makeshift bombs can still as dangerous as real ones' is needed.

Flukey

They should never have been in Iraq in the first place. They should be all alive.

spurious

Many of them are only kids.
What a waste.:(

Hagar

Do the Iraqi dead not count?

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

to repeat, but it really is a sad website. such youth being sent out by old fools who refused to fight when they were the same youthful age.

Boston

Hagar wrote:

Do the Iraqi dead not count?

Thats What I was thinking. As for the humvee thing, its like saying you're safer inside a card bord box, light armor, their little mor ethen a jeep.

Ozzy

Safer inside a humvee? I don't think so. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/dates/2006/apr/15/pablo-v-mayorga/

Anyone ever see 'Black Hawk Down' where the convoy is driving through the middle of Mogadishu getting peppered out of it with bullets?
"Man that .50 calibre turret on the roof of this humvee!"

Like fck I will!!

ferdi

i wonder will they set up a site with pictures of all the iraqi civilians killed during Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Terry

ferdi wrote:

i wonder will they set up a site with pictures of all the iraqi civilians killed during Operation Iraqi Freedom?

i thought it was "Operation Iraqi Liberation.
anyway, it is terrible to see those young men killed because they believed the false propagande put forth by their leader and his cronies, but i too would like to see the tens of thousands of iraqi's (many of them civilians) who were killed in this illegal war commemorated in the same way.

Capt'n Midnight

They are missing a lot. Standard procedure is to get the wounded out of the country asap. Those who die later in Germany/elsewhere don't tend to get listed.

2,708 Total Fatalities

Operation Iraqi Freedom: 2,416
Operation Enduring Freedom: 292

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3962969.stm

Before the invasion, most people died as a result of heart attack, stroke and chronic illness, the report says, whereas after the invasion, "violence was the primary cause of death".

Violent deaths were mainly attributed to coalition forces - and most individuals reportedly killed were women and children.

Dr Les Roberts, who led the study, said: "Making conservative assumptions we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Gosh

spurious wrote:

Many of them are only kids.

Over 1500 were aged 25 or less - a tragic loss

Manic Moran

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

They are missing a lot. Standard procedure is to get the wounded out of the country asap. Those who die later in Germany/elsewhere don't tend to get listed.

Categorically untrue. Any troop who dies as a result of injuries sustained in Iraq, even if it's in Germany or the UK, is counted in the oft-quoted number of 'Killed in Iraq'. Indeed, even those who die in accidents such as vehicle collisions, negligent discharges or even just natural causes like heart attacks are counted.

Dr Les Roberts, who led the study, said: "Making conservative assumptions we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Not minimizing the suffering of people related to those who have been killed, but the best estimate right now is somewhere around 40,000. The Lancet Report has been since considered to be a bit pessimistic.
Try http://www.iraqbodycount.org. Somewhere on there is also a table of 'cause of death', of which about 2% are attributed to Coalition forces.

As time progresses, a greater number of the Hummers are armoured, but ultimately if you use a big enough bomb, all the armour in the world won't help you: They've killed two M1 tanks which are about as heavily armoured as they come.

NTM

Ruu_Old

Flukey wrote:

They should never have been in Iraq in the first place. They should be all alive.

Agreed.

Hagar

Doesn't "fallen" sound so prosaic?
Why not call it "shot to death or blown apart and died in screaming agony"?
At least it would be honest and might make people think twice before getting involved again.

dubtom

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

They are missing a lot. Standard procedure is to get the wounded out of the country asap. Those who die later in Germany/elsewhere don't tend to get listed.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3962969.stm

That 292 figure is crap. Take a look at the dates on the picture list on the main page, those 100 died between end of april and May,2006,one month.

MrJoeSoap

Hagar wrote:

At least it would be honest and might make people think twice before getting involved again.

Yes of course, but thats hardly what they want is it?

Manic Moran

dubtom wrote:

That 292 figure is crap. Take a look at the dates on the picture list on the main page, those 100 died between end of april and May,2006,one month.

No, it sounds about right. As of today, the KIA figures for OEF since the start of operations in October 2001 are 296 US and 82 Other Coalition.

http://icasualties.org/oef/

NTM